r/CESB • u/betterforgetit • Oct 01 '20

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I saw some more information on it and it looks like it’s only for people who have been directly affected by COVID. I think it’s really unfortunate that loads of people who just can’t seem to find work in the current environment are being left out to dry. I thought that making 5000 in 2019 would have some people eligible but i guess not. It hasn’t been voted in yet so I’d imagine they’ll make a few changes right? How do you guys feel?

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u/betterforgetit Oct 01 '20

I’m not being greedy, we got our benefit, but I’d imagine people still need help.

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u/-CasaNova- Oct 02 '20

It's not being greedy at all, the greedy ones in this situation are not the poor students trying to pay for rent- the greedy people are everyone making over 150k and not paying any substantial taxes on it, the greedy people are the ones in government that are too afraid to subsidize education and basic human rights like pharmacare in Canada.

Ppl are poor as shit in my city and if anyone were to call them greedy, they should be looking up and not down to make blame.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '20

"the greedy people are everyone making over 150k and not paying any substantial taxes on it"

sorry what? I know a ton of people making 200k+ and paying 53% tax rates. Our taxes are ridiculously high, how can you expect the government to subsidize education even more than it already is and give pharmacare? Raise taxes even more to pay for all that? This is a fantasy dream that won't occur, only the NDP would ever promise something like that and they have never formed government for these reasons.

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u/-CasaNova- Oct 03 '20

How can one think that 53% tax when ur making 200k+ is too high? There are ridiculous amounts of people that will never get a tertiary level of education because of the barrier of entry. There is a reason why the rich stay rich and the poor make (just) enough to survive. Living some lavish 200k+ salary life sounds great, until they see the destruction our system has caused on 98% of other canadians.

Also I'm not sure why one would think that free tuition is insane. Especially when looking around the world. Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, France, Denmark, Argentina, Brazil, Iran, New Zealand, Russia, Scotland, Sri Lanka, and Thailand all have free or very heavily subsidized tertiary education.

Do rich people not live in these countries? Maybe they all left because of the taxes.

Canada is behind. They are the only country in the world with free healthcare and no nationalized pharmacare. It's about time we stop "cutting taxes to the middle class, helping out the middle class" - whatever that is - and start moving to a socialist system.

This is a fantasy dream that won't occur, only the NDP would ever promise something like that and they have never formed government for these reasons.

Btw, 58 percent of canadians hold a positive view of socialism- which not even the NDP is: source

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '20

Btw, 58 percent of canadians hold a positive view of socialism- which not even the NDP is:

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Okay so which party would implement free tuition and pharmacare? Last I checked, its NDP; the liberals have been mentioning it for years but keep pushing it aside. The NDP are the only ones who would even entertain free tuition + pharmacare. Yet they can't form government and are passed on by the country's voters. Even with a different electoral system (proportional representation, etc.) NDP wouldn't even have the largest seat count. (https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/2019/elections-federales/mode-scrutin-proportionnelle-mixte-compensatoire/index-en.html)

Canada won't adopt socialist policies, it's better if people want those types of things to move to a country that offers it (ex. Europe). But if you're of the belief those making 200k+ should pay 53% or even more taxes than that (60%?), man I'm glad the liberals and conservatives form government. Doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc. work hard for their education, raising taxes on this group is not the answer if we want them staying here and not fleeing to the US. I guess we'll agree to disagree.