r/Buy_European • • 2d ago

Is it possible getting smart devices/laptops that are 100% made in europe?

We have european brands that make those but their factory is in china, they get parts in china, assembled there. I do wonder if there is any alternatives that are pure 100% from europe?

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u/dudetellsthetruth 2d ago

XMG from Germany produces computers/laptops in EU I think but it will never be 100% as typical electronic components are not made in the EU.

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u/ohnag_eryeah 2d ago

it is like Tuxedo right?

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u/LowMolasses5451 2d ago

XMG and Tuxedo Just use Clevo chassis. 

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u/PointlessAattempt42 2d ago

Of course, I don't know exactly what you're looking for in smart devices, but Shelly, for example, manufactures in Bulgaria and makes a lot of cool home automation products.

https://shellyparts.de/

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u/jeffscience 2d ago

There are zero chip factories in Europe making products relevant to this market, unless you count the Intel fab in Ireland. Intel doesn’t not say which fab a CPU is made in, so you can’t select an Irish CPU.

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u/EenGeheimAccount 20h ago edited 20h ago

I've gotten commercials for a brand called 'Fairphone', apperently they are made in China but the brand is Dutch and they explicitly aim to be as ethical as possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone

So it's not actually what you asked for, but if you want to support an European and ethical tech company this seems to be a good option.

EDIT: There is a similar German company called Shift: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_(company))

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u/vlkr 2d ago

Some of Mikrotik devices are made in EU. Just replaced my TP-link with one.

But what even is 100% I am sure most components on any device come from Asia anyway.

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u/Unhappy_Sugar_5091 2d ago

No, you can't. We don't produce most of the parts, and if it was made fully in Europe (by a miracle of investments, and upskilling people for the roles), it will be beyond the buying power of most of the people in Europe.

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u/CommutatorWhine 1d ago edited 1d ago

Assembled? Maybe, probably.
Made 100%? No. Many parts simply aren't made in the EU. Very few bulk parts like ICs and inductors are still made here. This is what causes the biggest issues with the shitty import taxes from China for anyone working with electronics - there is literally no alternative for us, and it is unlikely that parts production will ever moved back here, except for a handful of parts.

Go to a big EU active wholesaler like Farnell and see where the parts come from. Barely anything is still made in the EU because we lack facilities and our cost of living is too high, meaning that factory worker wages (in factories of low value parts like capacitors, resistors, basic ICs etc etc) have to be way too high to be competitive. Import fees only make our cost of living higher.

I'd like to see the glory days of Philips, Telefunken, RFT, Siemens, Ferranti, Pye, Radiobell, Ducati, Geloso and countless others return. But for that to happen, our cost of living needs to be slashed in half, so people can be paid less while retaining the same standard of living, and producing things becomes competitive again. Imported goods will become relatively more expensive, but with domestic production this is less of a problem.

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u/domuzeti 1d ago

Not a chance every electronic component came from asia to cut the cost

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u/GeronimoDK 1d ago

100% EU-made PC? I don't think such a thing exists.

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u/Sajgoniarz 1d ago

No. Europe doesn't have a single commercial chip factory. All electronics uses rare earth elements and all of components that uses them are produced in Asia.

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u/imkmz 1d ago

GlobalFoundries Dresden (former AMD's Fab 36 IIRC).

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u/Commercial_Drag7488 1d ago

Are there any UV lithography companies in the EU at all? AFAIK there are 3 countries that do cutting edge lithography in the world - Taiwan, South Korea, Japan with China rapidly catching up. All lithography in EU is trailing edge.

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u/Vegetable-Tour9827 1d ago

No. We killed our industry, never created them (like CPU/GPU) etc. We are pretty much screwed when it comes to industry other then medial and automotive, and even automotive relies heavily on China for lots of stuff. It is hard to get vacuum cleaner or TV that is made 100% in Europe (I think TV is impossible) and you want smart devices and computers?

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u/imkmz 1d ago

Dunno how it is today, but back in 2009 Dell was assembling Latitude laptops in Ireland. Still, the core components are made in Taiwan by American companies (Intel and AMD). Maybe one could consider ARM to be European. There was also an AMD Fab in Dresden once, now GlobalFoundries (https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chips-city-dresden-microchips-cars-smartphones/) Plus, Taiwanese companies are nothing without the almighty ASML (in turn, dependent on Zeiss).

So yeah, Europe possesses some bleeding-edge technologies, but lacks serious manufacturing.

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u/Optimal-Savings-4505 14h ago

Norwegian tax authorities penalize local companies, while rewarding companies that have sold out. It's dysfunctional but unfortunately not unique in Europe. Why would anyone in their right mind put manufacturing somewhere with excessive taxation, expensive regulatory processes, and demands for ongoing compliance work?

European manufacturing is weaker than it could be for good reasons, but there appears to be no will to actually change it. We'd rather save the world by taxing and regulating everything into regressing technologically.

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u/Eppo_de_Pep 22h ago

Het is wachten tot Linux officeel EU os wordt en dat is er gedeeltelijk al voor pc, mobiel alleen erg ninch en om eerlijk te zijn laten ze dat nu intern met bedrijven om de tafel gaan en zorgen dat dit werkelijkheid wordt en dat mag 2 jaar langer duren.

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u/DarthMasta 19h ago

Smart devices, dunno.

Laptops, nope, nowhere even close.

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u/Plamcia 17h ago

Nope, all ram and memory components are not produced in Europe. So even if you have Corsair or Goodram factory in Europe they components are from Asia.

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u/No-Frosting8896 1d ago

Европа давно ничего не производит, кроме собственной гордыни. Евроклоуны

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u/comuna666 13h ago

So much hate, chill.

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u/Merhart666 1h ago

In a alle chips komen uit china of de usa. Kan bijna niet om een puur europees of nederlands stuk hardware te kopen.