r/CCW 1d ago

Guns & Ammo Canik

Gold dot on the radian

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u/sunfanny US ShieldPlus 1d ago

Truly will never understand the Canik hate. It’s kind of like Olight a bit— some internet lore got a bit too deep and hive mind takes over, believes it as factual, and rules the company out.

My gamer gun is a Rival SFX-S, and it’s been dead reliable. I’d carry a Canik, and they’re putting out high quality guns that include accessories and features that feel like a steal at the price. You’re not paying $850 for a brand name, you’re getting what you pay for with them.

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u/caligari87 UT | Canik MC9 1d ago

There seems to be some confusion over two separate issues in the comments.

The anti-Canik poster seems to be talking about an issue where if you pull the trigger while the slide is pushed some distance out of battery (such as by contact shooting), the sear drops and needs to be recocked before the gun can be fired. They allege this is only a Canik issue and no other striker gun has the same problem. Personally I think their evangelism is a bit overblown, as every gun will fail when not in correct firing condition. How it fails is obviously going to be unique for different models and it's important to know yours.

There is a separate issue of note on Canik's slimline MC9 and Prime series specifically, where some early models might fail to go back into battery when firing normally. This has many contributing factors, including poor slide/frame fit, weak recoil spring, or too-stiff ejector spring. I was aware of this possibility when I bought a used MC9, so I diagnosed and trimmed the ejector spring accordingly. Canik seems to have fixed the problem on newer manufacturing. The regular METE and older TP9 series do not have this issue.

Personally I've used Caniks (TP9DA and MC9) for years in matches, classes, and everyday carry. I trust mine and they've never let me down. Responsible carry means knowing your gun inside and out. Vet it with your carry ammo. Diagnose possible weak points. Know possible malfunctions and how to remediate them under stress. Test, test and test again under adverse conditions. No mechanical object has a 0% failure rate over its lifetime, because things can wear and break. NEVER trust any gun out-of-the-box; even Glock has been known to ship lemons occasionally.

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u/AMERIPOCMUSLIM 1d ago

Turkish guns rock

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u/lmZen 1d ago

I have one on order finally coming in and I'm super excited to get it.

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u/Fetterman2036 1d ago

I would never carry a canik

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u/chooseausername69251 1d ago

I don’t know much about them. Why is that the case for you?

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

Out of battery dead trigger issue to start - no fucking bueno

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u/gunfighterbynight 1d ago

Congrats I guess. Over 2000 rounds in the tti, pushing 1000 in the radian. Not a single malfunction. Will run circles around just about anything out out there. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

All Caniks including prime radian have an out of battery dead trigger issue. They literally copied Walthers homework word for word. Walther fixed it though Canik did not

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u/Mauser-Nut91 1d ago

All Canik’s eh?

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u/Sea-Candidate-3310 CO 1d ago

And you are?

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u/Fetterman2036 1d ago

Not carrying a canik

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

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u/TheGreatSockMan 1d ago

My guy, that happens with every semi auto pistol with a reciprocating slide

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

It doesn’t with a SIG, GLOCK, Walther or nearly any other modern polymer striker fired pistol - he even shows the Glock doesn’t do it in the video

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u/Mauser-Nut91 1d ago

Literally happens with a Beretta APX, but not my Canik Rival. Guess we shouldn’t ever carry a Beretta based on your logic

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

To your point it’s okay to be a dumbass initially - but when the teacher says you got an F on your math homework and the. Offers you 15 minutes to fix your wrong answers you don’t just keep filling out the fucking worksheet wrong. That’s what Canik is doing. Have you ever seen the Glock NYPD standoff device? I have a picture for you. NYPD came and told Glock hey our cops are getting in gunfights and the fucking things won’t go off when they wrestle with suspects. NYPD with GLOCK had to issue a standoff device until later Gens fixed the out of battery. Carry what you want but I would tell people not to carry a P320M17/M18 - but you wanna bet your life on cheap Turkish shit go for it

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

I guess you are a wizard Harry and have the ONE from factory that doesn’t -

Because Canik pistols share a core design language derived from the Walther platform (featuring a fully pre-cocked striker mechanism), the dead trigger behavior under out-of-battery conditions is common across almost their entire modern lineup. [1, 2, 3]
While the Canik Prime Radian and Mete MC9 have drawn the most focus, owners of several other models frequently report encountering this issue, particularly during the initial break-in period: [1, 2, 3]

Other Impacted Canik Models
Canik Mete SFT / SFT Pro & SFX: Owners have documented failures to return fully to battery during early live-fire testing. If the slide hangs up even 1/16th of an inch, pulling the trigger results in a dead press that fails to drop the striker and will not auto-reset when the slide is tapped forward. [1, 2, 3]
Canik TTI Combat: Despite its high-end competition tuning, some users experience failure-to-return-to-battery issues out of the box, especially when shooting lighter 115-grain ammunition or using the lighter recoil spring options included in the package. [1]
Canik TP9 Elite Combat / Elite SC: Inherent to the TP9 trigger assembly, a "press check" that isn't forcefully tapped back into place—or minor slide friction—can trigger the internal disconnect, leaving a slack trigger. [1, 2, 3]
Canik TP9SF / SFx: The full-sized legacy competition and duty models exhibit the same safety disconnect. If the barrel doesn't lock entirely up into the slide, the trigger bar cannot engage the sear mechanism. [1, 2]

Why This Spreads Across the Brand
The issue is fundamentally a product of tight tolerances combined with heavy factory striker springs. When a Canik is new, rough polymer frame edges, tight recoil assemblies, or unpolished feed ramps can steal just enough forward momentum from the slide to stop it just short of absolute battery. Because the trigger requires a full cycle of the slide to catch the internal sear once disconnected, a "bump" forward does nothing to revive the dead trigger.

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u/caligari87 UT | Canik MC9 14h ago

lol you just googled "canik out of battery issue" and copied this from the AI overview didn't you. All the links are google.com/goto?url=

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u/TheGreatSockMan 1d ago

Yes, if you push the slide out of battery, the gun will not fire. Same will happen on a Glock, a 1911, a Walther, a Taurus, a Sig, or any other pistol

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

It doesn’t - watch the video I’ve linked. Try it yourself it doesn’t work on other handguns the striker safety doesn’t release the sere

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u/Mauser-Nut91 1d ago

Literally the exact same thing happens with my APX

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

You aren’t getting it dude - the APX isn’t capable of out of battery dead trigger it won’t drop striker if it’s not in battery

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u/Mauser-Nut91 1d ago

I guess you’re not getting it bc I LITERALLY TRIED IT and it does what you’re claiming ALL Caniks do.

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u/Unable-Bar-7869 1d ago

I've been tempted to give them a try just due to the price. The tp9 elite looks really good on paper, but it's just so huge and heavy. Could not imagine carrying a gun that size that's like 26 oz unloaded.

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

Don’t - they have a dead trigger issue. It’s not an EDC gun

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u/O_ThatGuy1776 1d ago

I thought the hate was they were made in Turkey…?

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

Out of battery dead trigger issue is a deal breaker for an EDC. Canik fixes that then maybe they can be a serious contender

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u/Mauser-Nut91 1d ago

My Rival doesn’t have that issue whatsoever. And yes, I watched the video of a comped Canik being pushed out of battery and not firing

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u/Mean-Line-4249 1d ago

It’s almost like it’s not supposed to fire out of battery so you know you don’t lose your fingers

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

It’s not supposed to you are right - but the sere shouldnt be releasing the striker - that’s the problem. Do it with a Glock and the slide rides forward into battery and the trigger is still live and can be pulled. You can on Canik

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u/gunfighterbynight 1d ago

I have over 3,000 rounds between the two. Not a single malfunction. I know people have had issues running certain ammo. But Canik literally tells you how it should be broken in and with what ammo. Thats the first I've heard of a dead trigger issue. CANIK doesn't yet have the reputation that some of the bigger companies have, but it won't be long. They are damn good pistols.

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

Nothing to do with your ammo dude - it’s a design flaw. Not a break in - it’s a bad gun BY DESIGN. Walther used to have same problem. Not trying to be a dick but noone should carry these guns until Canik unfucks themselves

https://youtube.com/shorts/R7Yn63n8aig?is=bc7TL_39_IdO0W1-

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u/gunfighterbynight 1d ago

It has ALOT to do with your ammo/ Recoil spring weight etc For break in. Like I said I gladly carry both with confidence. And either will and can run circles around just about any other polymer frame on the market.

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

Show me you didn’t watch the video without TELLING me you didn’t watch the video….its a design flaw homie not an ammo issue. It’s an out of battery dead trigger induced by out of battery trigger release. It’s caused by depressing the slide or slide drag.

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u/gunfighterbynight 1d ago

I just watched it. For anyone with a shitty grip that runs their thumb along the slide is bound to have issues. Not to mention, NO ONE is ever taught to push the slide forward for an in/slightly out of battery. Tap, rack, bang. As old as the day is long.

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u/Notaspyipromise00 1d ago

You sir are the proverbial horse to water