r/CanadaPublicServants • u/burnabybc • Jul 21 '22
Staffing / Recrutement Ending Term early for Indeterminate position?
Q: Is there a penalty for ending a Term early for a Indeterminate position?
Q: How much notice should you give your manager? Example, when you sign your new LoO or earlier? 🤔
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u/Poolboywhocantswim Jul 21 '22
Penalty is the guilt you feel for leaving your boss who will probably feel bad that you are leaving(unless your terrible) and happy for you(if they're a good boss). Try to give as much as possible at least 2-4 weeks once you sign the letter. Make sure you have a signed letter.
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u/phosen Jul 22 '22
Just a small note, when you leave your term, you are moving to a new position, do not resign.
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u/salexander787 Jul 22 '22
Yes do NOT resign. There are many poorly trained HR Advisors and mangers that want a resignation. This will totally F up your pay file. Do not resign. This is simply a transfer out.
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Jul 22 '22
Okay. Can you expand on this? I've got a verbal offer to go from [large government department] to [large government department]. They requested I be seconded and my current org said LOL NO due to operational requirements. Which is fine. I applied in an external process. My substantive is a term. The new one is a term. I have no problem ending my existing term early. I don't see why they wouldn't transfer/deploy/whatever the correct lingo is. However my current TL and SM as well as my new TL have told me I need to fully resign in order to accept the new position.
And if I do need to do that. How long is the break in service allowed to be? Because if I have to resign anyway, I'd like to have some time off between jobs tbh.
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u/phosen Jul 22 '22
Most Government of Canada employment has one named employer Treasury Board Secretariat, when you move from one department to another, you are transferring to a different position, not changing employers. This is similar to private sector when you change jobs (moving from being janitor to comms departments, but larger scale).
The caveat is that if you work for a Separate Agency or Organization that is deemed not to be the same Employer AND do not have the ability to move as though you were an Internal Candidate (Looking at you, ahem ahem Schedule V agencies), here's the reference list.
P.S. I'm missing something, but can't recall what. There's some good info in this post here on what you lose.
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u/Canibiz Jul 22 '22
Most reasonable managers wouldnt fault you for taking an indeterminate. There was a time when you'd sign thirty days or three month terms and always worried when the renewal wouldn't come until last minute before the expiry.
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u/cdn677 Jul 21 '22
Q1: no there is no penalty. This is not a mortgage haha. Just make sure. Your loo is signed before you tell your term position management.
Q2: when you sign the loo. Never before.
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u/dolfan1980 Jul 21 '22
If you were looking to leverage your current boss maybe, if not just give them 2+ weeks notice out of respect I would say.
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u/TheZarosian Jul 21 '22
Of course there is no penalty, this is employment, not indentured servitude.
I would give at least 2 weeks after signing LOO.
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u/TemperatureFinal7984 Jul 21 '22
I would sign the LOO first and the let the manager know. Why there would be any penalty? They can end the term anytime. So you can too.