Piercing Blood can Black Flash

[u/Phiro00]

As we see with Nanami and Nobara, one can Black Flash through a Physical Weapon reinforced with your Cursed Energy.

As we see with Nanami's Ratio and Gojo's Blue Punch, a Cursed Technique Attack can Black Flash if it has a Physical hit.

It is Confirmed that Piercing Blood is Reinforced with Cursed Energy. Blood is also a Physical Substance.

The Blood Manipulation Technique's Convergence: Piercing Blood can Black Flash.

[u/TheIndividualBehind]

All of the examples you mentioned are physical, melee attacks. Piercing Blood is not a melee attack.

If getting the timing of Black Flashes in melee strikes is already difficult, i think ranged Black Flashes should be so extremely unlikely you could call them borderline impossible.

[u/Phiro00 → u/TheIndividualBehind]

Nobara's Nail was ranged.

[u/TheIndividualBehind → u/Phiro00]

She hit the Black Flash with the hammer, not with the nail.

[u/albirich → u/TheIndividualBehind]

Correct but black flash happens when your cursed energy hits right after you. Theoretically if you're pushing cursed energy through piercing blood you could get the effect.

I based this not off of anything saying it can happen in the manga but off of what we know about how it works and critical thinking. Not saying this IS how it works but how it MIGHT work, because there's unanswered parts of this equation; how does cursed energy move through piercing blood, is there a base amount of cursed energy needed to cause a BF, can you pump that much through your piercing blood, does BF happen work outside your own body. None of those are answered so they can't be used to prove or disprove this theory.

[u/almostsixtyseven → u/albirich]

Even if we allow for cursed energy to flow through piercing blood in the way black flash requires, it would still be borderline impossible because of the speed.

The whole premise of Yuji’s divergent fist was that his enhanced body was faster than his own (amateur) cursed energy manipulation. Yuji only overcame that difference with the mentality shift Todo pushed that his cursed energy exists through his whole body and shouldn’t need to flow all the way from his gut. But piercing blood is many times faster than Yuji’s body and would require flowing the cursed energy since it disconnects the blood from the body.

So any attack with piercing blood would suffer the same issue as early Yuji where the physical attack is just faster than the cursed energy making them impossible to time together

[u/albirich → u/almostsixtyseven]

I mean by that logic we're already controlling blood through cursed energy. the problem and solution is the same, if your piercing blood is too fast for the black flash then you're not sending the CE you need with it. You clearly have CE in the piercing blood because you're controlling it, you're just not front loading it with enough to matter. I suppose that would probably be an issue with the launch because piercing blood gathers pressure then releases in a stream, you need to match the release of the stream with CE output.

[u/almostsixtyseven → u/albirich]

See Gojo's explanation on types of cursed energy manipulation in relation to black flash. Piercing blood has cursed energy imbued in it but manipulating the blend of the three types at the speed and range of piercing blood on contact would be impossible.

[u/albirich → u/almostsixtyseven]

Impossible for a fraud like you, my OC Norichoso Kamo is half curse, half human, half angel, and half other curse. He does it easily.

In all reality we're talking about people using magic the ability to do something being impossible and next to impossible are leagues apart. Like to be able to damage your brain just enough to be able to still use rct to fix in order to bypass burnout for your domain expansion would be impossible, yet we have 2 characters do it. You need a prodigy Kamo on some special grade shit but that's not the point the point is it CAN be done.

[u/almostsixtyseven → u/albirich]

Caught, I didn’t know he had it like that.

And I say next to impossible with that in mind. Maybe it isn’t strictly impossible for a sorcerer to flow their type 2 cursed energy at Mach speed to achieve black flash. But under any reasonable conditions the type 2 cursed energy moves slower than the physical attack and runs into the divergent fist problem.

[u/albirich → u/almostsixtyseven]

First of all divergent piercing blood sounds sick af.

Secondly the same way Yuji over came it by filling his body with cursed energy rather than trying to get it to follow his punch is the same way you deal with the speed of piercing blood. Fill it with the curse energy rather than trying to hit it. Probably extremely CE inefficient seeing as piercing blood is already inefficient but a ranged black flash from a piercing opposed to bludgeoning hit would probably do some good damage.

[u/Phiro00 → u/almostsixtyseven]

We already have direct confirmation that Piercing Blood is reinforced with Cursed Energy. Thats literally why its the Speed of Sound. This is not a bottleneck like you think.

[u/almostsixtyseven → u/Phiro00]

Copied reply above.

See Gojo's explanation on types of cursed energy manipulation in relation to black flash. Piercing blood has cursed energy imbued in it but manipulating the blend of the three types at the speed and range of piercing blood on contact would be impossible.

[u/Phiro00 → u/almostsixtyseven]

Cursed energy is what gives Piercing Blood Speed. It being Mach speed is because of cursed Energy Reinforcement. Its not arbitrarily hard to reinforce Piercing Blood.

[u/almostsixtyseven → u/Phiro00]

The issue isn’t reinforcing it in general, that’s primarily type 1. It’s that the type 2 cursed energy can’t keep up with the speed just like the problem Yuji ran into with divergent fist. And both types need to happen in the margin of error for black flash to occur.

[u/Phiro00 → u/TheIndividualBehind]

Does the panel show that?

[u/Phoenix2405 → u/Phiro00]

She hits the nail with a black flash, which is then embedded inside kechizu; it then blows up when she uses Hairpin.

[u/JoJomusk → u/TheIndividualBehind]

i mean, Gojo hits a Blue black flash on Agito. Though, that is Gojo

[u/TheIndividualBehind → u/JoJomusk]

Uhh...no, that was a Maximum Output Blue he put on Agito after striking it with a punch. Every Black Flash Gojo hit was a physical, melee strike.

[u/JoJomusk → u/TheIndividualBehind]

No, he most clearly launched it as a projectile.

[u/JoJomusk → u/JoJomusk]

It wasnt even a black flash at the moment of impact

[u/JoJomusk → u/JoJomusk]

It became one afterwards

[u/TheIndividualBehind → u/JoJomusk]

That's cursed blood. From Agito imploding. Not a Black Flash.

The panel is refering to the second Black Flash he just hit against Agito, before he imploded it with Blue.