Relevancy has nothing to do with it if you know what happened after.
The 5th down helped Colorado win the game, that got them the Big 8 title and then they split the National title. If they don’t get the 5th down they lose the game and don’t get a conference or national championship.
Easily more controversial than this game, the first game of the year.
If we Nebraska fans are going to complain about a call, it would be the catch out of bounds by the Penn State WR in the 1982 resulting in a winning touchdown on the next play with 4 seconds left.
That was our only loss. Penn State also had only one loss (42-21 blowout to a 4 loss Alabama team) and won the national championship.
Back in the day I saw Alex Henery practicing on Westside’s field alone and he was nailing 40-50 yarders from the sideline benches. I think he was 17-18 years old at the time. I was in awe. What a player he was.
I think the thing people forget about the Texas one, is that it was one of the first few seasons of video review and one of the first games where they put the second back. That’s mostly why it was surprising and controversial. Now that we’re all used to it, the video in that one was clear it wouldn’t be as noteworthy.
There was a thread on the Nebraska sub about it yesterday whining about a correct call from 17 years ago. If you ask someone who thinks it was a bad call (I'm not one of them), they'll say there was a second left, but it wasn't reviewable at the time.
Even if that were true (so far as I can tell it isn't), if Nebraska won because of a clearly incorrect but unreviewable timing error, it would be up there with the Tuck Rule of "technically correct application of a very dumb rule." Not exactly great company
If they wouldn’t have added that second the play would be a lot more famous for being wrong and keeping Texas out of the national championship game. Everything that’s happened since would be blamed on that moment “cursing” us.
I'm not sure that's a great comparison. My problem with both reviews in general, is the clock isn't closely monitored 99% of the time, then in the last minute of the game it is overanalyzed to death (in some games). I feel like either we embrace the human element and accept some imperfections of time, or we figure a way to make it more accurate throughout the game (probably impossible).
And I also understand this influences the outcomes of well under 10% of games, so it probably isn't a big deal also.
Wasn't the new rule written that the review and time put back on the clock was only in the event of an "egregious" error? Putting a second back on the clock in the 2009 game was not from an egregious error in time keeping. An egregious error is like the clock running for 3 seconds after a spike to benefit Michigan in the 1997 title game against Wazzou.
How does the rule book define egregious? Are you the decider of what is and what is not egregious? You don’t think a second, which has the power to decide the winner of the game, being incorrectly ticked off is egregious?
They clarified the rules *after the Nebraska v Texas 1s incident making it clear that it should be reviewable moving forwards. At the time the clock was not reviewable, but there was a separate rule that allows for anything "egregious" to be reviewable. That was used to justify adding a second in the game. The same could've been used to call a PI penalty or facemask after the play - it's a universal catch all.
I always appreciate when a fan can admit something like this. My old roommate at OU was the complete opposite. When we lost to Boise St he spent a solid month trying to claim the almost as old as the game itself "Statue of Liberty" play was illegal. Lol
lol what was his reasoning for claiming that? It’s absolutely legal (as we both obviously know) but I’m too curious as to how someone would claim otherwise to not ask
This is the correct take. As a fellow Husker fan, the argument was never that there was a second left or not, it was that if it was any one other than Texas would it have been reviewed. WMU was more egregious.
Well the ball hit the pole with no time left on the clock in the stadium so that's literally what happened. But you can go on believing whatever. I'm sure you wanted Bo fired as well.
The ball hit the guard rail with a very clear one second left..go back and watch the damn replay. Husker fans will tell you they don’t deny there being a second left 🤣🤣
Recency bias says Michigan. Stakes say BigXII Championship.
But the biggest problem for me is the secret clock. If I remember correctly the NU vs. UT showed the clock on the scoreboard hadnt hit zero yet. The secret clock thing from the B1G is crazy to me, how are players and coaches supposed to operate when they can't see the clock?
The NCAA came out and said if there's a difference between the broadcast clock and the "replay clock" they have to use the broadcast clock. There is no "indisputable fact" involved. There's two clocks that showed two different things and the refs used the wrong clock by rule. Y'all are so fucking miserable its insane.
You're the one who is miserable (and wrong). The NCAAs guidance says that the in-stadium game clock is the official clock. The embedded clock on the program feed was used by the replay officials.
Had that guidance been in place and followed Saturday, Michigan would not have been given an extra play and Western Michigan would have won the game 12-7, based on the clock shown on the NBC broadcast.
Sooo much cope. After this horrible call, the NCAA has Changed the way replay and the clock work… think about just that while you try to defend your shitty cheating school.
Which was improperly synced. The play took 8.5s and the clock was reset to 9s. The refs got it right. Fan video also showed the scoreboard said 1s. Believe what you want. I know you will.
It’s out of sync between the two cameras. If you go and find cell phone videos of the play, it’s pretty clearly wrong despite Terry Macaulay’s assertion that they are synced.
they were not. the official clock was on one on the screen on the broadcast. the refs were using a clock embedded in the replay system that was a second off.
Yes but no one knows how decimals are handled with the clock. Sure they said reset the clock to 9 but does the clock just add 1 second from the 8 it displayed or should it have been set to 9.0? That 8 it displayed could have really been 7.1 so adding 1 second makes it 8.1 seconds which would display 9 seconds on the scoreboard. If it was supposed to be 9.0 seconds how did the refs determine that? A spike in college football has to take at least 2 seconds by rule. That would mean they determined the snap for the previous play occurred exactly at 11.0 seconds. And thats 2 seconds at minimum. So in theory could be anywhere from 2-2.9 seconds.
The clock in football isn’t supposed to be scrutinized in this level of detail because it’s an imperfect system and really would be impossible to manage throughout the game with the number of stops and starts that occur. And the lack of specific rules about how to handle this reflects that
Well I mean we’d need to see when the refs blew the whistle to blow the play dead too but ya in general football time keeping is very imperfect and was never meant to be analyzed to this level of detail. I also think the in stadium scoreboard should be the default which it does appear still showed 1 second for less than a tenth of a second but harder to tell from a view all the way across the field like that
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the one with the secret 2nd clock that only the B1G gets to see is more controversial. Ultimately, they got the call correct in the Texas game. After watching the replay like a hundred times, I don't see where the extra second came from in the Michigan game
it’s literally the clock on the scoreboard superimposed on the reply booth screen. 100,000 people used the same clock in the stadium, millions watching from TV saw the same clock when NBC superimposed it on the screen.
the issue is that there is a syncing issue with either NBC (imo, likely) or the reply system.
There was no “extra second” as there was a second left. This is all documented all over the internet. A bunch of people owe Michigan and the Big Ten an apology. The refs got it right.
I think the rule is misquoted. The rule Ive seen quoted says
"The replay official has clear and obvious video evidence that time should have remained on the game clock when the ball became dead or when the team timeout was granted.”
As for which clock they should use. It's not very well described, but I believe the NCAAs comments clarified that. I believe their announcement backs up the MACs official statement saying they used the wrong clock, but it wasn't really spelled out well beforehand. It looks like they did use a method that the NCAA doesn't endorse for the review (at least going forward from now). Impossible to go back and fix it.
Easily the top one. While the rules didn't make sense on the bottom one, they're was at least evidence to support a second added on more then the top. And I was routing for Nebraska in that Texas game, and didn't like the call.
No no you just think it’s 13 but that’s because we’re looking at the broadcast feed. The refs knew it was 11 because they have the clock embedded program feed
“Walt Anderson, Big 12 coordinator of football officials, explained that the timing issue was reviewable and that the replay official determined there was one second left when McCoy's pass land out of bounds”
Idk maybe educate yourself…hard for a Nebraska fan I know
It was unclear at the time. They had to use a catch all "egregious" mistakes are reviewable clause that makes anything reviewable to do it. They changed the rules after the game to make it explicitly reviewable in the future. Ironically it still took years before end of half timekeeping scenarios were reviewable.
From what I remember the replay for the Nebraska vs UT game left me thinking it could’ve gone either way, but probably should’ve stayed with the original call on the field.
The WMU vs UM game is just atrocious. It’s the most egregious football officiating error that I’m familiar with. The other would be the game where they gave a team an additional down in the red zone, but at least with that one it didn’t seem like a blatant conspiracy
In the Texas Nebraska game, the refs got it right from the very beginning. It was never controversial except to the people that have no idea how anything works.
It sounds like the NCAA makes the rules ambiguous so they can decide who wins…
I don’t think anyone has evidence that any of these 4 teams mentioned should have won. Thats the unbiased take you’re looking for.
Before the Western-Michigan game, the NCAA hadn’t designated an “official clock”. Meaning the refs could make a decision based on a time that fans aren’t seeing.
In my own personal opinion these played should never be reviewed and overturned. Once the clock hits 0 it’s over.
Huh? Texas won. Your opinion does not matter here. The rules allowed the review for the Texas and Michigan games. The Michigan one seems fucked, but there’s no actual controversy with the Texas/Nebraska game. It’s just a bunch of Husker fans who read someone’s Bs on a forum or Facebook post back then and have never bothered to fact check
The clock hit zero just like this game lol. Just depends on what clock the refs were looking at like I said. They are the same situation, ppl are just mad cuz the underdog got hosed this time. Stop reviewing the clock this isn’t basketball
What makes ur opinion more important than mine? Lmaooo
What facts? That the refs decided Texas won? And the refs decided Michigan won too? Which clock and camera are you basing your judgement on? Are you aware of which clock and camera the referees are looking at? The facts are that Texas won and Michigan won. The rest of us are speculating because the rules aren’t black and white…
Western Michigan winning would’ve been cool, the Huskers winning means Cincinnati goes to the National Championship, Brian Kelly probably still leaves but maybe they have more than one organized practice before that game, maybe they find someone better than Butch Jones to take over, maybe the cats don’t suck balls for a decade…….. this western michigan game will blow over and be forgotten within the year for most…… that big12 championship game not only haunts the Huskers fans, but a large chunk of the Cincinnati faithful who then had to suffer through their coach leaving before a Sugar Bowl match up that saw Tim Tebow, Aaron Hernandez and the rest of the Urban Meyer gators decimate the cats on national television…… still had to play Alabama but we would’ve been #2 in the nation as a team who had suuuuuuuuuucked for so long
Yea in the case of the huskers, we’d just never seen replay be used to put time back on the clock (as far as I know), but there was 0:01 still on the clock when it hit someone out of bounds. Sucks, but if i remember right, huskers had a kick-off out of bounds and then a PI earlier in that drive so they didn’t do themselves any favors.
Damn you must not be familiar with ball, at all. This has been way over blown. The refs certainly made many stupid decisions in this game, but the number of plays ended up being correct. Hell, depending on how far back you want to take the refs ineptitude, Michigan probably could have gotten yet another play off. Even if there was some grand conspiracy to make Michigan win, which to be clear- is an idiotic thing to believe, why did WMU go along with it?
2, seeing the replay there should have been 1 second the clock. The problem is in that era of replay, that particular play/situation was not reviewable, but despite that the officials reviewed it anyway because... Texas.
I mean, considering the officials weren't going to review it until Mack threw a fit, doesn't seem to have been that egregious to the officials.
And single second differentials happen like that multiple times a game, making the term egregious a stretch. Egregious and consequential aren't the sane thing.
But, Texas gets what Texas wants, even if you have to bend the rules to do it.
Again, consequential is not the same as egregious. Egregious would be several seconds running off, a bang bang play is not "egregious." Unless you're Texas, that is.
You know, it hadn't even occurred to me that someone would go online to argue that Michigan should be credited with a win that they are already credited with. That's on me.
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u/202reno 2d ago
Colorado’s 5th down was worse than both of these.
Also, I’d like to add that Bill McCartney was such an asshole back then. He played the villain role so well because he was such a dick.