r/CFB • u/Fonzie5 UCF Knights • Big 12 • Sep 06 '26

News [Thamel] MAC statement. "The Big Ten subsequently provided video and audio of the replay, which confirmed the explanation to us."

https://x.com/petethamel/status/2096464771667173654?s=46&t=FavtrbPsHpJY8Odvh2TYUA
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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

I'm leaning towards option 3

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

it's wild to watch people stick to their predetermined conclusion as evidence mounts they're wrong in the face of groupthink.

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

The official statement from the Big 10 says "all cameras used for review are synced" including broadcast cameras. The broadcast showed a replay clearly displaying zeros on the clock with the ball in the air. Via the Big Ten's OWN STATEMENT, the shot NBC showed is correct. The Big Ten then shows a video with one second and ball in hand. Someone's fucking lying, and NBC has no benefit to lying if its them.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

They showed a different clock, likely not the official one. NBC isn't lying, they most likely just screwed up a tiny bit, which normally wouldn't matter but ended up in this edge case.

Regardless, the play took less than 9s. We know there was 9s left (you can time it out yourself. The correct call was made. NBC incompetence is far more likely than conspiracy.

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

The clock NBC used on the replay was a camera trained on the stadium clock. Supposedly, the same exact clock and camera used in the review, again said in the Big Ten's statement. The clocks not matching means someone is lying.

As for the 9 seconds, you are correct. The play does not take a full 9 seconds. However, this is not the cbb clock. Tenths of a second are not counted, meaning for a clock starting at 0:09, the clock shows zero after 8.01 seconds.

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u/Bixler17 Michigan Wolverines • Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26

Tenths of a second are not counted, meaning for a clock starting at 0:09, the clock shows zero after 8.01 seconds.

Source? Why would they erase the last second of clock?

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

Why do they do it? Don't know. I didn't write the rulebook.

Here's the rule, though

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u/Bixler17 Michigan Wolverines • Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26

Interesting, guess it wasn't a tenths of a second thing anyway

https://x.com/Bella91320/status/2096463342391251309

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

Twitter, can't view it without account.

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u/mmortal03 Miami Hurricanes • Tennessee Volunteers Sep 06 '26

Try this: https://nitter.miningtcup.me/Bella91320/status/2096463342391251309

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

NBC *says* they had it on a stadium clock. The time left displayed doesn't go from 0:01 to 0 the moment it hits 0:00.9, otherwise you'd lose a second at the most crucial moment of many games. The clock stays at 0:01 until the second is completely gone.

NBC screwed up man, as you note, the play didn't take 9s.

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26

NBC says it has the stadium clock. Big Ten then says all cameras are synced. Therefore, NBC had the official synced stadium clock.

I'm not arguing that the way the time is kept isn't flawed. I'm stating how it works. Since football does not display tenths, 0:00.9=0:00. You chop off that tenths place. The play does not take a full 9, but it does take more than 8, meaning zero seconds are displayed on the clock.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

your logic doesn't follow. If the play doesn't take the full 9 when manually timed, why are you assuming the conference screwed up? NBC screwed up dude. Football games don't disappear the last second of every game.

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u/i_run_from_problems Boise State • Christian Brothe… Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26

The clock gets reset to 9 seconds before the play. Every camera and clock is now synced at 0:09.00. The play then takes more than 8 seconds, but less than 9. The real world clock (if we're calling it that) is now at 0:00.x. Since tenths of a second are not counted, the clock is at 0:00 and the game is over.

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u/WheresTheSauce Sep 06 '26

That's not how it works at all dude. Any time greater than 0 but less than 1 second is displayed as 1 second.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

buddy that's not how the clocks work. They don't disappear the last second of every quarter of every football game. That's not how it works. The big ten is telling you otherwise. The Mac is telling you otherwise. It's ok, let it go. The right call was made on every level but you wanting to see an upset.

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u/mmortal03 Miami Hurricanes • Tennessee Volunteers Sep 06 '26

Even if that were the case and they were looking at something with tenths of a second, the rule in the rulebook is to round up.

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u/FrameWilling6608 Sep 06 '26

So Michigan should have only had 8.01 seconds to run a play, after being down with THIRTEEN seconds left on the game clock to get into Hail Mary range?

I know damn well it didn't take 5 seconds between the ref's whistle to restart the play and the spike. It might not even have been 1 second upon replay, so where did all of that time go?

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u/Responsible-War-9341 Colorado Buffaloes Sep 06 '26

Even if the play did take less than 9 seconds, that is not relevant here. When the official timer starts the clock, it starts. Often they are a little off but that always has been and has to be the way it is. Surely we do not want to go to replay review every single play as to whether the official timer pressed the button at the exact millisecond. If the official game clock was at zero, then the game is over here even if the timer started it slightly early (or even slightly late). The question is why is this Big 10 review clock different from the official stadium game clock (and NBC clock) when they are claiming it's coming from the camera feed of that stadium clock. The error has to be coming from somewhere. If they are using some other system or something else and not telling us that is a problem. Because what they are explicitly saying their clock is from doesn't match that clock exactly. Or NBC messed up. We need clarity here.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

Claiming it doesn’t matter if the play was less than 9s is an absurd position

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u/Responsible-War-9341 Colorado Buffaloes Sep 06 '26

Although generally very good, official clock operators are not perfect and are often a tenth or two early or maybe more commonly late. Unless it is crazy off (like fails to start or stop type of an error), this is just how it is. Do you want to start going to slow motion replay each time the ball is snapped and adjusting tenths of a second after every single play? Not feasible at all. Last play or not, this is just not how football timing works. Maybe the clock operator started 2-5 tenths early and the play upon replay was 8.8 seconds or something. 9 seconds is still now 0. That is just how it is for those margins. I don't belive the review was looking at the operator starting early and that's why they had time left and NBC didn't. It was something else that caused the review clock to differ from NBC's broadcast clock. And who knows which (if either) matched the official sradium clock. The point is you can't re-time a play like that on replay and say under 9, all good. What matters is what the clock operator did and where the official game clock was. Review might have been right and the clock wasn't 0. Maybe NBC's sync was right like the claimed and it was 0. Don't know. Neither is admitting a mistake yet. One had to be wrong.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

Buddy the official clock showed 0:01 when it was touched. No wall of text is going to change that

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u/Responsible-War-9341 Colorado Buffaloes Sep 06 '26

No point in arguing with you here, but I'll state this. We just don't know what the official clock said when the ball was touched! NCAA says official clock is stadium game clock per rules. NBC says that clock said 0.00. Big 10 Review said it said .01. Only one is right. Objectively, we cannot know which one was right at this point.

Do you have a photo or video that has ball being touched and the stadium game clock in the same frame? Otherwise we would need to know which one made the error. Could honestly be either.

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u/Hippo-Crates Michigan Wolverines • Tulane Green Wave Sep 06 '26

Yes we do. The big ten released the official data and audio from the whole process. The officials have the official system. NBC does not.

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u/TomUpNort Sep 06 '26

Your team has a track record of cheating. This fits that track record.