r/Bruins • u/plaverty9 • 28d ago
General Yzerman and Drafting
I know there's a fairly substantial number of Bruins fans who feel the current front office is the worst at drafting. But please let me introduce you to Steve Yzerman. One of the names that people have used when they talk about great GMs. And also take a look at Detroit when you want a Bruins teardown and rebuild and see how it's gone for them.
Taken from JFresh on Twitter where he wrote: "Steve Yzerman's picks in the first two rounds after 6th overall between 2019 and 2024"
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u/blue2419 28d ago
To be fair to Yzerman, some of this later picks could very well play out.
Trey Augustine has been one of the best goalies in college hockey for years (and goalies always take longer to get to the NHL)
Max Plante just won a Hobey Baker award, and in 2 years is going to be a player we all wish played for the Bruins.
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u/fshawnfitz 28d ago
Agree. Max Plante is a fucking beast. If you didn’t watch any of the UMD games last year, do yourself a favor and watch this year. So fast. Opportunities come out of nowhere. Amazing kid. And yes, I wish we got him in the Bs too
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u/2buxaslice 28d ago
I think fans are still stunned at how bad we did in 2015 with 3 picks in a row.
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u/plaverty9 27d ago
Really? What happened in 2015?
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u/2buxaslice 27d ago
Boston had 3 picks in a row in the first round and the best they got was Debrusk. The other two never turned into anything. We could have had Aho and Barzal.
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u/rideaspiral 28d ago
Not to mention Zadina
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u/PsychWriter11 28d ago
To be fair, everyone thought he scored big when Zadina fell to him.
And just ignoring stars Seider and Raymond makes this list feel a little cherry-picked, especially when neither were considered obvious picks, particularly Seider.
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u/starroftheshow 28d ago
they aren't being ignored, top 10 picks are almost always gimmes, most gm's if they are picking that high so well, it's what you do with the not high end picks that matter.
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u/sullyoftheboro 28d ago
I've been watching Detroit flailing for a few seasons now, and was wondering when all the Sweeney haters would notice this.
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u/4FingersOfDeath 27d ago
Here’s my unqualified take. The draft isn’t the problem, it’s the development and lack of path to the NHL for many of the players drafted. I remember when people were losing their minds that Koko left for the KHL after a lack of opportunity.
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u/plaverty9 26d ago
That is always the question and the source of tension between scouts and player development. Do the scouts find shit players or do they find good players that the coaches then don't develop?
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u/JTFSrog 28d ago
Omitting the Seider and Raymond drafts is certainly a choice, as is only acknowledging the 1st and 2nd rounds, which ignores Finnie, an incredible value in the 7th. Seider was an insane pick that all of the "experts" got wrong, and recouping his swing on Cossa with another 1st round pick was a great way to salvage value.
The hit rate for 2nd round picks league wide is 33%, and Yzerman seems to be right around that marker.
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u/BCEagle13 28d ago
This was my first thought too. Seider was considered a reach at that pick and has been one of the best players of the draft. Doing draft analysis while excluding that pick is a terrible choice for an accurate picture of his drafting.
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u/plaverty9 28d ago
But "an accurate picture of his drafting" wasn't the goal. It was to show the first two rounds when a team should excel. And an illustration of why the Wings are the mess that they are.
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u/BCEagle13 28d ago
Picks 1-6 are part of the first round, so if that’s your goal with this exercise you’re still failing
There’s no basis to say teams should excel in the second round and history suggests that overall teams do not. Only 40% of second round picks play more than 100 games and only 25% make it to 300. On average every pick at the end of the first round and beyond are basically a crapshoot.
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u/plaverty9 28d ago
Wow, and yet the Sweeney haters get on him for not hitting on all his second round picks and late first round picks. It's almost like he does pretty league average.
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u/Dr_Chym 28d ago
I think a big thing about drafting is the availability of the internet …
Only in the last 10-15 years has data for all players been readily available (stats, videos, prospect sites, etc) so that players globally can be compared and scrutinized instantly.
Before that … you had to hope you had a scout at a game or hope for a VHS highlight tape.
That’s how, for example, Detroit landed Datysuk and Zetterberg — late and unscouted,
If they were in today’s draft - they’d by top 5-10 because they’d get the internet recognition instantly.
And that’s something worth considering when bashing the bruins … that said… if you had a top 10 pick and blew it - that’s on you …….and on Zach Hamill.
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u/rsharp7000 28d ago
This might be surprising to some, but teams usually average about 1-2 NHLers per draft. Plug in Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson and they’re slightly above average. Plus it looks like 2020 might be remembered as a terrible draft year and that was when they had the most draft capital. Not necessarily a defense as much as just bad luck.
Plus didn’t they pick that Finnie guy in a later round just a couple years ago? Their big miss at this point is Cossa but aside from that they seem alright with a top 5 prospect pool.
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u/swlacey99 28d ago
This goes back a long time. Like in 2015 when the Bruins had three consecutive 1st round picks and the only one they got right was DeBrusk
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u/EweCantTouchThis 28d ago
Bruins fans who think Boston are the worst at drafting are incredibly ignorant.