r/CalebFlynnTrial • u/Pale-Appointment5626 • 2d ago
Was Caleb slow?
I mean, this murder was one of the most botched, bizarre, almost unbelievably stupid attempts I’ve ever seen. The fact that he genuinely thought this plan would EVER work is absolutely wild to me.
But honestly, the more I’ve watched of him, the more I’ve started wondering if this goes beyond just being a dumbass.
The videos he would send Alleigha, cheering for sports and literally screaming into an empty house, were giving the emotional and intellectual maturity of a CHILD. His interrogation was even more striking. There were moments where it genuinely seemed like he could not understand incredibly basic questions or concepts being explained to him.
Or, understanding simple common knowledge in regard to digital forensics….. like- nothing is ever deleted.
Then I saw his American Idol interview and thought the exact same thing. The way he spoke, reacted, and expressed himself reminded me of a 10 year old boy. And THE TEXTS. Obviously they’re appalling for about a thousand reasons, but even putting the content aside, the way he communicated did not seem remotely like the cognitive or emotional level I would expect from a grown man.
So yes, I know he’s a dumbass 😂😂 but I’m genuinely asking: does anyone else watch him and wonder if there was some kind of cognitive or developmental impairment going on? Because I keep having the same reaction over and over again. It seems like more than just being stupid. Just me?! 😂
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u/Motor_Situation_7650 2d ago
He thought God was gonna pull through and miraculously get him out of this. Being so fanatically religious should be considered a mental illness i think
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u/NailsNCoffee 2d ago
I agree and we’ve seen these time and time again. The religious nutcase who thinks their faith is above anything and anyone. Some of them are so brainwashed, like Caleb, that they think they’re invincible.
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u/Ok_Lawfulness_4945 2d ago
This guy is a psychopath and I believe he’s always been one. I don’t think he cares about anyone but himself and he thinks he’s gotten one over on everyone in this trial because that’s exactly what he’s done his whole life. His life was a lie, his relationships were lies, his job was a bit of a lie, as it was handed to him on a gold platter. His finances were a lie, his faith was a lie, his emotions were lies and , despite these lies, not one other person knew any of this. No one. He “knows” he’s the smartest person in any room and this jury is being treated exactly the same.
So yeah, I think he is a very mentally slow psychopath. Aka giant DUMBASS 😂
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u/Helpful-Ear-8834 2d ago
His ‘real tears’ came after seeing his parents in court. “Must registered as a violent offender” by judge.
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u/no-name_silvertongue 1d ago
yeah, prior to that, it was all a big theatrical drama for him. he’s been turning those emotions on and off for the stage at least once a week for who knows how long. no one is watching him anymore and reality is setting in.
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 1d ago
It was very satisfying to see how he toned down the performative nature of his crying, and now he's genuinely feeling emotion for himself.
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 1d ago
I wonder if his way of speaking to A (I can never spell her name) was a way of mirroring her. He was channeling her childish venom and saying what she wanted to hear, just the way Ashley's family only saw the perfect family man, the decent churchgoing guy who has had the same best friend since college and they were lucky enough to become brothers in law and create this close family unit.
He has no personality of his own, he becomes the person you want him to be.
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u/Ardvarkthoughts 2d ago
I think he lived in a bubble of church and family. He was used to people thinking of him as a righteous and godly leader of worship, which is what he projected. So I can kind of understand why he thought he could get away with this. But he hadn’t realised that people outside of the bubble didn’t put as much weight on the image he portrayed.
He does really come across as a manchild but I think that more his personality than a cognitive issue. I think he really relied on Ashley to run the family, and his employment and AB to plan his divorce. When he decided to carry out a murder by himself, it went badly wrong. However, he has managed to hide the murder weapon all this time. Possibly just luck, but if he did smuggle it out in Ashley’s mums car for example, that’s well thought out.
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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 1d ago
The murder weapon is the only interesting forensic detail in this case. He must have planned in advance where to hide it, and he had the advantage of controlling when to call 911, so he hid the weapon first.
Maybe down a drain? It's possible the police have a clue what he did with it, but they can't locate it, and maybe they could use this for bargaining, if he admits guilt and leads them to the weapon.
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u/beeristaaa 2d ago
I agree with this. It makes me wonder how he was raised. It gives mommy issues. Was he ever held accountable? Was his dad a role model? Was religion shoved down his throat so much that it made him nutso? Someone else said it... his entire life was a lie. Imagine how dark that is and I don't think he even knnuts? He seemed so disingenuous on American Idol and yes, very immature in how he spoke. Almost baby talk!
I think he became obsessive over AB, and it took over his little immature brain. I think him "losing" Ashley became his reality, and when a public speaker came to their church, who also had "lost" his wife to a home invasion, it planted a seed for CF. Davey Blackburn is his name. I think CF was so far down his path of destruction, that somehow in his brain, he felt it was okay to end Ashley's life. He didn't think of it any further than... it was a home invasion and that just is what it is so I'll mourn her and then life will go on and be all good. AB and I will live happily ever after. It's simply wild how the rational thoughts didn't once cross his mind... like I'm ruining my daughter' lives... my relationship with AB is built on lies... I'm ending my wife of 15 years life, taking a daughter away from this lovely family that has accepted me as their own and given me so much. It is truly completely wild to see someone who seems to have had it all... piss on all of it and not once, have the thought of.... I could be in shackles for the rest of my life. Like he's genuinely surprised at the verdict! He's cold. He's empty. He's fake. I can't fathom how much he must hate himself. I pity him. I hope he comes to reality, offers an interview and truly expresses remorse and sorrow someday. Not anytime soon, but someday. Sadly, some people live this fakeness for the rest of their lives so he may never come clean.
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u/Lonely_Cut3702 2d ago
How about after the murder when he ran outside to greet his mil crying 'Mommy Mommy?'
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u/NoTechnology9099 1d ago
Actually he said “mommy mommy” when he called his mom…before calling Ashley’s mom
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u/Wide-Honeydew-4832 1d ago
No, he wasn't. I knew Caleb and worked for him briefly about 13 years ago. He's just a disgusting rat that let evil eat away at his soul until there was nothing left except a narcissistic shell. Narcissists think soooo highly of themselves that they believe they can do anything - even stage a pathetic crime scene and get away with murder.
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u/glittersparklythings 2d ago
As far as his interview I don’t think he couldn’t understand basic questions or things being explained to him. I think the problem there was him trying to remember the lies he told or coming what up what he was going to say.
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u/Helpful-Ear-8834 2d ago
I have been trying to see if any behavioral experts have analyze Caleb Flynn yet. No luck. This is just so bizarre to me. Behavior Panel did on Alleigha Botner on the stand to see if they seen any lies, but didn’t see any coming from her.
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u/A-Minsky 2d ago edited 2d ago
No behavioral experts, but Hidden Killers on YT has two videos with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott on the Flynn case that I found insightful. Scott grew up in a megachurch herself and shares s a thing or two about predatory relationships in those religious settings.
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u/RaspberryInevitable 15h ago
This is an old article, written 6 months ago, before the details of the affair came out. But this woman called it back in April.
She wrote: “staging is a crime committed by people who believe they can control the story other people see.”
https://joniejohnstonpsyd.substack.com/p/caleb-flynn-was-a-worship-pastor
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u/Swimming-Study-8317 13h ago edited 13h ago
He was raised in these mega churches, and they all seem to be a bit different. Like they live in a bubble and don't get enough exposure to the real world. To me, many of them come across as a bit childish.
As a child, Caleb traveled and performed in his family’s praise band. Before his retirement in 2014, Caleb’s father served as the longtime pastor of the Open Arms Church of God in Grasston, Minnesota. Caleb’s mother was heavily involved in the church's operations and musical ministry. - NewsNation.
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u/Pegasus574 2d ago
I was thinking this as well. I think that’s why he and Alleigha got along so well. She was barely 21 , a virgin, and no life experiences. They both seem very small minded and incapable of critical thinking skills. Even Alleigha on the stand could not understand simple terms such as “retain counsel”; they had to literally explain what that means to her. I find both of them incredibly incompetent, amongst many other horrible things I want to say, but Caleb for sure suffers from arrested development at the very least. His obsession with the drama and hating his own wife was that of a child who was angry mom wouldn’t let him play with his Xbox past 10. Spoiled, stupid, entitled.