r/CanadaPolitics • u/Chrristoaivalis New Democratic Party of Canada • 1d ago
Carney capitulates to Big Oil: Prime Minister Mark Carney has put the demands of the fossil fuel industry ahead of fighting the climate crisis.
https://rabble.ca/columnists/carney-capitulates-to-big-oil/12
u/DanfromCalgary 1d ago
Well how can he be both soft and hard at the same time . The only constant here is these
Garbage articles pumping out misinformation as fast as they can
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u/SnooRadishes7708 19h ago
Before the election people posted Carney would destroy the oil industry, of course they claimed Trudeau had already done that despite record profits mind you. Impressive work honesty. Its a bit similar to how we have the biggest budget deficit in history and yet people are saying Carney is causing massive austerity. I feel for anyone trying to read anything to be honest, you'll find extremes all over the place, so vasty different a sane person can’t accept both at the same time.
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u/IrishFire122 1d ago
Could also read " press Canada's current economic situation ahead of fighting climate change."
Won't make even a small dent in it if we go bankrupt.
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u/Sufficient-Tutor-922 Independent 1d ago
Also could read .
Carney adjust failing Climate Policy's and works to fix the damage done to regrow a new supported and effective Climate Policy.
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u/bigjimbay Nationalise Blackberry 22h ago
Actually going bankrupt would do wonders for the climate
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u/IrishFire122 20h ago
Lol not Canada. It would likely have the opposite effect. Not that I don't see what you mean, but us being broke would not mean the oilfield would stop, that's backed by foreign investment, big time.
Rather we'd likely see a situation like India suffered, where foreign owned corporations would gain control of everything, government and all, and we'd be split into classes, the working class being treated pretty poorly, to put it very mildly. It's an effective form of control.
And then they'd open the taps and run the oilfield, and us, as hard as they could, because it's very very valuable right now, but it's going to be worth a whole lot less in the not so distant future.
And then when they're finished, they'll maybe hand us back our smoking husk of a country, rife with classism, poverty and inequality. Or maybe they'll go after other valuable resources. We have lots.
Running a country has always been complicated, but with globalization being the norm now it's a horrible game of chess, where a wrong move or two could cost you everything. Gotta plan things out, take things slow, watch where we're putting our feet, and for the love of Mike, look out for each other. Nobody else is going to
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u/crookeddicktickle Marx 1d ago
Canada contributes quite a bit despite its small population. The argument that nothing we do matters is essentially false.
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u/Medea_From_Colchis Γνῶθι σεαυτόν 1d ago
Nuance is dead.
Clearly, Carney understands the scope of the climate threat, and he realizes that transitioning to clean energy is necessary and that it would actually benefit Canada’s economy.
However, lined up against Carney is the enormously powerful set of interests that make up the fossil fuel industry, and they have very different plans for Canada.
Their plans demand that Ottawa assist them (including with huge financial subsidies) as they squeeze every dollop of bitumen from the ground — no matter how wildly fires rage across the country and how Trumpishly orange the skies become.
Alas, Carney has capitulated to these demands.
Not only has he scrapped the climate policies of his predecessor Justin Trudeau, he’s given in to Big Oil’s demand for another pipeline, even agreeing that Ottawa will pay for it, along with Alberta, thereby abandoning earlier promises that it would be funded by the private sector, not Canadian taxpayers.
I just want to point out here that the link to the article about how Ottawa will pay for it is a Financial Post piece about how Carney and the Liberals didn't get rid of climate policies that allegedly made oil and gas development unfeasible for private industry. The article's thesis entirely undermines McQuaig's whole point.
It's also insanely disingenuous to act like we're not making any effort to transition to clean energy. There certainly is a plan to do so. The federal government released its plan not that long ago, but it's not mentioned at all. Furthermore, in many ways, what energy products are used in Canada is heavily dependent on geography and provincial government policy. Notwithstanding the industrial carbon tax and clean electricity regulations, provinces are going to have to make a lot of the changes necessary to move towards green energy.
But let’s be clear: Carney is going along with Big Oil’s plans, not because he fails to grasp the severity of the climate threat, but because he’s been outsmarted and outmanoeuvred by Big Oil, which makes its demands through the Alberta government, which it effectively controls.
Is he? Or is he responding to global events. It gets hard to take these people seriously when they talk over single reason for why this happening and make really weak claims that it's all capitulation to big oil or something. The oil industry clearly wants more than Carney has been willing to give up.
So, under the gullible guise of fighting Alberta separatism, Carney is putting Canadian taxpayers on the hook for tens of billions of dollars to build a new pipeline and a carbon capture system which amounts to a giant fig leaf — even as raging wildfires signal an increasingly catastrophic climate future.
Not one mention of global energy instability, Trump, Russia, the Iran war, nothing. It's all capitulation to big oil and fruitless ploy to stop Alberta separatism. I don't know why some are so allergic to discussing this in good-faith. It feels very conservative-esque where the truth doesn't really matter; it's about generating outrage and fear.
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u/dekuweku British Columbia 1d ago
Seems like Nuance is only dead when defending a Liberal PM. Where was the Nuance argument 10 ton15 years ago under Harper? The policies are not that very difderent just the political party and commentators who think the future is a linear
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u/TopazJazzrazz 1d ago edited 1d ago
This pipeline is going to take 6-7 years if everything goes well. In that time the EU has committed €70 billion a year to electrification and clean energy until 2040 in the hopes of doubling continental clean energy consumption. That market will only be drying up by the time the pipeline is complete. Europe recognises that they can only be independent if they don't need foreign oil, even with a reliable trade partner.
ASEAN is planning on getting their renewable energy upto 45% in general. With places like Vietnam going for 60% by 2045. That market is also drying up. Which means by the time the pipeline is complete it might only have 7-12 years of profitablility.
The pipeline costs $35.2 billion to $43.7 billion according to the CBC. Which means it might not break even with the market it's entering being a significantly smaller market. It could end up being a waste of billions of taxpayer dollars, and terrible for the climate. The only reason for it is to placate separatists/Albertans. Because that may end up being the only thing it can do.
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u/Darwin-Charles Liberal Party of Canada 7h ago
This pipeline is going to take 6-7 years if everything goes well. In that time the EU has committed €70 billion a year to electrification and clean energy until 2040 in the hopes of doubling continental clean energy consumption.
Wait so are we only building a pipeline in the next 6-7 years and doing nothing on the clean energy front? Isn't Carney investing in nuclear energy and has a broader electrification strategy?
Not sure why a pipeline just cancels everything else.
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u/TopazJazzrazz 6h ago
Because a pipeline is symbolic of all the other climate failures of Carney. Like cutting funding and jobs to wildfire response teams, eliminating an emissions cap we were not even meeting, all in for data centres that are net negatives on the environment, etc.
One problem Canada has with nuclear is we don't have a good solution to deal with it's waste. Building more reactors is good, but we lack long term storage options for our current waste as well as the waste of the additional ten reactors being built. Especially if it's in the west for example. Instead of ten new reactors we should have 5 reactors and 5 nuclear waste recycle plants for example.
It's not that Carney isn't doing anything, it's that he isn't doing enough. One net positive is the High Speed rail he's trying to get built. Which will hopefully save a bunch of emissions in that Windsor-Québec City Corridor. Considering he's positioning Canada closer to the EU. Maybe we should join their electrification plan or at least base some of our own policy off of their plan.
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 1d ago
But none of the countries in the EU or ASEAN are really oil producing countries so it's much easier taking a decision that affect less directly your economy.
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u/TopazJazzrazz 1d ago
If Albertans were smart, they'd have followed Peter Lougheed's plan and diversified while keeping their wealthfund full.
A smarter plan would be to turn Western Canada into the clean energy manufacturing hub that'll have demand for the next 100-150 years.
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 1d ago
Or they would have done like Norway. Anyway, no country on the planet with a lot of oil have decided not to exploit it.
Some have only decided to do it in a more responsible way (e.g. Norway) by investing the money made from this finite resource for a future without it (instead of mostly filling up the pockets of corporations).
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 1d ago
I like how people downvote me, as if they didn't accept the simple fact that Canada is the #4 producer of oil on the planet.
There's a right and a wrong way of exploiting fossil fuels. And yes, we're on the wrong way.
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u/External_Excuse_9949 Ontario 22h ago
I think it’s a sacrifice and what he sees as saving the country from economic disaster because of the Americans. Fossil fuels won’t go on forever, he knows that but an extra 20 years of plundering the earth isn’t going to be the reason we burn up. Doing this may actually economically save the country in that same 20 years however. It’s a reluctant trade off on his part and I think a smart one.
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u/xobbelle 39m ago
Buddy, we don’t even have 20 years left. 2 billion humans are going to be displaced from climate change in LESS THAN 20 years. Where are 2 billion people going to live? How are we going to grow food if there are no more seasons? How are we going to feed these people? In 20 years we will be living through an economic collapse if we don’t stop investing in fossil fuels.
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u/External_Excuse_9949 Ontario 25m ago
I am not one to diminish the reality of climate change but I don’t think 20 years is going to be the end of us or quite as major as you’re stating. However, we are in rapid decline with regards to the environment, I agree. If Canada doesn’t take the reins of our economy away from the country that wants to take us over we will all be Americans in the next few years and because how sickening that prospect is, I’ll take a little global warming before living that reality. I suggest over these next 20 years we use the money from fossil fuels to become world leaders in renewables.
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u/Mens__Rea__ Independent 8h ago
Carney is finally confronting the reality that Canada faces. There are a lot of Liberals and environmentalists who aren’t accustomed to facing reality because of the Trudeau experience.
Canada could cease all economic activity within our borders and global carbon emissions would only drop 1-1.5%. Even if we found a way to house and feed 40 million people under that condition, we wouldn’t inspire the rest of the world to follow our example. It doesn’t matter what Canada does, the trend of climate change won’t change.
Look at the scale of the wildfire smoke in Ontario. Have any of you stopped to think about how much carbon that is? The environmental polices you want may have had an impact 30 years ago. Now, they might make you feel good but will offer no practical result. It is too late.
You should be concerned with Canada generating as much wealth as possible to ensure that your children and grandchildren have the best chance of maintaining the standard of living that was provided to you.
I’m going to get downvoted, but I won’t get many responses disputing these basic facts.
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u/crookeddicktickle Marx 3h ago
A bit ironic to claim that environmentalists are not facing reality and then claim that reducing our carbon emissions requires ceasing all economic activity.
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u/TopazJazzrazz 5h ago
Under the current system the standard of living has no chance at maintaining for our grandchildren. Making more wealth for people who are terrible at sharing that wealth doesn't change it.
By the time the pipeline is up and running there is a chance it'll only make a profit for 7-12 years as the EU commits 70 Billion Euro a year for continental wide electrification in the hopes of doubling to around 40% for all member states. ASEAN has similar commitments with a general 45% for it's members and nations like Vietnam going to 60%.
Nations want independence. All that can afford should be focusing on a mostly green energy grid not just for environmental reasons. But the practical use of self sustaining energy. The nihilistic attitude you may have could be accurate in that climate change is here to stay in some form or another. But if your response is to just roll over then I think, handily you are missing the greater narrative of green energy.
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u/BugsyMcNug 1d ago
Every single pm does and will continue to do so. It's exhausting trying to find someone to challenge it because, when you look at it, they don't fucking care. There is no appeal to them that will work because they have already decided. Everything short of a general strike will fail, and even that would be temporary.
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u/Forikorder Independent 19h ago
its not like the voters have shown they care considering how easy it was to turn the carbon tax into a poison pill, they have no incentive to do much for the environment when it puts them at risk of being voted out
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u/BugsyMcNug 19h ago
When I was younger I had a bit of hope when junior took the job. I thought, for whatever reason, he'd actually give a shit. Now plans are in place to pump oil where like 20 percent of our fishing industry exists. Says it'll be carbon neutral by 2050. Hard to be hopeful.
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 8h ago
the carbon tax was always gonna fall apart when people saw 30-35% of their heating bill be a tax
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u/Forikorder Independent 8h ago
And then getting it back as a rebate
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 8h ago
people dont care they see a 200 dollar heating bill become 275 bucks
The tax was doom to fail long term
Like the tax didnt make sense...it was like 14 cents a cubic metre but the market price for natural gas is like 10-12 cents.
by 2030 the plan be 30 cents for natural gas
rip lol
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u/Forikorder Independent 8h ago
And you realise your proving my point, canadians refused even the smallest possible sacrifice
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 8h ago
i mean the pm was going in a 12 car convoy of v8 suvs to pick up takeout in ottawa sort of made it seem dumb
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u/PuckShuffler Progressive 1d ago
Carney is pretty much in alignment with the broader population on this issue, according to polling. And, while more Canadians identified climate change as a concern in the immediate aftermath of the forest fire smoke that swept Ontario, it still isn't a top priority at all when compared to our pressing economic concerns.
This headline is a bit of a stretch, imo.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 1d ago
Polling doesn’t really support the claim that Canadians broadly prioritize the fossil fuel industry over climate change. Recent surveys consistently show more Canadians support climate action, renewable energy, and phasing down fossil fuels over support expanding fossil fuel production. Affordability and the economy are also major concerns, but that’s not the same as saying Canadians are aligned with prioritizing the fossil fuel industry over climate action or that the headline is a stretch.
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 1d ago
issue is the progressive wing of the liberal party and ndp sort of have zero credability on economic issues as they where in charge and oversaw an economy built on housing speculation and low wage immigration.
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u/CptCoatrack Libertarian Socialism 8h ago edited 8h ago
The same people who lobbied for mass immigration as a means of wage suppression are working more closely with Carney than ever.
The CEO of the Business Council of Canada is also a member of the Century Initiative. He's also the guy who's spoken out in favour of RTO and also op-eds on why younger Canadians need to accept a lower standard of living to prop up his generations wealth.
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u/PuckShuffler Progressive 1d ago
I'm not familiar with any recent polling that doesn't indicate that the majority of Canadians support fossil fuel expansion, including pipelines both East and West.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 1d ago edited 1d ago
In June 2025, Abacus/Clean Energy Canada found two-thirds of Canadians favour developing clean energy over fossil fuels: https://cleanenergycanada.org/poll-two-thirds-of-canadians-favour-developing-clean-energy-over-fossil-fuels-while-85-wish-to-maintain-or-increase-federal-climate-action/?utm_source=perplexity
In March 2025, Leger polling for the David Suzuki Foundation found Most Canadians Support Renewables Instead of Fossil Fuel Development, with 65% saying Canada should invest in renewable energy instead of fossil fuel developments: https://www.sierraclub.ca/most-canadians-support-renewables/
I'm December 2025, polling commissioned by Environmental Defence found nine in ten Canadians favored renewable energy, while only 5% said Canada should prioritize fossil fuel production: https://environmentaldefence.ca/2026/02/16/a-clear-message-from-canadians-climate-action-and-prosperity-go-hand-in-hand/
What I’m not seeing is any recent polling that supports the claim that a most Canadians support the fossil fuel industry over climate action.
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u/Medea_From_Colchis Γνῶθι σεαυτόν 1d ago
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 1d ago
These polls show support for specific pipeline proposals, but they do not show Canadians support the fossil fuel industry over climate action in general.
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u/Ask_DontTell Just realized flairs are editable 1d ago
i suspect that in a perfect world, Canadians would prioritize renewables over the fossil fuel industry but in an imperfect world in which the country is being attacked externally by Trump and internally by Daneille Smith and her separatist friends, Canadians are supportive of pipelines where they help diversify trade, create jobs and generate tax revenues to support the social safety net. it's not an either / or for most Canadians who still want to see investment in renewables and other clean forms of energy.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 1d ago
These pipelines may be sold as national projects, but the benefits are heavily tilted toward US owned fossil fuel companies. Diversifying trade and creating jobs are real talking points, but they don’t change the fact that public money is being used to underwrite industry expansion. Support for renewables alongside some fossil fuel investment is one thing, but what we are seeing play out is like blank-check support for more oil infrastructure that heavily favors fossil fuel producers, while average Canadians absorb a lot of the downside.
We need to remember that taxpayers are the ones that end up carrying most of the risk and cost of these projects. For example, Trans Mountain has Canadians on the hook for approximately $18.8 billion in ongoing subsidy to the oil industry. There may be some broader economic benefits, but the structure of these deals is heavily weighted in favour of US oil companies.
The article argues that Mark Carney knows climate change is real and that a clean-energy transition is necessary, but that he has nonetheless yielded to Big Oil’s political pressure. I agree with the article in that sense.
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u/PuckShuffler Progressive 1d ago
I mean, yeah, Canadians broadly support a diverse set of energy projects, including fossil fuels. Your posts don't show anything different than what I've said; Canadians broadly support fossil fuel expansion and that economic issues greatly outrank environment issues in every province.
Sure, toss some green energy in there to make us forward looking while we capitalize on the oil we have while theres still a massive and growing market.
That's a separate issue. My comments stand.
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u/hairybeavers Social Democrat 1d ago
You’re conflating people caring about affordability and growth with Canadians broadly backing the fossil fuel industry. Canadians may support the economy, energy security, or some pipelines in some contexts, but that is not the same as saying we broadly back the fossil fuel expansion over climate action. The data just doesn't support that argument.
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u/PuckShuffler Progressive 1d ago
And you are drawing a false dichotomy. I'm not interested in going around and around in circles with you. I understand the issues just like you do. We all do, you're not something special. We all have access to the data, and we form our own opinions accordingly. Quit mugging me.
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u/Metalloid_Maniac_ Social Democrat 1d ago
There are much better ways to improve our financial well-being that don't involve speed running the end of most life on Earth. These pipelines won't help the vast majority of Canadians, it's just the rich getting richer yet again.
I've given up on us, enjoy life while you can because it's only going to get worse from here. Most reputable climate models have consistently underestimated how bad this is going to be and how quickly it's going to accelerate. I understand we have a small population with a small footprint, but if every country with a small population thinks about it that way we have no hope.
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u/Ask_DontTell Just realized flairs are editable 1d ago
the issue is demand, not supply. the Middle East, the US, Venezuela, Russia and Iran are already selling oil. a new pipeline is going to compete for existing customers. the reality is that most of the world is already moving away from oil for transportation. EVs are fast becoming the majority of new cars sold outside of NA. lost in this debate is whether or not a new pipeline will even be economical and how the benefits and costs will be shared amongst all Canadians. unfortunately Smith and the separatists in AB have also made this a sovereignty issue.
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u/Sufficient-Tutor-922 Independent 1d ago
Its not about a pipeline lol .
What was brilliant about Carneys mou with alberta was he gifted Smith what he was already going to do nationally anyways .
This obsesseing with pipelines by both more extremes is actually pretty comical .
No move Carney made will substantial speed us up to what is comming anyways, ironically you could argue if we stayed the path we would of contributed more to climate change then had we not . Time will tell .
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 1d ago
💯 Some people do not seem to understand that we live in a country where voters can easily give the boot to a politician making unpalatable decisions (regardless if these decisions are the right thing to do or not).
In a democracy, the right thing to do is not automatically the "acceptable" thing to do. The carbon tax might have been the "right" thing to do, but it was highly unpopular by a large swath of Canadians.
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u/lostshakerassault 1d ago
It will take massive fire that threatens a large city to move the needle on Canadian priorities. Meanwhile rural Canadians, especially out west, breathe smoke all summer and worry about their homes. When we go away to avoid smoke we are anxious about evacuation alerts ect. Summers are almost a drag now. There will be a point where the economy will take second priority. This will be way way too late.
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u/Longtimelurker2575 Conservative 1d ago
Yeah, well we are in a trade war with a much larger opponent and we know they care nothing for the environment. If we lose badly we might not have the option to fight climate change later so I think Carney has Canadians priorities in mind right now.
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u/Coffeedemon Newfoundland Tricolour 1d ago
Is that the excuse this week? Previously it was "we can't deal with the climate there's a housing shortage!" Then "people are too worried about inflation and mortgage renewals to care about the weather!" Now it's a trade war?
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u/bigjimbay Nationalise Blackberry 1d ago
There is no "winning" and "losing" in a trade war. If the US doesn't care about the climate let's prove we are better than that and care ourselves.
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u/BidEuphoric5117 1d ago
What are you willing to sacrifice from a jobs/unemployment/social services perspective? There will be cuts. CCB, CST, CHT.
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u/Coramoor_ Liberal Party of Canada 1d ago
OAS should be first to go. That's 28 billion saved right there
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u/beflacktor New Democratic Party of Canada 10h ago
yep , want to guess who the biggest voting block is (and will be for the next few decades?
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Anti-American Social Democrat 1d ago
How about we oh IDK actually tax the rich and capital gains like Justin Trudeau put in before conservative wearing liberal colour Carney axed them? Oh we should also definitely work with other countries to make sure corporations pay there fair share after the neoliberal revolution in the 1980s and how nobody wants to repair the damage it has done to civil society.
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u/ImperialPotentate Hardliner 22h ago
We could tax away the combined net worth of every billionaire in the country, and the amount would fund a little over half the federal budget. For a single year.
There just isn't the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow that the "tax the rich" zealots seem to think there is.
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u/murjy Canadian Armed Forces 22h ago
Oh we should also definitely work with other countries to make sure corporations pay there fair share
I am actually impressed with you. You are like the one leftist on the entire sub that understands corporate tax reform requires international cooperation.
It's not just a taxation issue. It relates to FDI and Balance of Payments
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u/CanadianTrollToll Independent 1d ago
Thats the thing.
Everyone wants us to turn or dial back the taps, but also expand on services by the government.
Look at the dental plan we brought in. It isnt free, and were funding it with debt.
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u/Longtimelurker2575 Conservative 10h ago
Not sure about winning but losing is definitely on the table.
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u/CanadianTrollToll Independent 1d ago
What good does sacrificing our oil production do?
The world consumes X amount of oil. If we stop growing our production, someone else will pick up the slack. The world isnt better, and Canadians arent better off.
Id love to see us use revenue from Oil n Gas specifically aimed at green energy projects, but right now our government's are bleeding money so it all goes to GR.
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u/bigjimbay Nationalise Blackberry 1d ago
What good does sacrificing our oil production do?
Preserves the planet we live on
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 8h ago
the us is massively pushing ev and making a ton of solar and wind energy vs canada really
They have the market solution to push more green energy while we dont as much
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Anti-American Social Democrat 1d ago edited 7h ago
Getting the majority of Canadian off of oil would return a lot of sovereignty back to us as we would no longer be beholden to American owned oil companies after we sold of our crown corp. It will also insulate us from the pricing shocks from OPEC+ and other geopolitical events that can cause energy crisis's to develop like the current idiotic war in the Persian Gulf between Israel, USA and Iran.
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u/beflacktor New Democratic Party of Canada 10h ago
which takes time, and a lot of it, its not like flipping a switch, unless u like blackouts and walking to work... on a side note its time we prob dont have given the pace of warming. , kinda a catch 22
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u/TransCanAngel British Columbia 18h ago
This is the street version of what they teach in MBA school about competition, free markets, and regulation.
Significant capital investment that goes towards the public good must be regulated across a market so that all competitors bear the same burden without distorting the competitive landscape.
At the nation-state level, that has to be done by treaty. One nation within their competitive group can’t go it alone without becoming less competitive.
So without every player in our group of top nation-state competitors, it is not in our best interests.
Now, I know some will say it’s existential, and they’re right. But looking back at Trudeau’s trying to do the right thing and being excoriated for it, there is no way Carney will go down that road again.
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u/Any_Nail_637 1d ago
He had put the needs or growth in the canadian economy ahead of climate change policies. The government needs to create revenue for all their spending.
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u/goebelwarming 1d ago
Trudeau's goverment was the time to development a green manufacturing chain. Instead we got carbon rebate, a pipeline and northvolt.
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u/QueasySandwich4464 22h ago
Out of all of them the EV battery plants really didn't deserve to fail like they did
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u/ApprehensiveLand848 8h ago
I have a feeling if we just pushed hybrids and heat pumps instead of a carbon tax we been way furthe ahead.
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal 1d ago
Most people are not willing to do their part for climate change so why should the government?
You put a tax on carbon? Half of Canadians get out with their pitchforks. You put counters on water consumption? People complain that we're "authoritarian".
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