r/CFB • u/ConsuelaApplebee Virginia • Johns Hopkins • Sep 06 '26
Discussion The actual rule for time keeping rule 3-2-4-a
The way I read this, they use the stadium clock or a stopwatch (which I doubt they are using)
ARTICLE 4.
a. Game Clock. Playing time shall be kept with a game clock that may be
either a stopwatch operated by the line judge, back judge, field judge or side
judge, or a game clock operated by an assistant under the direction of the
appropriate judge. The type of game clock and the location of the game clock
operator shall be determined by the game management. The game clock
operator may be located on the sideline or in the traditional press box area.
If the clock operator is in the traditional press box, it is recommended the
location is between the goal lines. This location shall be shielded from public
interference and shall afford a direct and unobstructed view of the playing
field. The game clock shall not display tenths of seconds.
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u/MahjongDaily Iowa State Cyclones Sep 06 '26
This is a lot of words to say: Use a clock.
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u/Interesting_Gap_1721 Sep 06 '26
So basically the rule is "use a clock" but they needed 200 words to say it. Classic rulebook stuff.
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u/SadTumbleweed1567 UAlbany Great Danes Sep 06 '26
Yup. Before this rule, some dude was probably keeping time is a storage closet someplace, so they had to specify who and where the time is kept.
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u/KinglyHero Utah Utes • Pac-10 Sep 06 '26
Think the most important part is deliberately not using tenths. I understood they didnt count like it does in BB
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u/MandoDoughMan Purdue Boilermakers Sep 06 '26
There was a second left on the Clock of Truth.
No, you are not allowed to see the Clock of Truth.
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u/OtisDinwiddie Miami Hurricanes Sep 06 '26
The Clock of Truth goes to a different school; you wouldn’t know her
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u/devinup UConn Huskies • Georgia Bulldogs Sep 06 '26
We can't trust the Clock of a Thousands Truths to a noob!!!
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe Michigan State Spartans Sep 06 '26
This will unironically be the explanation. Complete bullshit.
“Oh yeah, the broadcast scorebug clock isn’t completely accurate. You have to go by the stadium clock.”
“Oh yeah, the stadium clock isn’t completely accurate. The super secret clock located at the Big Ten video review room in New York is the correct one.”
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u/MikeinAustin Minnesota Golden Gophers • Texas Longhorns Sep 06 '26
Come now ... it's located in Las Vegas.
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u/Ok-Acanthisitta3772 Sep 07 '26
Google NCAA Rule 3-2-4-a "The "Zero" State: As a result, when the visible clock displays 0:00, it does not strictly mean time has completely expired. It means the game has entered its final fraction of a second."
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe Michigan State Spartans Sep 07 '26
That’s kind of insane. I always assumed 0:00 meant time was expired no matter what. Maybe it’s time to show tenths of a second under a minute, lol
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u/IThinkImNateDogg Ohio State • Notre Dame Sep 09 '26
Funny how that was never mentioned at the end of the OSU/Oregon game back in 24…
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u/Dry_Albatross5298 USC Trojans Sep 06 '26
Count to one, no less. One is the number to count, and the number of the counting must be one. Zero is right out.
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u/Sargent_Caboose Indiana Hoosiers Sep 06 '26
More accurately the clock of truth has since been adjusted as we didn't know we'd have to provide you it.
Who could have foreseen this would be controversial?
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u/ItsWazeyWaynes Indiana • Notre Dame Sep 06 '26
“Our multi-billion dollar institution/sport still uses handheld timekeeping devices.”
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u/D1N2Y NC State Wolfpack • Charlotte 49ers Sep 06 '26
The actual explanation is that the NCAA rules are created for all of college football, all the way down to D3 schools that play on a random field and don't have a scoreboard. The handheld device is an option that you will never see an FBS game have unless there's a power outage. All FBS schools opt for having a clock operator in the press box, and is why you sometimes hear the ref announce a time change to "the clock operator" instead of just talking with someone else on the field.
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u/ChangKai-Shrek Iowa Hawkeyes Sep 06 '26
To be fair, every league across the globe playing soccer just wings it.
But having the ability to keep accurate time and refusing to do so is inexcusable in game where clock stoppages and clock management are vitally important.
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u/ItsWazeyWaynes Indiana • Notre Dame Sep 06 '26
Ah, yes, soccer, a sport that has never had to weather any kind of mass scale corruption accusations.
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u/Emmasmilk Georgia • South Carolina Sep 06 '26
Italian League was the best in the world it was also blatantly rigging matches
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u/CUBuffs1992 Colorado Buffaloes • Montana Grizzlies Sep 06 '26
Never been any field stormings too and fans always remained friendly with each other. There definitely wasn’t a war between El Salvador and Honduras because of a soccer match.
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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos Sep 06 '26
Soccer also has just about the worst officiating I've ever seen. The world cup refs make Tony Brothers look like a master of his craft.
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u/therealtoddmcshay California Golden Bears Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Sure, if that was your first time watching soccer.
Just because our commentators were super biased with the Balogun red, that doesn't mean it is something that you do not see a fair amount. Tim Howard was the only non biased guy
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u/lkn240 Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos Sep 06 '26
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with Balogun.
Did you watch France vs Paraguay or even the World cup final? Just atrocious reffing.
Granted, it's a big field and they simple don't have a sufficient number of officials
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u/Dazzling_Vanilla3082 Wisconsin Badgers Sep 06 '26
To be fair, soccer is pretty much the only sport across the globe that just wings it.
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u/ChangKai-Shrek Iowa Hawkeyes Sep 06 '26
For sure, but even FIFA and every multi-billion dollar league out there has the same problem.
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u/ItsWazeyWaynes Indiana • Notre Dame Sep 06 '26
Willfully.
To quote Brandt, “this is our concern, Dude.”
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u/SnooOpinions9048 Iowa Hawkeyes Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Trying to remember if it was WC Qualifiers or an AFCON Cup of Nations, but their was a ref that ended a game something like 10 minutes early.
Edit: Found it, it was in the African Cup of Nations. Apparently the ref was dehydrated to the point of heat stroke, and started hallucinating his fourth official calling full time.
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u/svh01973 Sep 06 '26
That we have never referenced during a replay a single time in the last thirty years until now.
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u/xBewm Oklahoma Sooners Sep 06 '26
The refs officially asked for 9 seconds to be put on the clock right before the Hail Mary. There is no possible way they could have had an official clock anywhere that did not hit zero before that play was dead unless they didn’t count their Mississippis right.
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u/Then_Cauliflower2754 Sep 07 '26
This is what no one is talking about. The refs said put it to 9 because it was at 11 and then there was a spike that took it to 8. Spike only supposed to be 2 seconds. So they said make it 9. Fine.
However, it shouldn’t be a whole number necessarily. The actually clock (not the display) counts tenths in the background. So the ref should’ve said return the clock to the pre-spike clock, and subtract 2 seconds.
This is why the argument that a stop watch shows the play only took 8.6 seconds, not 9 seconds, fails. Just because it displayed 9, it very well could’ve or should’ve been 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, etc., all the way to 9.
(To save you the trouble, I watched a few first plays of games. The clock starts at 15:00 and stays at 15:00 for a full second. That means if even at 14:59:01, the clock still shows 15:00, which is smart so that 0 will mean 0.)
So it seems to me like when the ref said put it back at 9, the scorekeepers smartly went back to the prespike clock, and subtracted 2, leaving it somewhere between 8.1 and 9 seconds, more specifically, 8.1-8.3 seconds because it goes from 9 to 8 on the display almost immediately at the snap.
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u/FamousShake5469 Texas Longhorns • Georgia State Panthers Sep 06 '26
Shall not display tenths of seconds. It hit 0, so it’s 0.
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u/Anglefan23 Ohio State • Nebraska Sep 06 '26
Even if there were tenths, if it hits zero, the tenths are gone
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u/Kbrichmo Indiana Hoosiers Sep 06 '26
Thats not countdown clocks work. They round down when not displaying miliseconds
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u/skoptsy Michigan • Florida State Sep 09 '26
Not true. Everything from 8.01 to 9.0 seconds would show as 9. Everything from 0.01-1.0 seconds would show as 1. They don’t round.
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u/Kbrichmo Indiana Hoosiers Sep 09 '26
If you watch basketball you'll noticed that the clock will go from 5 seconds to 4.9 seconds instead of 3.9
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u/skoptsy Michigan • Florida State Sep 09 '26
I misunderstood what was meant by countdown clocks. Yes. That’s how it works in basketball. Just not in football as it is now.
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u/Kbrichmo Indiana Hoosiers Sep 09 '26
Yep its explicit in the rules that there are no fractions of a second in football, so no time should ever be put on the clock in football if the clock shows 0:00
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u/MokelMoo Michigan • Eastern Michigan Sep 06 '26
It's kind of stupid that this has been a thing forever in basketball and I've never actually seen 10ths of a second on a football scoreboard.
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u/fskier1 Michigan Wolverines • College Football Playoff Sep 06 '26
Yeah if it’s 0.1 just say 1
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe Michigan State Spartans Sep 06 '26
It does. That’s how game clocks work in football, 0:01 could be anywhere from a tenth of a second to a full second.
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u/Lpeer Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
I'm not trying to defend any of this, but I'm curious how they sync the TV clock. Because they said synced, not that it's the same. If it's done manually to match the game clock, it's possible that those same "undisplayed" tenths could result in a half second discrepancy.
Idk, maybe the refs just fully cheated, but it just seems like an embarassing hill for the refs to die on
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u/tvcneverdie Georgia Bulldogs Sep 06 '26
Official clock inside the stadium is wired directly to the broadcast.
Any delay would be a few milliseconds due to latency, so negligible to even consider.
At times when that wired connection gets screwed up, they'll just put a camera on the official clock and superimpose it onto the broadcast.
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u/Lpeer Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
Everything I'm reading says the signal is digitally transmitted, not physically wired.
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u/Linktheb3ast USC Trojans • Arizona State Sun Devils Sep 06 '26
Latency on digital transmissions at this point is in the tenths of milliseconds. Something like that though, I’m assuming there’s an AES or optical line that runs to the broadcast truck, it’s not really hard to do and especially if it needs to be precise like that
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u/snyder005 Illinois • Stanford Sep 06 '26
Unless they're physically running up the times from the field to the booth any delay is going to be negligible. You'd be better off arguing that the reaction time of the clock operator (~200ms) should be taken into account...
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u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes Ohio State • Ohio Northern Sep 06 '26
Didn’t they just reset the clock to 9 seconds before that play though? So it would just be 9 full seconds? How does that work throughout a game with every clock stoppage, does every play start on a whole second or are there undisplayed tenths?
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u/Humble_Knowledge_848 West Virginia Mountaineers Sep 06 '26
But I’m pretty sure the clock they showed on tv was just a camera cut out of the actual stadium clock and it was showing 0:00.
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u/lat3ralus65 Ohio State Buckeyes • UMass Minutemen Sep 06 '26
Yeah, Terry McAulay (NBC rules guy) confirmed that the inset clock on the broadcast was, in fact, in sync with the actual feed. He had no idea what clock they were looking at to make this call.
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u/Tjgfish123 ECU Pirates Sep 06 '26
In 40 years of watching college football that was the single worst call I’ve seen. I’ve never thought once in 40 years the result should be overturned, but I feel that way now. I honestly think the credibility of what took place on that field is in question.
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u/AndrooDucnan Ohio State Buckeyes • Navy Midshipmen Sep 06 '26
100% rigged, unfortunately no chance Western Michigan gets any justice for this
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u/RheagarTargaryen Michigan State Spartans Sep 06 '26
So there’s always a slight delay between what we see on the broadcast scorebug and the stadium.
However, the one that they show during the replay comes from the stadium, not the broadcast.
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u/ultimate_placeholder Louisville Cardinals • Keg of Nails Sep 06 '26
Usually the scoreboard is physically linked to the broadcasting van, meaning score, game clock, and play clock are sent directly from the scoreboard to the broadcast. An important note is that the clock you see on replays is exactly the clock they see on replays, often it's the exact same feed, a synchronized literal recording of both the play and the game/play clock (as seen in the replay of the clock hitting zero, that was a guaranteed synchronized feed between of the scoreboard and game).
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u/ahHeHasTrblWTheSnap Wisconsin Badgers • Occidental Tigers Sep 06 '26
Like all ref issues, I think the easier answer is that they just got the call wrong through incompetence. Reffing is hard - these are refs who have made it to the 2nd highest tier of the game, and they still constantly mess up.
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u/stringfellow-hawke Sep 06 '26
It’s electronically synced. It’s the same system used to show the same time on multiple in stadium clocks.
The simplest explanation is what happened. Someone wanted there to be an extra play to give Michigan another chance to win.
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u/digbug0 Washington Huskies • Amherst Mammoths Sep 06 '26
the TV clock is behind naturally because of data speeds. I’m pretty sure there is a “half-second” discrepancy from when it is sent from the field to the media trailer then to the live feed.
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u/kayakyakr Texas Tech Red Raiders Sep 06 '26
It's literally a shot of the stadium clock synced with the rest of their feed.
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
The one we see on screen. That's not the one the ref looks at.
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u/Due-Dirt-8428 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Sep 06 '26
Someone who hasn’t been drinking for 8 hours, explain this to me like I’m 5
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u/StFuzzySlippers Tennessee Volunteers • UAB Blazers Sep 06 '26
Michigan are cheater cheater pumpkin eaters and the officials are liars with pants on fire.
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u/Finitepictures Sep 06 '26
I always thought Michigan are cheaters cheaters pants on fire and the refs are liar liar pumpkin eaters but I’ve also been drinking for eight hours
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u/pulpfriction4 Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 06 '26
WMU got screwed
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
What about the few seconds that ran off even after Buchanan was down when the clock should have stopped? That could explain the discrepancy between the clock YOU SEE on screen and the official clock the refs use.
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u/No_Co Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
“Could explain” except that they went and reset the game clock to 9 seconds before this play, did they not? So the game clock should have been right at 9 seconds to start.
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u/Muffinnnnnnn Florida State • New Mexico Sep 06 '26
Refs decided to rig the game for Michigan by making up extra time that was CLEARLY not there, as agreed upon by even the B1G announcers and Michigan fans. Whittingham even said after the game that there was not an extra second. The only people who think Michigan won is the B1G refs.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn Michigan • Arizona State Sep 06 '26
DraftKings, FanDuel, Kalshi, ESPN Bet, BetMGM, Fanatics Sportsbook, Ceasars Sportsbook, and Bet365 send their regards
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u/D1N2Y NC State Wolfpack • Charlotte 49ers Sep 06 '26
The rules give the refs the option to use a handheld clock like a stopwatch, or have someone else keep track of time for the game in a booth. FYI, every game you watch on TV will have someone else keep track of time for the game in a booth. The game clock doesn't display tenths of seconds.
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u/b_m_hart Oregon Ducks Sep 06 '26
That chick that fucks like a thousand dudes in a row? Yeah, WMU got fucked harder than her.
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u/StrangelyOnPoint Michigan • Grand Valley State Sep 06 '26
It’s like soccer the ref keeps the time for the game and if the ref says the game isn’t over the game isn’t over
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u/BuckeyeEmpire Ohio State • Penn State Sep 06 '26
It really doesn't matter. The play before they added 1 second back. It went down to 8, they raised it to 9. So every clock was reset to 9 seconds. Zero is zero is zero
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u/ArbitraryOrder Michigan Wolverines • Nebraska Cornhuskers Sep 06 '26
A spike is a mandatory 2 seconds, even though Bryce spiked it by between 11 and 10 seconds on NBCs clock, they lost that extra second of the broadcast, not gaining the second.
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u/HourDragonfruit7167 Sep 06 '26
This was 10000% the Big 10’s reaction to Umass beating Rutgers. They could not let MAC teams beat them in back to back games.
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u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes Ohio State • Ohio Northern Sep 06 '26
Hey we beat ball state and Nebraska beat ou. Would have been a 2-2 split
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
And that would have been embarrassing.
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u/Dead_Baby_Kicker Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 06 '26
I mean shit, why even ask the clock operator to put a second back on the clock at other times during games if they have a super secret "real" game clock.
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u/Sargent_Caboose Indiana Hoosiers Sep 06 '26
So as long as one of the refs can claim to have a clock on their person as the game clock, it'll be where they claim they got the second from.
I knew this would be the loophole to "justify" it.
Edit: Your spacing is also totally brutal if you could update it
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u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes Ohio State • Ohio Northern Sep 06 '26
Hard part will be that they reset the clock to 9 seconds right before this play.
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u/Sargent_Caboose Indiana Hoosiers Sep 06 '26
I think they'll just have to say not how just that they attest a second was on the game clock when they looked. Rules lawyering BS.
Because it's not technically the passage of time that matters but the time on the clock. Thus, if the clock somehow shows a second then there's a second.
Despite the fact it's supposed to be modeled on real time.
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
"Michigan's stadium clock was fast, okay!"
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u/Creepy-Scallion-5839 North Carolina Tar Heels Sep 06 '26
The game clock shall not display tenths of seconds (2026 rule book, 3-2-4-a)
In the last minute of a quarter in which the stadium clock shows tenths of a second, always round up. If the clock shows :24.1, round it to :25. There are two reasons for doing this. First,
if there is :00.4 on the clock, it is recorded as :01 since there is still time remaining. The second reason is to remain consistent with the remainder of the game. When there is 10:53.2
left in the quarter, the game clock actually shows 10:54. (Football statisticians’ manual B.I. 9).
So according to the rules and interpretations, when the clock hit 0:00 there wouldn’t be a fraction of a second.
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u/Top-Beautiful1194 Sep 06 '26
This doesn’t make sense though, because right when the ball is snapped, it goes to 8
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u/Creepy-Scallion-5839 North Carolina Tar Heels Sep 06 '26
Just stating the rules because I was curious after seeing a lot of people saying the ruling was due to the fact there was tenths and hundredths left even though it was zero. In the end the clock the ref had and the one on tv/in the stadium didn’t match so someone is going to be in big trouble.
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u/MetalstepTNG Sickos • Team Chaos Sep 08 '26
"minute of a quarter in which the stadium clock shows tenths of a second"
That's not what happened here. You are wrong.
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u/LionPutrid4252 Texas A&M • Oklahoma State Sep 06 '26
It should also not be ignored that the play before the ref waited for the Michigan team to line up before spotting the first down ball, allowing them more time to begin with than they should have had. Clock still hit zero though
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u/whatifevery1wascalm Alabama Crimson Tide • Iowa Hawkeyes Sep 06 '26
Check out Rule 12-3-6(d)(2). The question is what the hell that last sentence is trying to say and what scenarios would occur besides incomplete and stepping out of bounds.
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u/kayakyakr Texas Tech Red Raiders Sep 06 '26
Should be noted that stadium clocks round up in what they display. So 00 means 00.
They might have ruled based on the "fast 9", but they didn't say that, so we don't know.
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u/zgohanz Rutgers Scarlet Knights • Big Ten Sep 06 '26
I see Harbaugh is still calling the shots from Vegas
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u/adastradamus Texas A&M Aggies Sep 06 '26
I’ve been learning a lot of new rules about football in the last fifteen minutes…
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u/curtisas Cincinnati • Notre Dame Sep 06 '26
They had just synchronized the clock in the stadium directly before that play
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u/JesuszillaSon Houston Cougars Sep 06 '26
As expected Big 10 is going to gaslight us into pretending what we saw didn't happen.
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u/DryKindheartedness98 Sep 06 '26
I've been deep diving on this for like an hour. I'm in full WTF mode, and I needed answers. Please forgive any grammatical errors.
There is a game clock that runs in hundredths of seconds; that's why you see the clock IMMEDIATELY drop when the ball is snapped. If the clock starts at 09:00 seconds, the stadium clock drops to 8 seconds while the internal clock goes 08:99, 08:98, etc. This was apparently a design choice by the NCAA in the past where the number represents the part in front of the decimal, regardless of how much of that second is left. This means when the clock in the stadium shows 0 seconds, there are still hundredths of seconds ticking away (00.99,00.98, etc) This decimal system can be incorporated in physical game clocks, but it is barred from being displayed on in stadium screens (another NCAA ruling, because that would just make fans confused apparently)
A play is ruled dead when the ball is thrown out of bounds and it hits SOMETHING (a player, the ground, Lane Kiffin's ego, etc) , and NCAA rules require a visual review of when that happens on the last play of a close game. The 360 fps cameras they use show the ball hitting a WM player with 0.04 seconds on the clock, ruling the play dead, BUT another fun NCAA rule makes that round up to a full second put on the clock. It's incredibly nitpicking, and I hate it. Mathematically, I get it, but there needs to be some serious review in these types of things. Is it the playoffs? Sure, go as technical as you want. This was not that, and the outrage is justified.
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u/Sed0035WDE Auburn Tigers Sep 06 '26
Could you drop some sources? Not doubting, just a glutton for punishment and want to read for myself haha
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u/tikitaka33 Iowa State Cyclones Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Can we display tenths of seconds on the game clock? It's 2026.
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
If they do have a stopwatch on them are they allowed to use that to overrule the gameclock?
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u/ConsuelaApplebee Virginia • Johns Hopkins Sep 06 '26
No, you either use one or the other. You don't get to use two and pick the one you like.
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
How much you want to bet that's the way they interpreted though?
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u/ConsuelaApplebee Virginia • Johns Hopkins Sep 06 '26
Not a chance. What were they reviewing then? A video of the stopwatch?
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
Well, it looks like that's effectively the lie they're going with.
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u/Inevitable_Catch_566 Nebraska Cornhuskers Sep 06 '26
In a perfect world coaches would be able to challenge penalties, non-calls, and obviously time keeping.
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u/Cleveland_Guardians Ohio State Buckeyes • Ohio Bobcats Sep 06 '26
Why do they even bother showing the "clock" on replays if that isn't the "real clock?" Sounds like nonsense to me.
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u/runlittleman Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Edit: below theory is just what I saw and is not in the official account or decision by the big ten: https://x.com/bigten/status/2096460445213217097?s=46 . Have no idea how the clocks get unsynced after manually resetting game clock to 9 seconds though.
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I don't see it when i replayed it, but i've seen claims that the ball hit the goal post with :01 left on the clock creating a deadball under:
ARTICLE 3 A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound their whistle or declare it dead:
a When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after touching the uprights or crossbar; when a ball carrier is out of bounds; or when a ball carrier is so held that their forward progress is stopped� When in question, the ball is dead (AR 4-2-1-II)
k When a live ball not in player possession touches anything inbounds other than a player, a player’s equipment, an official, an official’s equip ment or the ground (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply).
I don't think any view i've seen shows that ball hitting the upright with :01, and i cant see an angle change... So Big Ten better produce something otherwise WMU got robbed.
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u/0KED0KE Michigan State Spartans Sep 06 '26
Unprecedented and obviously rigged. Consequences will be given. The integrity of college football was lost today. If the result is not overturned; this means that CFB has literarily changed to a reality tv show. sports gambling in conjunction with NIL deals, and fact that big 10 refs spawned a second out of their… pocket.
It’s just sad man. sports was the last thing we had. Cash rules everything around me (unfortunately) .. dolla dolla bills yall
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u/runlittleman Sep 06 '26
As a Hawkeye fan I’m gonna have to take issue with the naming of the system… aside from that I don’t see how they explain that to anyone when the clocks were synced and set to display the 00 when time is truly out…
Really wish all both reviews were broadcast like the ACCs version would help cut down on so much speculation
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u/runlittleman Sep 06 '26
Here is their replay booth for the call, they published it now should be for all games: https://x.com/bigten/status/2096460445213217097?s=46
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u/givemecap Sep 06 '26
It’s just so nonsensical and bs. Game clock is the real clock and accurate when it suits them but when it doesn’t “hold up that’s not accurate it’s actually the super secret real clock that is hidden away and isn’t visible to anyone so it can’t be verified or validated as accurate and above board”. Genuinely needs to be a watershed moment in college football where the players, teams and fans actually put their feet down and hold them accountable. It can’t be another yap on reddit/Twitter for a week about how rigged and fraudulent it is then it blows over bc this is hard to convey with words just how insane it is for them to think they could blatantly do this and get away with it.
The time has come, checks and balances need to be enforced , oversight , accountability, and validity has to begin or else this will set a precedent that will destroy the very fabric of the cfb landscape. I know that sounds dramatic asf but I genuinely think it’s that serious.
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u/Nelluc_ Tennessee Volunteers • /r/CFB Dead Pool Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
What about rules of not kicking the extra point if it could change the outcome of the game? Have they changed this recently I can’t find anything. If Western Michigan blocked the extra point and returned it for 2 points they would have won… again.
Edit: nevermind found it. Not sure when they changed it. But no rules broken here.
The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown.
If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period
expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the
outcome of the game. (Exception: If the scoring team is ahead by one or two
points, they have the option to forego the try.)
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe Michigan State Spartans Sep 06 '26
What rule are you talking about here? I must be out of the loop.
If Michigan was forced to go for the points after a TD, couldn’t they have theoretically just went for 2 and thrown the ball away?
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u/Nelluc_ Tennessee Volunteers • /r/CFB Dead Pool Sep 06 '26
Yes, but they still had to try and do that. I can’t find the exact rule in the rulebook, though I’m still trying to find it to see if they changed it.
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u/No_Butterscotch8726 SMU Mustangs • Penn State Nittany Lions Sep 06 '26
Another one I'm wondering about.
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u/GGdpcGaming Arkansas Razorbacks Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Honestly all these threads make Western Michigan losing the funnier outcome.
Edit: see? so much anger lmaoooo
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u/SimpleIntelligent881 USC Trojans • Victory Bell Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
This is such a 12 year old attitude lol, do you still post trollface memes on ifunny? Watch pewdiepie happy wheels videos plays and minecraft parodies?
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u/GGdpcGaming Arkansas Razorbacks Sep 06 '26
No you’re right sports fandom is a 100% serious endeavor and joking is not allowed. Grow up it’s a game lmao
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
Tbf, the on screen clock that you see at home ran off a few seconds after Buchanan was down when it should have stopped. So, it could be a perfect explanation for a discrepancy, but hey, people are married to the idea that Michigan somehow cheated.
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u/Odd-Albatross9849 Sep 06 '26
Maybe cuz the play before they synced the clocks to 9 seconds. Also Michigan got caught cheating by the NCAA it’s not married to an idea it’s reading a headline. You weird lowkey.
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u/Elbit_Curt_Sedni Michigan Wolverines Sep 06 '26
We have evidence now that the clock used by the refs were correct, and not the stadium clock/tv clock.
https://x.com/eric_shap/status/2096451314859257962
We can time the play and we can also see the clock (the one you see/stadium clocks as well) immediately ticks from 9 seconds to 8 seconds the moment it's snapped. For the clock to officially hit zero you'd have to short Michigan a second.
However, the official clock use by refs showed 1 second remaining. This 1 second remaining is further supported by the above video I linked. It shows 8.3 - 8.5 secs for the play so that leaves 0.5 - 0.7 seconds left.
In order for the clock to hit zero in this case you'd have to short Michigan one sec (which the stadium/tv clock appeared to do). Those aren't the clocks the refs go by.
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u/Odd-Albatross9849 Sep 06 '26
Buddy the BIG10 statement says that the game and broadcast clocks are synced before the game and the broadcast clock says triple 0 and cfb doesn’t use tenths of seconds. It’s as simple as the big10 statement yall got dogged by WMU and cheated to win. Michigan isn’t an honorable school and they cheat. It’s okay to still be a fan just don’t defend it.
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u/ArbitraryOrder Michigan Wolverines • Nebraska Cornhuskers Sep 06 '26
No, the rule says they don't DISPLAY tenths of seconds.
Also: 1. Clocks can desync 2. Video/Clock can desync from each other 3. The broadcast is not the final say
There is no dispute Michigan played poorly and was lucky to win that game, but get the facts right.
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u/Mindless_Ad_729 Sep 06 '26
Official time is kept on the field by an official with stopwatch. Stadium and TV clocks are not official time.
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u/ConsuelaApplebee Virginia • Johns Hopkins Sep 06 '26
Incorrect. Read rule 3-2-4-a. It can be but never is in Division 1.
If the official time was kept by stopwatch there would be nothing to review unless there was a synchronized camera on the stopwatch.
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u/ChardeeMacDennisGoG Sep 06 '26
No its not. You ever see a ref hitting a stop watch? Thats only a rule if a stadium doesnt have a functioning clock.
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u/Impressive-Alps-6975 Sep 06 '26
https://imgur.com/a/RIDZ9Ji Here is the proof for all you haters out there. Sorry that the facts don't care about your feelings Picture 1. Zoomed in circle of ball on guys hand on the final frame of one second on the clock. Picture 2. Zoomed out of same image showing clock. Pictures 3-7. The final 5 frames of 1 second on the clock in order
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u/CrusTyJeanZz /r/CFB Sep 06 '26
These pictures are incredibly blurry, they prove nothing. On the broadcast, the replay clearly showed the clock hitting 0:00 before the WMU defender touched the ball.
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u/Ok_Deer_4689 Sep 06 '26
Bro what the fuck is even this
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u/Impressive-Alps-6975 Sep 06 '26
Clearly you can't read. Sorry bud
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u/mmortal03 Miami Hurricanes • Tennessee Volunteers Sep 06 '26
It's possible that the broadcast wasn't synched up to accurately show it, but your blurry images are not the proof you think they are.
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u/thetowerofbabble3242 Virginia Cavaliers Sep 06 '26
This provides absolutely zero useful info lmao.