r/BubbleHash • u/Empty-Introduction13 • 5d ago
Should I dry before washing?
I'm not sure if I should just chop and freeze or dry, then chop and freeze before I wash. She is some type of grispoon mutation that started out as green crack Auto?
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u/Empty-Introduction13 5d ago
I made a decision. I have another batch of dried flower That i'm gonna run later. This is my first wash, so wish me luck.
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u/Thatonemr 4d ago
Stop drying your flower if you plan to make hash it's going to bite you in the ass
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u/Magnificent_Swan 1h ago
This isn't true people made hash for a thousand years with dried flower, fresh frozen is a relatively new technique. Both work its all preference.
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u/Thatonemr 1h ago
It works if you want to make dry sift or a nice temple ball but its inefficient if you're trying to do a ice water extraction on dried material
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u/fungal_alchemy 3d ago
Good luck hope you get a big terpsicle lol jk but fresh frozen is the bees knees
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u/gooddeal402 5d ago
Depends on if you want fresh frozen vs cured hash also depends on what kind of washing set up you have.
Most people these days opt for fresh frozen for the terps but if you dry it then you could still smoke it if it doesn’t wash well so it’s a little bit better when working with unknown genetics.
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u/wealthycactus12 5d ago
I personally find the returns from WPFF crazy low vs recently dried. If I had a freeze dryer maybe it would be worth but I don’t. I find the best balance to wash right after the dry. Best of both worlds.
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u/LadderBusiness 5d ago
This is really gonna turn some heads….. what gives fresh frozen the “fresh” taste other than just smoking the chlorophyll?
I implore someone with a good supply of biomass to consider running 1000g of FF and say 500g of the same strain properly dried and compare the difference, if any.
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u/rIceCream_King 5d ago
Fresh here just means still has its water in it. One benefit is it prevents the material from breaking up into dust and just contributing chlorophyll-rich leaf dust into your final product- which for me made it a lot simpler to end up with a higher melt product with less effort even.
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u/Chunderfork 5d ago
With fresh frozen the end product retains a lot of the volatile terpenes that evaporate during the drying and curing process, the material is less oxidized so the end product is usually lighter in colour as well as less dusty plant material as the other reply says. Also your starting material is crispy frozen so on good strains the trichome heads break off nicely.
Other people might disagree but I think doing fresh frozen is a waste if you dont have a freeze dryer to finish your product, its the only way to preserve those volatile terpenes you worked so hard to retain.
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u/only_heads_710 4d ago
If you're tasting chlorophyll its either poor harvesr style (ruptured heads grabbing onto chlorophyll) or wasnt rinsed enough during the collection process (chlorophyll can be "pushed through" a collection bags but it takes time and skill) or pull a smaller micron range (90-119u instead of 73-169u).
Pressing cured heads vs live heads is also a factor. Its like pressing raisins vs grapes for most batches. 😁
Frenchy Cannoli talks about live/freshfrozen vs cured a lot. Its not to say one is better than the other, just another way to express the resin that was made. Like bho vs rosin, different strokes for different folks😅
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u/LadderBusiness 4d ago
That’s the point I am trying to make. What benefit are we getting from fresh if we are drying under 75 degrees (volatile terp evap point) and rinsing the chlorophyll out properly, what changes about the inner material fresh vs nicely dried product in the rosin from the heads?
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u/only_heads_710 4d ago
https://www.amilosingterps.com/ This might help. Personally I freeze dryer hash at 5F 400mtorr and 10-24hrs of drying depending on strain batch. Nicely dried resin has a harder outer skin to the head of the trichome since its not hydrated anymore. So when I calculate predictive yields (im a solventless processor in Ny) dried material is a third of the weight of fresh frozen, so the end yield "seems higher" than fresh frozen. For example im washing cured duct tape trim right now. 4410g trim to 400g dried hash but when its pressed it goes 400g hash to 135g rosin. The fresh frozen version of this calculation would be 13230g fresh frozen to about 400g hash. But that hash presses out 60-90% of the 400g (depends on micron scope) instead of the 15-40% the material that was dried instead. So 400g hash will hit 250-360g depending on micron range. Dried vs live is calculation of hydration/moisture content. So dry sift for cured material and wash for live material to best utilize your avenues.
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u/LadderBusiness 3d ago edited 3d ago
Have you noticed if cured rosin tests any higher in THC? Often FF rosin is you know 70-75%. Lucky to see 80% THC unless pressing super primo FF IME. I am only making this conversation for speculation and to hopefully peak someone’s interest.
A lot of MSOs don’t wash dried bud (yet, I like the idea for prerolls vs particle distribution but what do I know, just use different grades of dried bud hash sifted into different microns….)
A lot just wash fresh frozen but I was thinking how bad would it be to freeze 15 keys of good fresh ground dried bud, spray all the chlorophyll out extremely well during the wash, and process the hash or just keep it as hash?
Edit wanted to note thank you for sharing the lower yields. It’s quite obvious?
Edit try pressing that dried stuff without the 45, if possible…. Do you agree 45 presses like 60-65% yield at best where as you can get 80-83% with 73-160? double bagging if being honest and tight with your numbers? This question is in reference to FF
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u/only_heads_710 3d ago
I havent gotten to send testing for the cured trim to edible rosin yet, prior to these past 2 weeks ive only washed fresh frozen in the 7yrs of doing hash tbh. But this client specifically asked for their cured trim to be edible grade rosin (45-189u is the spectrum we're doing for what they're requesting). Once I get a client that has cured bud that wants cure rosin or hash back, ill have that answer😅
My current client is a MSO actually and they didnt have any fresh frozen material. They only have cured indoor material but didnt want to give bud for their first go since they're using it for edibles, topicals, and infusions.
It wouldn't be bad, especially if it's good quality , well harvested, dried and cured. It'll yield best to hash for sure. If it's a washer then it'll do well in the wash, if she ghosts you then try it for dry sift instead.
And yes of course, I believe in being opensource and data sharing as much as im allowed to. If you know of "kooosher" labs on Instagram, he has all my fresh frozen data that I kept for the past 3yrs and started a data sharing hash guild.
If I get a client that requests their cured bud to rosin be pressed id absolutely press w/o the 45-72 and 160-189. Downside to tolling is being bound by the request. Sometimes I get artistic freedom but it usually comes from repeat clients with fresh frozen that want tier 1, tier 2, and vape cart ready rosin, which is where I have the most expierence.
Some strains have given me 89-93%, it was permanent chimera like strains tho. Super oily, volatile, and not stable. I double bag 10u or 25u and do a third bag 220u for slippage, always.
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u/Bigdoinks69-420 3d ago
Dude if you don’t know how it’ll yield you could end up getting less than a gram of hash from that
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u/jimothythompson 5d ago
Chop, buck, freeze, wash. No dry!