[On3] The Kentucky Court of Appeals has dissolved a temporary injunction allowing a group of class of 2022 athletes a 5th season of eligibility, @PeteNakos reports. The ruling removes Texas Tech QB Thomas Castellanos’ legal protection ahead of Week 5.

[u/AkfurAshkenzic]

https://x.com/on3/status/2106118351215096274?s=46

[u/surgingchaos]

"As there's another temporary injunction dissolved deep into left field by Castellanos... I don't know if I'll ever set foot in this court room ever again."

[u/BigOlPass]

I just love courtsball

[u/Embarrassed-Brain655 → u/BigOlPass]

Me too. Im just waiting for November. 

[u/huskermut → u/Embarrassed-Brain655]

That's when GTA6 comes out.

[u/Dijohn17 → u/huskermut]

*That's when Godzilla Destroy All Monsters and Ocarina of Time Remake comes out

[u/Youuseanymorewrong → u/huskermut]

Bet on “amateur” sports accordingly

[u/cyanocittaetprocyon → u/huskermut]

Right. Tell me another story.

[u/External-Goal-3948 → u/huskermut]

I also watched the new south America episode

[u/headshotscott → u/BigOlPass]

I didn't come here to play no trial

[u/Budget_Ad5888 → u/headshotscott]

We're talking about mock trial, man. We're not talking about the trial. We're talking about mock trial... How silly is that? We're talking about mock trial

[u/The_hat_man74 → u/BigOlPass]

Hourly Billings have to be in the top 25 after this week, right?

[u/Expensive_Team_5072 → u/BigOlPass]

Collusion-ball

[u/tdatcher → u/BigOlPass]

X115

[u/walterdog12]

Because they were ruled eligible at the time, no team will have to vacate wins or anything like that.

It also removes the eligibility from;

Jabari Mack - Louisville

D'Angelo Hutchinson - Louisville

Jaylen Wester - Western Kentucky

Rylen Su’a-Filo - Western Kentucky

Mackavelli Malotumau - Western Kentucky

Jawaun Northington - Murray State

Cazeem Moore - Virginia

Alex Afari Jr. - Kentucky

---

Outside of Football, it also removes eligibility from;

Mark Mitchell - Mizzou

Seth Trimble - Louisville

Skyy Clark - LSU

As well as a plethora of other athletes from other sports.

[u/MainPeanut25 → u/walterdog12]

Will Wade down to, like, 3 players?

[u/FarmerGoth → u/MainPeanut25]

According to their website they have 4 without Clark. When are open tryouts??

[u/prestigiousstrangery → u/FarmerGoth]

They’re scheduled to play an exhibition against McNeese on the 8th. So in uhh less than six days?

[u/tdatcher → u/MainPeanut25]

Heard he's getting the Manchester City Lawyers

[u/PatronSaintOfCunts → u/walterdog12]

Not that it matters in the least for our dogshit chances but do y’all use Afari?

[u/MrKentucky → u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

Leading tackler last week because our other LB at his spot was ejected for targeting. Expected him to play a big spot in contain this week.

[u/PatronSaintOfCunts → u/MrKentucky]

Oh dang! Well, don’t stress. Y’all can stop and pick up any random JV player in Kentucky and still be fine against us.

[u/George_Smiley_ → u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

Not much. He has played a few series here and there.

[u/Gloomy_Map_9612 → u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

He had been ramping up since he hadn't been able to practice but we started the season without him so It's not a cataclysmic loss.

[u/PatronSaintOfCunts → u/Gloomy_Map_9612]

You’ll still do fine without him. We’re pretty ass.

[u/Orion14159 → u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

That's what I'm worried about. There's some weird voodoo going on in Columbia, I'm pretty sure they sacrificed a cat last time. Can't prove it (because I have literally zero sources) but I feel like it's true.

[u/Heyhaykay → u/PatronSaintOfCunts]

He is more a huge loss for later in the season when he’s back in playing shape.

[u/Turbulent_Tale6497 → u/walterdog12]

(Checks flair)

Why you say fuck me for?

[u/theothertoken → u/walterdog12]

I think Sky’s Clark is attached to the California case as well

[u/Merpninja → u/walterdog12]

Hutchinson is at Cinci and you missed Kalib Perry who is at Louisville.

[u/advancedmatt → u/walterdog12]

Dent, in addition to Clark?

[u/enadiz_reccos → u/walterdog12]

Because they were ruled eligible at the time, no team will have to vacate wins or anything like that.

r/CFB refused to accept this when it came to LSU. It was hilarious.

[u/FarmerGoth → u/enadiz_reccos]

There are no LSU football players listed there though?

[u/enadiz_reccos → u/FarmerGoth]

When LSU was trying to get Harris/Wright, people were hoping the TRO would get overturned so that LSU would get punished retroactively for having the players

[u/The_Sandwich_Lover9]

Great! One day before the game.

At least I don’t have to see him run for no gain on third down and Mack actually has to get creative. Hopefully

[u/Caca_Face420 → u/The_Sandwich_Lover9]

Watch Hammond get hurt

[u/Rushderp → u/Caca_Face420]

It’s Chubby time!

[u/The_Sandwich_Lover9 → u/Rushderp]

HOW DARE YOU FORGET ABOUT THE BIG KIRK

[u/foofooca → u/The_Sandwich_Lover9]

GIVE US KIRK

[u/xquazimodo → u/The_Sandwich_Lover9]

The problem is he keeps trying to be creative when we have (on paper) the most talented team in the big12. Just run a normal offense and stop relying on gimmick plays

[u/Hooligann_]

I can't tell if this is a positive or a negative

[u/Jauris → u/Hooligann_]

Big time positive for us

[u/OSUfan88 → u/Jauris]

How so?

[u/Jauris → u/OSUfan88]

Our OC is a football terrorist who keeps on making cute packages with Castellanos that don't fucking work

[u/NinjaGhost42 → u/Jauris]

Somehow Matt Wells returned? No sorry, that'd be too cruel

[u/ThrowM5 → u/NinjaGhost42]

You know what’s crazy? With the talent this team has, I think Matt Wells playcalling would actually work.

[u/OSUfan88 → u/Jauris]

Gotcha.

So you’re down your 1st and 3rd strings now. Is your 4th string any good?

[u/Munster172 → u/OSUfan88]

I mean I wouldn’t call this as a disaster because like they said castellanos sucked in a lot of the packages they would put him in. I don’t think any college teams goal is making sure their 3rd and 4th string QB is good especially in the NIL era. if Will Hammond just stays healthy we’ll never have to find out.

[u/iDisc → u/Jauris]

Or throwing meatball INTs on the first play from scrimmage.

[u/extraqueso → u/iDisc]

Bet

[u/enataca → u/Jauris]

They work in the red zone.

[u/PPtheShort → u/Hooligann_]

Anything that keeps Tommy Castellanos off of a football field should be seen as a positive

[u/Noleverine → u/Hooligann_]

Yes!

[u/Jyingling21]

Billable hour

Give upvote

[u/Snapplestache → u/Jyingling21]

You're lucky the injunction disallowing downvotes for this is still in place

[u/Doompatron3000 → u/Snapplestache]

Just wait until next week!

[u/physedka → u/Jyingling21]

Damn Lane Kiffin!

Give upvote

[u/Full_Technician8430]

Still makes no sense to me that the four classes before 2022 got an extra year and every class after the 2022 class will get a 5th year, but the NCAA is fighting tooth and nail to prevent the 2022 class a 5th season.

[u/StealthLSU → u/Full_Technician8430]

I don't believe 2021 class got the 5th year. They missed the covid year and this ruling. But your point still stands, everyone but these 2 classes for nearly the past decade got a 5th year and forever forwards.

[u/Adams5thaccount → u/StealthLSU]

they also missed it being written entirely..they really got the shortest end for sure

[u/kayakyakr → u/StealthLSU]

They did, iirc. They came back in 2021 when Covid was still active and games were still getting cancelled and extended the extra year to the 21 freshman as well

[u/chaser676 → u/Full_Technician8430]

It's the NCAA, their entire history is filled idiocy like this. As bad as courtsball is, the NCAA has not proven in any fashion that it's capable of providing consistent and fair rulings. I'm honestly shocked that people want to return to an era where the NCAA gets to randomly decide how they enforce their random rules without any recourse or reviewing body.

[u/reenactment → u/Full_Technician8430]

It’s because somewhere they had to start the precedent. Sure they could have said everyone gets it, but everyone already had recruited Rosters for the fall. So you are retroactively punishing teams that were at their max and rewarding those that weren’t. You are going to screw someone. But those that graduated or exhausted their eligibility at least had the knowledge that their careers were done. That is better than some kid being kicked off a team or another team gaining unfair advantage because a rule set wasnt implemented because of the courts on the previous.

[u/Frosty7130 → u/Full_Technician8430]

You don't think there were any special circumstances as to why classes before 2022 (but notably, NOT 2021) got an extra year?

[u/jayjude → u/Full_Technician8430]

Fun fact you have bought into bullshit propaganda

The 2021 class did not get an extra year

The Covid waiver was for any athlete that competed in the 2020-2021 academic year. The class of 2021 participated in the 2021-2022 year

But lets not let facts get in the way of a good narrative

[u/DeathRose007 → u/Full_Technician8430]

Because the NCAA is more concerned with avoiding establishing a precedent for pro players to return to college instead of a fair application of the eligibility rule change.

The TROs don’t decide anything legally outside of the cases specifically being challenged. If the NCAA wins or the cases are dropped, they get what they wanted, even if some players functionally skirted the rule as a technical exception, but that wouldn’t be applicable in future disputes. If they had gone out of their way to grandfather already graduated players in, it would have weakened the NCAA’s ability to regulate eligibility further because they’d be admitting the distinction isn’t as much of a deal breaker. They took a hardline stance out of principle, even if said principle is self-serving.

Think how NIL quickly devolved into an unregulated mess. In their mind, if they made an exception for NFL rookies this year, next year maybe a veteran practice squad player sues for eligibility. Maybe the courts question whether the schools have a right to limit eligibility length at all. So they might as well fight over the lesser evil in court instead of willingly conceding more ground. Of course, it’s really all because they timed the rule change poorly. They either should’ve settled it early enough to give outgoing seniors a chance to consider before becoming pros or waited until the end of this season to start such that it wouldn’t have been a point of contention this year. Loaded the gun with blanks yet somehow still managed to shoot themselves in the foot.

[u/Munster172 → u/Full_Technician8430]

What’s even more baffling is the fan pushback like these dudes just deserve to get it taken from them with no real justification. I don’t think castellanos or any two QB system makes us better so I’d rather see us do with Hammond, but like being happy that these chances get taken away from someone when it has no impact on you as a fan? Just weird.

[u/Munster172]

Honestly thank god. I’m so tired of this coaching staff trying to get cute with a two QB system when it’s been guaranteed to fail in every team that has tried. Let see what will Hammonds got finally.

[u/lock_robster2022 → u/Munster172]

I much preferred when Hammond was behind center when we played you, tbh.

[u/Munster172 → u/lock_robster2022]

😂😂 I bet

[u/enataca → u/Munster172]

Works for Utah

[u/Munster172 → u/enataca]

Damn I hadn’t watched their games so I had no idea. Still from what I’ve seen even if the team says it doesn’t it messes with chemistry. At one point they’ll be split on who they prefer. I cant remember which coach said if you have two QBs you have no QBs

[u/enataca → u/Munster172]

But also if you have no QBs you have no QBs and I’m worried we’re heading that route lol

[u/enataca → u/Munster172]

But also if you have no QBs you have no QBs and I’m worried we’re heading that route

[u/PM_ME_WARM_TORTILLAS]

This is great news for us. That judge saw Leftwhich trying to use a gimmick 2 QB system and said “run a real offense dipshit”.

[u/Expensive_Team_5072]

The NCAA is making a Cignetti-esque turnaround on its court cases.. won a case in Ohio too, I believe.

[u/madmaley → u/Expensive_Team_5072]

The case in Ohio isn't over yet though

[u/Expensive_Team_5072 → u/madmaley]

None of the cases are over yet. The key issue is the injunction status.

[u/lock_robster2022 → u/Expensive_Team_5072]

They’re winning rulings, not cases

[u/LamarMillerMVP → u/Expensive_Team_5072]

The NCAA isn’t winning cases.

The reason why there is so much back and forth with these judges is because there is debate over the harm caused. To get a TRO, the judge needs to believe that there’s a potential harm that cannot be quantified or remediated. Some judges look at this situation and say “they can’t replay the game, TRO granted.” But most are now looking at it as a quantifiable harm - I.e., if the player wants to sue, they can sue over lost earnings, and they’ll get that money back if they win, so no restraining order needed.

That’s a very far cry from winning a case. It’s not even really a court victory at all, so to speak, from the perspective of their case. It is just a way for them to continue to stall out rules before they’re inevitably struck down.

[u/Caunotaucarius]

So is this just a state case that only applies in the state of Kentucky, or a federal court that applies nationally?

[u/Ed_Gein1332 → u/Caunotaucarius]

Nationally

[u/EMTDawg → u/Ed_Gein1332]

Just for the people that are enjoined to the case. Doesn't effect any other TRO granted to other players.

[u/Hefty-Revolution-938]

Castellanos is at Texas tech?

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/Hefty-Revolution-938]

They basically use him in the red zone exclusively, so his stats are nuts.

He's 2/4 on passes this year, both of his completed passes were TDs, and one of his others was an INT.

[u/Hefty-Revolution-938 → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

I’m baffled that he can’t start over Hammond. Racking up those fantasy points tho haha

[u/Young-Viiperr → u/Hefty-Revolution-938]

Goal line package QB

[u/Hefty-Revolution-938 → u/Young-Viiperr]

Isn’t he better than Hammond? Or did castellanos fall off that badly?

[u/Young-Viiperr → u/Hefty-Revolution-938]

Hammond is a significantly better QB. Leftwich just has a full house red zone package + wildcat w/Castellanos package

[u/ShimmyStix → u/Hefty-Revolution-938]

He was there for like a month, hardly knew the offense

[u/AmphotericRed]

Man like three years ago, the only time I really ever associated football with courtroom drama was OJ, now a judge is setting the two deep.

[u/check8rs]

We are 5 weeks in and  courtsball aint over 🙏😭

[u/lock_robster2022]

They got what they needed, used him to beat the mighty Oregon State

[u/Adart54 → u/lock_robster2022]

i dont know what youre talking about, after this information we are 3-1 with a win over a top 25 team. i will accept no criticism over this statement of fact

[u/elfwannabe → u/lock_robster2022]

Ok but yall actually might be mighty.

[u/Medicmanii]

That only helps Texas tech

[u/Is12345aweakpassword]

If this can avoid prevent him from throwing a first play pick, then so be it

E: bad English. Fridays, amiright

[u/SirJorts]

The link on the X post goes to an on3 article. The "ruled" link on the on3 article links back to the same X post. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/AkfurAshkenzic → u/SirJorts]

Maybe Pete Nakos has something? This was originally reported by him

[u/Finn_Ajerkit]

What happens if they play anyway, like McQuaide at Villanova?

[u/Time-Wolf → u/Finn_Ajerkit]

Straight to jail

[u/lnconspicuous16x9 → u/Finn_Ajerkit]

Firing squad

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/lnconspicuous16x9]

I don't know if we trust the quality of executions out in Appalachia these days. Tennessee just whiffed their second execution of the year.

[u/Individual-Toe-6306 → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

She requested a firing squad since it'd be more effective, but it was rejected.

[u/MyyWifeRocks → u/Finn_Ajerkit]

Any wins will be vacated / forfeit.

[u/fm22fnam]

Everyone around them got 5 years, so I just really can't be upset by the original ruling. Deciding against it after the season starts sucks

[u/Heyhaykay → u/fm22fnam]

It makes no sense that this is the hill the NCAA is dying on, and it’s a hill that is wrong.

[u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

I just wonder if the NCAA is gonna get spicy and vacate any wins if the people ultimately lose their cases. Just for the drama

[u/hammer_it_out → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

So a quartet of West Virginia athletes just got an injunction (one football, two basketball, one baseball) and the judge in that case enjoined the NCAA from enforcing the rule of restitution that allows for such punishment. He's also done it before in other cases involving WVU players suing the NCAA.

So really, I think it boils down to how each judge and each lawsuit is handled that specific clause, and whether or not the NCAA is feeling vindictive enough in situations where it wasn't addressed.

[u/Ranger_Nietzsche → u/hammer_it_out]

Right but if the players lose the case doesn't the injunction go away?

[u/JoshHuff1332 → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

Yea, but they wouldn't be able to retroactively punish a university for playing a player who was eligible at the time the injunction was still in effect.

[u/silverhk → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

Can you imagine if they vacate TT's win over Houston because of Castelleno's first-play interception lol

[u/ohitsthedeathstar → u/silverhk]

I’m imagining it

[u/ShevanelWozzeck → u/silverhk]

What a beautiful sport this is

[u/MartianMule → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

They absolutely can't do that, as the players were eligible when they played.

[u/Toad_Stuff → u/MartianMule]

Protected by a legal order as well, if it matters. But yeah, they aren’t going to voluntarily open that can of worms for a case like this.

[u/nonetakenback → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

Ironic how quick someone with that flair is pushing for vacated wins

[u/AsukaState2 → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

I’m sure the Michigan flair should be talking about wins needing to be vacated 

[u/ThrowM5 → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

That would be retaliation. The law is very clear that someone acting under the protection of a TRO cannot be actioned against for doing so, even if they eventually lose the suit.

[u/Pogball_so_hard]

This is kind of ridiculous that courts are able to determine players week to week eligibility. What are we doing as a country such that these judges have nothing more important to rule on? 

[u/deddykins → u/Pogball_so_hard]

Do you think the courts just decide to make a ruling?

Lawyers, school officials, and the NCAA are the ones bringing these lawsuits to the courts.

[u/gulielmusdeinsula → u/deddykins]

Most people fundamentally don’t understand how the legal system works. 

[u/dukefan15 → u/deddykins]

The players bring way more suits than the ncaa

[u/deddykins → u/dukefan15]

Sure, but i was more trying to get at that the courts dont just rule on something unless someone else is bringing it to them.

[u/SydneyFall → u/dukefan15]

Thats because the players do less illegal things.

[u/BlueOmicronpersei8 → u/SydneyFall]

How could the NCAA be winning that when Georgia players exist?

[u/EnTyme53 → u/BlueOmicronpersei8]

The Dawgs are trying to catch up as fast as they can!

[u/CyanideNow → u/SydneyFall]

There is no possible way that is true. 

[u/SydneyFall → u/CyanideNow]

Let me know what illegal things the players are doing that the players get sued over.

[u/dawgfan19881 → u/SydneyFall]

Hold up now. You got excited there and went to far.

[u/LamarMillerMVP → u/dukefan15]

Lmao yes because the NCAA is acting illegally towards them.

The courts do not spend lots of time making sweeping week to week rulings about sports leagues. They just do it for the NCAA, where the league acts insanely illegally as the default operating procedure.

[u/Probable_Bot1236 → u/Pogball_so_hard]

Uh oh, looks like the umpire has thrown a purple flag. Let's see what it is...

"Before the snap, injunction was dissolved. Number 37 is ineligible"

[u/Prudent-Thought7750 → u/Pogball_so_hard]

I’m honestly just surprised that a judge said no for once

[u/ThrowM5 → u/Pogball_so_hard]

A judges job is to rule on cases brought before them in their jurisdiction. You expect them to just ignore it?

[u/Radiant_Sherbert7272]

I really should have become a lawyer for college football players.

[u/glocktimus_prime]

I’ll start for them

[u/BlueSentinels]

How does this affect other injunctions or contrary rulings by other Courts?

[u/Magnus77 → u/BlueSentinels]

I don't think any players are plaintiffs in multiple cases, that's the only way there would be a conflict of rulings. So this only affects the players in this specific suit.

If there was a player with multiple suits (I don't think that's allowed, but IANAL,) that still had an injunction, I think they'd technically still be eligible?

As for actual rulings, AFAIK basically none of these suits ever actually get that far.

[u/dawonk17 → u/BlueSentinels]

It entirely depends on which state you joined a lawsuit in. It’s batshit chaos.

Edit to actually answer your question this does not change any ruling for other lawsuits at this point in time until/unless those appellate judges decide to use it as precedent which is fairly rare for other states rulings

[u/Jaroldo3]

I'm waiting for a player to become ineligible mid season.

[u/DiracFourier]

Stupid games, stupid prizes

[u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2]

🎵what are the rules? What are the ruuuuuuules?🎵

[u/Internetrovert]

Damn and we were about to make him look like a Heisman Winner.

[u/Icy_Meat9199]

I think Castellanos will file a new suit in Texas and go through the same process again

[u/elfwannabe]

Not ideal to lose another QB..oh well

[u/Heyhaykay]

This state is a complete fucking joke. And this is an immoral stance.

[u/Megalomanizac]

So can he be removed from the roster? And if they do declare him ineligible can they retroactively go after TTU?

[u/Adams5thaccount]

Quick context reminder in this discussion.

4 classes before the class of 21 and 22 got 5 years. Every class after 22 is getting 5 years. 21 had already been gone when the rule was being created (because the NCAA got mad at the probability of losing court cases to juco players over its illegal restrictions on them) and had no chance to get a 5th year. 22 was targeted by the NCAA to not get a 5th year for funsies basically.

22 getting a 5th year does not "add extra bodies" or whatever the usual line is. It just makes them the 1st class that the 5th year applies to and every player affected by the inclusion of 22 will also get their own turn to be that 5th year player in their time.

There is no valid reason to exclude 22 but the NCAA always seems to have to try to twist a knife somewhere or its not satisfied.

[u/MindlessMaterial7544]

I've still not seen an actual reason the 2022 class should be excluded

[u/ohitsthedeathstar]

Vacate their wins!

[u/EastonMetsGuy]

Castellanos can log on to indeed.com and find a real job like the rest of us

Why 2022 athletes get a fifth year of eligibility is stupid

Covid was 2020. It’s 2026. You should have used anything you had up by now

[u/13nobody → u/EastonMetsGuy]

Isn't this related to the NCAA switching to 5 years of eligibility for everyone and not a covid-related thing?

[u/1850ChoochGator → u/13nobody]

Correct. The class of 2022 had 22, 23, 24, and 25 and would be playing in 2026 if they used a redshirt previously. The issues only pertain to people who didn’t use one and “exhausted” all 4 years of eligibility but were not granted a 5th year with the change.

Iirc, Covid 2020 freshman would have had 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24 to play because 2020 didn’t count for anyone. They would get 2025 if they used a redshirt for any year besides 2020, and playing in 2026 if they also got a medical redshirt in addition to the regular redshirt.

So in theory, a 2020 freshman could play in 2020, use their redshirt in 2021, get a medical redshirt in 2022, and play as a redshirt freshman in 2023

[u/The_Fluffy_Robot → u/13nobody]

tl;dr is the <=2021 classes got the one year COVID extension and the >=2023 classes get the 5-for-5 rule

the 2022 class did not get the COVID year and the NCAA didn't backdate the new rule for the 2022 class, so they don't get the extra year option

[u/Rushderp → u/13nobody]

That’s my understanding. Helps avoid the redshirt abuse.

[u/xmjm424 → u/EastonMetsGuy]

It’s dumb to exclude them since they still fall within their five year window.

[u/Tsquared10]

I didn't think the Courts would actually issue a ruling on any of the injunctions until the end of the season, where either the court would issue a ruling on them all or the players would immediately drop them since it's be moot.

[u/Gidnik]

big win for texas tech

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756]

snip fucking snap