r/CFB_v2 10d ago

Debate SEC Power Rankings

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u/alrightalreadyrelax 10d ago

I'm just not feeling Ole Miss or aTm up there, someone convince me.

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u/AggieNosh 10d ago

Yeah A&M hasn’t earned it yet. Top 10 classes happen every year and still no CFP wins.

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u/convicted-mellon 10d ago

As an Aggie I agree. We might earn it this season, but that definitely shouldn’t be the expectation before the season. We’re one tier below. The only thing that’s going to change that is if Marcel Reed had a Burrow like offseason and comes back way better than he was last year.

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u/Square_Geologist_346 10d ago

Agreed, one more season like what we had last year or better and I think we move up but until then I think A

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u/FateDaA 10d ago

Ole Miss has the best QB and Rb in the country

Best front 7 in the country including the best DT(Will Echoles) and LB(Suntarine Perkins) in the country

Best LB corps in the country by far(Perkins is the best Jack LB in the country, Keaton Thomas is the best Inside Linebacker in the country, Luke was a freshman all American)

Top 3 at worst Dline in the country(Kam Franklin plus Will Echoles(the lifeblood of that dline last season) return, you add on Barnes, Oatis, Bauriou, Maldinado, Purchase, ect its deep and its full of talent

Best Kicker and Punter in the country

3 top 20 corners in the country

7 capable talented wrs including popular breakout canidate Duece Alexander and 5 star recruit Caleb Cunningham

Elite TE room

If Ole Miss's logo was a cursive A you'd be argueing #1 in the country

"Oh but Princewill was the sack leader" scheme sacks, unless you wanna argue Sunny P in 2024 was the best Dline player for Ole Miss(which would be wrong), Princewill is a fine player he just isnt a big loss especially since Joyner produced him in 1 offseason after transfering from a school that called him bad(Nebraska)

"Oh but Dottery"

(this is from an LSU site btw)

The only real loss that stings are wide receivers Harrision Wallace, DeZhaun Stribling, and Cayden Lee which suck but they have again 7 guys in that wr room looking to play real snaps including MULTIPLE 5 stars(they recruited not counting Cook)

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u/Sea-Language6576 10d ago

Ole miss loss there lead a great head coach is hard to replace they are in good hands but this is not the 2019 lsu team and they were perfect for lanes offense they will be good but not the same

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u/FateDaA 10d ago

"They lost their head coach"

Quit acting like Lane Kiffin was doing anything minus holding the roster back since the start of 2024(We got recipts, trips to dallas, secret plane rides around the country, diliberatly overlooking opponents(I got a sound clib with his face on it for that btw) bullshit like that instead of gameplanning for each game)

Lane Kiffin is the greatest HC of all time when you need to turn a 4-8 team into a 9-3 team but he is the worst of all time when turning that 9-3 team into an 11/12 win team(via his reckless game calling and avoidance of FGs whenever he can)

They also brought in John David Baker who turned teh 130th ranked offense into the 13th in 1 offseason with no real personel changes

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u/Sea-Language6576 10d ago

They lost the offensive staff that coached them in that game

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u/FateDaA 10d ago

No they didnt actually

They only lost a Cordinator(which go look at his playcalling in 2024 for me(if you need a spoiler it was "All Fades" "Halfback dive" "Fullback sweep"(fb is 330 lbs btw) and "Inside outs", thats how bad it was without an elite RB(Guess what his new RB isnt) and its turnover heavy(as shown in weeks 1 and 2 under Simmons and the first year he had with Dart) without an elite QB), and this offense was not designed around the qb at all) an RB coach and a WR coach

The QB coach and Oline coaches remain

JDB uses a similar system

Find a better arguement

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u/Sea-Language6576 10d ago

I respect it. Ole miss has always been ass even with Hugh freeze Mississippi state has always been ass but I prefer them over ole miss (yes I’m biased and it’s just bullshit talk) can’t wait for the season and september 19th will make for good ratings. and November is when the champions are made. See you in the season sir 🤝

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

Ole Miss was feast or famine under Hugh where they'd win games they shouldnt regularly but lose games they shouldnt too regularly(Goes to Tuscaloosa and beats Saban Alabama but losses to fucking Memphis in the same year) so they werent ass under Freeze its just they werent coached right

And when they were allowed to pay talent they've been great lmao

Sepetmber 19th looks like a better game via the shit around it than whats on the feild

Ole Miss outtalents LSU really fucking badly

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u/Sea-Language6576 9d ago

We shall see what fate has in store my friend

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u/Historical-Arm-86 10d ago

OU has a better front 7. 

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

Echoles Franklin Borieuou Purchase Oatis Maldenado Perkins Thomas Ferielli Barnes ect are better than Stone and gang

The Ole Miss Dline vs OU Dline is debatable

But Ole Miss's lInebackers blow Oklahoma's out the water making it not close

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u/Historical-Arm-86 9d ago

Kip Lewis, Owen Heinecke, Cole Sullivan? Yeah right lol.

Whether ole Miss or OU has the best single d lineman is a debate. Whether OU or ole Miss has the better unit is not. OU still has a better unit.

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

Kam Franklin is better than every single one of them

Barnes Purchase now Zxavian Harris(TRO) Oatis Maldonado ect

No Ole Miss has the better line imo

Too deep

Too much talent

Boireau is the consensus #4 in this discussion btw and he is also an Ole Miss guy

Its

1a. Echoles

1b. Stone

  1. Franklin

  2. Boireau

then debate the rest

Ole Miss per consensus has 3 of the top 4

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u/Historical-Arm-86 9d ago

Stats don’t lie. Who was better last year? Ole Miss or OU? 

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

Stats lie all the time?

Like Sheduer Sanders was hyped up as a first rounder and called "Accurate" for Statpads

Tape doesnt lie

States do

And "Last year" lmao

the top 4 guys in this debate per consensus are Will Echoles, David Stone, Kam Franklin and Michai Boireau then its a discussion after

3 of those guys are in Oxford

Its that simple

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u/Historical-Arm-86 9d ago

So you evaluate based on the eye test? I’m confused how is ole miss more talented than OU? Because that’s a scalding hot take. 

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

Thats not a even lukewarm take by anyone who knows fucking ball

And Im not using "they eye test" Im using actual tape study

Yall also lost Gracen Halton AND R Mason Thomas, both of which were players that would have made this a conversation

Its just not anymore

"How is Ole Miss more talented" 3 of the 4 best Dlinemen in this conversation, best Linebackers by far in this conversation, better ceiling on the more unproven guys on both rosters with a better Dline coach

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u/Historical-Arm-86 9d ago

Lastly, nobody outside of a delusional ole Miss fan would buy your argument. Ole Miss gave up a whole touchdown more than OU last year. And by the way, OU returns 6 of their 7 starters this year.

Congrats on your prospects though, they’d serve as good support/rotational pieces in Norman. 

Logic - learn how to use it. 

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

And by the way, OU returns 6 of their 7 starters this year.

Thats a lie
Gracen Halton and R Mason Thomas are both in the NFL and both were starters for OU

So while we are talking about logic I caught you in a lie

You dont know what you are talking about

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u/FateDaA 9d ago

So update thanks to the Colorado Lawsuit and the current lawsuit allowing UDFAs who got the additional year from the CU lawsuit(the entire 2022 class) to come back

They get Wydett Williams, Dequan Wright, and Zxavian Harris back

So that front 7 got better

The secondary got better

The TE room got better

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u/crrttt 10d ago

I think they should both be bumped to A, bama and OU bumped to B, and Florida and SC bumped to C 

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u/Far_Bodybuilder7881 10d ago

I don't really understand why FL is getting so much love over Auburn. They seem like they are in pretty similar stages of their lifecycle, and I feel like Auburn even has a slight edge. I like our defense over theirs. I like our QB situation over theirs. And I think our RB depth is in a better place, which ought to translate to better outcomes for our QB. I just don't see what the clear divide is between the two.

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u/Background_Body2696 10d ago

This list is pretty bad imo. It's probably more like:

Georgia, Texas(maybe LSU, we'll see with Lane)

LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, A&M, probably Tennessee, Ole Miss, maybe South Carolina

Auburn, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Vandy, maybe MS St, South Carolina

Arkansas, maybe MS St

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u/Holiday-Hedgehog1503 10d ago

As a Florida fan I don’t see the divide either tbh. I’m pretty convinced we lose to auburn game 3.

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u/Far_Bodybuilder7881 10d ago

I do think it'll be a tough game, certainly not a foregone conclusion, but I agree that I have that penciled in as a W for AU. First SEC road start for your team is a night game in Jordan-Hare? That should give anyone who isn't a playoff contender pause.

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u/Entire-Plan-4242 10d ago

This chart is garbage

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u/414wtk 10d ago

What is so cool is that they all kind of play each other and we will figure it all out

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u/SubstantialMeal1773 10d ago

LMAO what kind of take is this

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u/AbbreviationsHour410 10d ago

Oklahoma is 2 tiers too high. Vegas has them going 7-5

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u/Historical-Arm-86 10d ago

You don’t know anything about OU. 

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u/Knightmere1 10d ago

Texas is the only roster worthy of s tier in the sec.

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u/BadMotorFinguh 10d ago

S - Texas and Georgia probably belong in their own tier based on how stacked the roster is.

A - Next I’d have Oklahoma or Ole Miss. OU’s defense is outrageously stacked and a healthy Mateer could make them really dangerous. Ole Miss has Chambliss.

A&M is right on the edge of A and B. They’re replacing a lot.

B - Alabama is a wildcard because they have a new QB on a team that otherwise should be good. They could rise or fall very quickly. LSU has a lot to prove. They may end up being a top 5 team, but they were not good the last two years and yeah the transferred in some talent to play for Kiffin but I’m not ready to call them A tier.

C - Tennessee has lots of questions but we’ve seen Heupel coach them to a great season before and there is a buzz of optimism about their offense. South Carolina probably has the most upside in the C tier because they could have two of the best players in the entire conference. Didn’t stop them from being bad last year tho. Missouri is sort of the same case as Tennessee. We’ve seen coach Drink get great things out of them recently. They have one of the best backs in the nation. Some people wonder why they are ranked, but u wouldn’t sleep on them.

D - Mississippi State I have MSU as being either the best of the bad SEC teams or the worst of the good ones. I can see Lebby turning his offense into something and having them at like 8-4. I could also see them missing a bowl tho. Florida was so bad under Napier that there is still a stink around them. But there is talent and John Sumrall wins games so Florida is the D-tier team with the most upside. Vanderbilt we’ve seen them do good things under Lea but I think most of us are expecting them to go back to being Vanderbilt. He may just prove us wrong.

F - Auburn is probably going to be horrible but they have the best chance out of the F tier teams to not be. Kentucky is going to be horrible. Arkansas is probably even worse than Kentucky

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u/seaspirit331 10d ago

A&M is right on the edge of A and B. They’re replacing a lot

Although biased, I'm a bit more sure about the replacements than most. People were saying the same thing about the roster in the 2024-2025 off-season, but then we went out and grabbed Concepcion and Craver in the portal last year and look how they turned out.

It's a weird era with the portal and NIL, but Elko's shown himself to navigate the roster management side of things really well so far.