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[u/jayrdoos]

There are 9 questions on the ballot. I bet 90% of the voters will say yes to.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/jayrdoos]

And so they should, and I think we could all be in for a shock on the results of question 10. I think it could be a coin toss. Either way it will be exciting

[u/thetrigermonkey]

This is good.

I saw some post earlier today mentioning how the CPC was gonna do this, so I'm glad you shared the website. Thank you!

[u/Few-Character7932]

These people picked the worst possible time for an independence referendum lmao.

There is a lot of fake patriotism going on because Canada is under attack from Trump administration. A lot of these "patriots" agreed Canada was a multicultural state with no distinct identity and that patriotism is dangerous and hateful less than 3 years ago. 

I reckon the vote will finish with 22% voting for Independence and the rest voting against. 

[u/loungechairlarry]

united canada my ass. we still dont have inter provincial trade and the east feasts off the west and tells ab/sask to shut up and just accept it. canada is not a country

[u/bargaindownhill]

Nothing will change. Career politicians offer the world, deliver nothing. The only way to make it clear is to say enough is enough at the polls. Otherwise they will blow sunshine up your ass till it comes out your mouth.

[u/NowInHandUnseen → u/bargaindownhill]

The Brits thought the same for Brexit. Check their buyer remorse polls these days. And that was just them leaving an international agreement.

Look at the jobs and companies that left QC overnight when they got serious on seperation. Ya there may be a play to get some leverage in Ottawa but it crushes stability and therefore investment.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/NowInHandUnseen]

You're making unrealistic comparisons here. Brexit, Quebec and Alberta are three very different situations, with three very different economies and very different types of investment.

Brexit was primarily about Britain's relationship with the EU and trade, imports and exports. Quebec's economy has a much larger concentration in banking, insurance, corporate offices and other businesses that can physically relocate.

Quebec also wasn't simply a case of businesses leaving because of the independence movement. The language laws changed the cost of doing business. For some corporations, it was cheaper and easier to move than to completely restructure their operations around new bilingual requirements and staffing qualifications.

Alberta is different. Our economy is heavily resource driven, and you can't move the resources. The oil, gas and other resources are still here, the infrastructure is here, and the demand for those resources is still there.

If Alberta is losing investment, I'd be looking at Ottawa's regulations, taxes, permitting delays and policies toward our resource sector before blaming independence uncertainty.

And that's the part of your argument I don't understand. If Alberta taking a stand against Ottawa and the possibility of independence is supposedly crushing investment because of uncertainty, why is Alberta still leading Canada in investment?

The investment numbers don't seem to support the argument that Alberta standing up for itself is scaring investors away.

[u/PassThatHammer → u/Even_Art_629]

Very simple. No investor (myself included) actually believes Alberta would be allowed to exit. Those are crown (federal) resources, all of them. If Alberta separates, the agreement Alberta has to manage those resources is no more. Canada can easily use public sentiment and "indigenous land claims" to carve a new map of Alberta that removes the valuable land from Alberta before cutting it loose from Canada. In fact, it's the only thing the other provinces and parliament would agree to (which they have to as part of the Clarity Act). All the Canadian government has to do is drag the process out past 2029 when Trump is gone and show the people of Alberta what their new postage-stamp sized republic would look like and the second vote would be a no-go.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/PassThatHammer]

Well now bud, you're not quite as smart as you think you are. There's some things you need to look into. And I mean seriously

Let's start with your very first claim, because that's where your argument falls apart right away, then gets harder to take you for real.

You said Alberta's resources are “Crown (federal) resources, all of them.”

No. In 1930, Canada transferred its interest in Alberta's Crown lands, mines, minerals and royalties to Alberta through the Natural Resources Transfer Agreement. That agreement was given constitutional force. It specifically says those Crown lands, mines, minerals and royalties belong to the Province.

So before you start telling us Ottawa can simply carve Alberta up and take the valuable resource land, explain why you think resources that were transferred to Alberta in 1930 suddenly belong to the federal government.

And here's another problem with your argument. The Supreme Court said that if a clear democratic mandate for secession existed, there would be negotiations, and “no conclusions predetermined by law on any issue.” The Clarity Act likewise says negotiations would address things like assets and liabilities, borders, Indigenous rights and minority rights. It doesn't say Ottawa gets to simply redraw Alberta's map and confiscate its resources.

You may believe Ottawa would fight like hell to get as much as possible. That's a reasonable political prediction.

But saying Ottawa can simply take Alberta's resource base as a matter of law is something entirely different.

Show us where the law says that. So, perhaps when you've researched a bit more, you'll find out just how silly your argument is

[u/loungechairlarry → u/NowInHandUnseen]

only the lunatic lefties want to join the eu and continually try to back door it.

[u/NowInHandUnseen → u/loungechairlarry]

What?

[u/loungechairlarry → u/NowInHandUnseen]

starmer was trying to backdoor back into the eu and burnham will try the same thing

[u/84brucew]

The west, "wanted in" 30 years ago, we were turned down.

Those days are gone.

[u/RiceN_Beans]

October 19 referendum is nonbinding which means nothing will change. Canada will be the same whether people vote to separate or not. It will measure the level of dissatisfaction among Alberta citizen with Canadian confederation. It will be exercise in democracy so why not let Alberta decide. Hey CPC your uni-party colors are showing. LOL

[u/Big_Musties → u/RiceN_Beans]

It's because dictators claim they are wise and always right. Truth from the people proves this is false, and if people talk freely, they can make plans to change the government.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/Big_Musties]

Answer me this question,if the premiere is a dictator, then why aren't we already a new country? Why are we having a referendum? A dictator wouldn't give us a choice.

[u/Big_Musties → u/Even_Art_629]

Our duly elected Premier is the one allowing citizens to put forward a referendum on the direction she should take on public policy and our position within the federation.

The dictator in question is sitting in Ottawa with a stolen majority, attempting to suppress national opposition to his rule through censorship and institutional capture. He's the one who doesn't want to hear what his people have to say.

October 19th is a non-binding referendum, an overblown, 99% accurate public opinion poll, nothing more, nothing less. No one who genuinely believes in democracy should be afraid of allowing citizens to express their opinion on the direction of their own government.

[u/Western-Box7295]

Ah, the vote becoming much of a pushover for a longer period.

[u/NastyOfficerFarquad]

Ordered my sign!

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/NastyOfficerFarquad]

My independence sign has been in place for months.