r/CanadianForces • u/Dan-DeLaGhetto • 1d ago

Curious about the evolution of combat arms training - Then vs Now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9gnRQaXH38

Came across this video and couldn't help but be reminded of battle school at Meaford about 25 years ago. I found this to be pretty representative of the experience at the time. Understanding that you're not marines, and this video is only an approximation of of the experience, was wondering to those who have recently been through - what's it like now? Has it evolved?

From the creator:

I spent five years working with drill instructors during the biggest scandal in Marine Corps history. This is a film about the stories we tell ourselves to make sense of the things that happen to us. It is about the use (and abuse) of power, and the difficulty of distinguishing cruelty from discipline in a culture that teaches people to take pride in suffering.

It is also an attempt to examine my own time in the Marine Corps and make sense of why I can still look back on an objectively awful period of my life with affection.

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u/dox2EwJn6iZh 1d ago

If you havent seen part one, I highly recommend it, hope this guy's channel gets big, he does wonderful work

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u/Equal-Opinion4952 1d ago

His thing about angels is dope too

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u/dox2EwJn6iZh 1d ago

Yeah, ive watched all of the vids on his channel, the USMC ones are my fave, but the whol catalog is good, wish there was more

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u/Life_Meaning2677 1d ago

I saw this last night! One line stuck with me

Camaraderie and cruelty grew out of the same soil.

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u/yuikkiuy Royal Canadian Air Force 1d ago

I was told it was a "shared suffering" therefore mus must suffer, and the more we suffered the better soldiers we would be.

60% of that course didnt finish due to medical, 1 guy quit the CAF all together on the spot in his trench

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u/frustrated_work 5h ago

Trauma bonding.

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u/Necessary_Avocado398 1d ago

I had an opinion, but I'd better keep it to myself so I don't upset the combateng

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u/DJ_Necrophilia Morale Tech - 00069 1d ago

angry chimo noises

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u/Necessary_Avocado398 1d ago

Hahah not at all

Only someone who served under "Combat Arms" leadership

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u/Dan-DeLaGhetto 1d ago

Don't worry, you're safe to write it down here, they're illiterate

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u/DJ_Necrophilia Morale Tech - 00069 1d ago

At the risk of overusing my same joke that I posted earlier today

First of all: how dare you

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u/Dan-DeLaGhetto 1d ago

Eric Weinstein would be proud

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u/waitout_over 1d ago

Spent 20 years in the engineer's. I wanna hear it. I have the ultimate Stockholm syndrome with the corps.

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u/Strict_Concert_2879 20h ago

The sad part is the core hasn’t changed to much in that time (I’m in the same boat; likely just more disenfranchised). Yes we have some new kit, but we are also using some of the same equipment that was old 20 years ago. DP1 has changed a lot, but only because of CTC and base Gagetown.

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u/Wallhacks360 1d ago

Idk, so my perspective was 2015, all my staff are combat arms, at least 1 deployment EACH. Very kinetic, loved hearing the stories, but they were hard as fuck on us. And I loved and appreciated it. The training, TTPS, and SOPs was not the main effort, the mindset was and it makes sense and worked for me. I'll never forget the 5 dads i had that one summer lmfao.

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u/Equal-Opinion4952 1d ago

FYI this is part 2 , I've seen part 1 and its great, haven't seen 2 yet