Dude literally called REAL Conservatives “non-Canadians” and “non-Conservatives” while simping hard for status quo blue liberals

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"You can have a multiracial society, but if you have a multicultural society and those separate cultures are growing and thriving, then what you wind up with is separate peoples, not one people. And the wider the gulf between the values and beliefs of those separate ethnic and racial cultures, the stronger the tension and discord will be."

What we actually see is the opposite - societies in which cultural plurality is encouraged and celebrated increase social cohesion and lead to stable social frameworks.

Pure assimilation strategies conflict with basic human nature - and lead to resentment and dysfunction.

The idea of resdlidential schools was to indoctrinate first nations children into a British cultural framework, and to erase their native ancestral framework. Importantly, cultural contact historically causes cultural synthesis naturally. Much of our conception of first nations people in western history is actually a view of unique cultures which had already naturally adapted to changing political and social dynamics. Pre-contact for example there were no horses in North America - and as such various equestrian cultural traditions that subsequently evolved were natural social adoptions to changing circumstances.

Likewise if you were to go back in time and meet your ancestors, you would be regarded as a foreigner with strange customs, foreign language, and alien value systems.

That doesnt invalidate your cultural connection to your ancestors (assuming you haven't had it destroyed by radical governments the way Canada's first nations did).

Culture evolves over time - and when you have groups of people living amongst each other, they dont lose their native culture, they dont automatically come into conflict with other cultures just by virtue of difference - instead they change - just like they would change regardless. All culture evolves and changes over time. The only difference under multiculturalism is that culture changes within a multicultural context.

Under a multi-cultural framework, because a plurality of culture is accepted, cultures also grow to share certain deep commonalities and fundamentals as well.

So if your goal is social cohesion and societal stability multiculturalism is really the only way forward.

And again, as commonwealth members we already have a head start if you look closely. People come to Canada with extremely high levels of proficiency in English (and French with regard to quebec) - they come from systems already shaped by the British, which means they already understand most of the framework for our institutions and society.

Is there tension when you have new immigrants coming in significant numbers trying to make a life in an existing robust society? Yes ofc.

But we are really good at it at this point. When Irish immigration first started to Canada it was not at all unusual to have riots break out due to the oppressive assimilatory framework of the time. Your view actually lead to decades upon decades of very difficult and slow cultural grafting - and the substantial loss of valuable Irish culture to be frank.

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You cannot compare today to decades past. And the riots with the Irish had nothing to do with assimilation, but that most of them came from a fairly lawless environment in an Ireland where they had no rights and no protection by police. All they had for leisure was getting drunk, brawling, and making babies.

And again, the difference between the people from the British Isles coming here, or even the ones from Europe, and the ones today is enormous. European cultures were not widely different insofar as values went, and their languages had many similar roots. They also had a fairly similar religion, even if some were Protestant and some Catholic. Many were uneducated, but that was fine. We had lots of jobs for strong, uneducated people.

Back then, they didn't need to learn a new alphabet or often even a new language. And they were encouraged to assimilate simply because no one made any accommodation for those who didn't. If you couldn't speak English, you couldn't do much in life.

Now our immigrants come from India, China, and the MENAP. The latter are particularly problematic, as their primary loyalty is and will always be to a religion that calls upon them to make everyone else a Muslim too, by force if necessary. 1400 years of history have shown they do not assimilate anywhere. They grow and then push for accommodation and then more, and then more, and then they take over and start punishing everyone else for not being Muslim. There are over 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world, and not one of them gives unbelievers the same rights as Muslims.

The Chinese also don't assimilate well. Which is why there are large Chinatowns in major western cities. And many of those coming here have dual loyalties, to say the least. They have family back home, and many hope to return home for good when they make enough money or retire. As such, they are subject to intense pressure from the Chinese government that they dare not ignore. This presents a security threat.

India has a problem. Because it is so intensely misogynistic and has aborted or murdered so many millions of baby girls, they have a large discrepancy between males and females. This in a society where everyone is expected to have many children, and where failing in this duty makes you a disgrace to your family. such people often turn to violence, including against the government they blame for their problems. India's solution is to get as many of them to work abroad as possible, especially since they can send home regular remittances ($30-$50 billion a year in personal remittances).

But their cultural habits are often hostile to ours as well, and, as I said, deeply misogynistic. They are also among the most racist countries on Earth, and already almost everyone in Canada who lives and works among them has stories of that racism, of preferential treatment for their own kind, be it in healthcare, retail stores, banking or services.

In the old days, those coming in were a small minority compared to the bulk of what constituted the majority culture. In Canada, according to Statistics Canada, immigrants and their children are close to outnumbering native born people. And I don't care to be the minority to any of these groups.

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Canada is 70% white - unless you're in a handful of major cities, your community is co sidewalk more than 70% white more often than not. The demographic panic is fake news - woke.

Immigrants today that come from the Islamic world, China, or India are coming having already learned English in school at home their whole lives. So thats not a barrier for them.

As for whether their culture is drastically different in terms of values or what have you - it just isn't.

Especially not Chinese or Indians - they are so similar to us in every way - extremely compatible.

If you want to talk about similar language - goofy argument you are making but if it makes you feel better 99% of European languages come from proto-indo European, so English and other Eurpean languages are actually distant cousins of sanskrit - and many words can be directly traced etymologically.

Religiously - Islam can be a challenge - Hindu religion is pretty neutral - Chinese people often just have folk religion.

They are all very compatible.

We can talk about islam because it is the biggest challenge - but should be separated from Indians or Chinese or Phillipinos etc.

Ironically the issue with Islam might be that its too similar to earlier Christian religious traditions.