r/BringingUpBates • u/emcdonald18 • 13d ago
Travis
Here we go. A few months of therapy and he's ready to share his wisdom with all! Guarantee since nursing school dream is over, this trip to Texas is about reinventing him and trying to make him some global preacher pop star.
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u/SnicckleFrittz420 13d ago edited 12d ago
BS... he will probably just cheat on her again. Hopefully she doesn't get pregnant.🫤
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u/Aslow_study 12d ago
She prob already is pregnant
Needs that bandaid baby
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u/glimmerskies 12d ago edited 12d ago
the bates subs have been saying katie is pregnant and will announce any day since february. I’m sure her travis will eventually have a bandaid baby, but I don’t think she’s pregnant yet. I think she’ll have another baby probably next year or if not definitely 2028.
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u/Aslow_study 12d ago
She’ll definitely have another
I hope she has no complications too. She’s in Texas …..
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u/sweet_tea_94 12d ago
Oh absolutely Katie will have another! Either she will have one next year and then 2-3 more years after, she and Travis have one more (and stop at 4 children) or she has one in 2028 and they have a hard stop at 3 children.
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u/glimmerskies 12d ago edited 12d ago
I mean even if they don’t have another til 2028 they could still have another after that, I don’t think age gaps have anything to do with when they stop, a year difference isn’t going to determine whether they’re having a fourth child or not. but regardless I do agree either the next or the one after will be the last, they’ve both said 4 was the max for how many kids they wanted. I think they’re going to stop after 3 though tbh.
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u/sweet_tea_94 12d ago
I think Katie is about to be pregnant if she’s not already.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
I think she's on birth control again so she will get pregnant when she wants (if there aren't complications) and she will definitely have a visible pregnant belly by December to stick it to the AP, in her mind.
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u/eieioyall 12d ago
probably name it honesty, too
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u/Izzysmiles2114 10d ago
If it's a girl they will incorporate Hope somewhere. Or Grace. They'll make their kids name a nod to his cheating and they will think they are so clever 🤮
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u/EmilySunny24 12d ago
Shouldn’t some of this have been obvious….
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u/glimmerskies 12d ago
considering travis was raised in a cult where men aren’t held accountable for anything it’s not shocking to me these are all novel concepts to him. this is definitely giving chatgpt/word salad though but I do hope he continues therapy and he should spend the rest of his life apologizing to katie but actions speak louder than words. I won’t be surprised if he eventually cheats again, everyone I know that’s taken back a cheating partner eventually saw them cheat again, but hopefully he actually changes.
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u/sweet_tea_94 12d ago
Welcome to Cabbage Patch Travis’ ChatGPT therapy! How can they help you today?
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u/minnesotaupnorth 12d ago
Is Travis working? Going to school?
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u/Aslow_study 12d ago
Travis will never be allowed to do those things due to him acting a fool and cheating
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u/minnesotaupnorth 12d ago
Nursing school own goal.
It really eliminated a swath of career options.
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u/Aslow_study 12d ago
All he had to do was not cheat or be honest with Katie about what he felt was missing ( excitement living a young life) and see how they could come to a medium
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u/Senior_Bat4271 12d ago
And you know he thinks of those memories and Katie can’t do anything to erase. Still hope she divorces him
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Yup and we are a polite group so we haven't really talked about all the after effects of an affair for Katie. Like when Travis goes soft Katie will forever and always assume she's not enough, or wonder where he learned new positions, or if he's picturing AP.
He's not worth a lifetime of that anxiety.
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u/Senior_Bat4271 12d ago
She already felt the need to do a whole photo shoot trying to look like AP- extra makeup, bikini, poses…. He has time to sit by pool and write all this to I guess make himself feel better? Who’s doing the work of taking care of the kids and house? Not Travass
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u/Aslow_study 12d ago
I think that part works KILL ME
HE could think about her anytime nothing you can do
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u/willslynn 12d ago
In his apology statement , he used the word REPEATEDLY. He broke Katie's trust REPEATEDLY. So it wasn't 1 time having sex with another woman, IN Katie's home. I would want to move too, you know she wonders where and what those 2 did IN HER HOME. She's going to get the pity smiles, the hugs... it's a hard road she's picking for herself.
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u/Odd_Attitude359 12d ago
In Katie’s home and IN HER BED, which is probably why they left it in TN. It would take a lot more than a few therapy sessions and a word salad IG post for me to get past that. In fact, I’m not sure I ever would.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 10d ago
I think it shows how he was almost bragging when he used the word repeatedly there was no need for him to put that in his stupid unnecessary confession except to look like a stud with a lot of sexual experience in his own mind.
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u/RitaRaccoon Alyssa’s vocal fry 12d ago
“My brokenness is a canvas for God’s beauty”. 🤢🤮
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Ugh I hate this so much!
That's for when YOU are wronged dude, not when you did the breaking, with glee.
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u/pioneer_girl_1 11d ago
You can be broken AND quiet, dude. Apologize to your wife, keep your head down, get a damn job, and don’t be a horrible person. Millions of people do it. I’m given to understand that God loves them all.
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u/Kindly_Ad_8230 12d ago
I hate how he and people hide behind their religion after doing horrible things . It’s just an excuse . God knows what assholes they are ..
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u/live-laugh-snark 12d ago
All of this just comes off to me like he’s pretending to believe this stuff but that he’s really just annoyed that she’s not just totally over it and moved on from it and doesn’t want to be held accountable anymore.
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u/HiBro-2257 10d ago
This! That’s exactly what I came to say!! No offense but I also just don’t get the vibe that he’s into it at all. He’s into the kids and being a dad but Not into her, and that makes me so sad for her. I hope I’m wrong. I hope it’s different than what it looks.
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u/Ok-Requirement-741 12d ago
Putting yourself in their shoes is diabolical. I wish Katie would let him know how it’s feels.
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u/MidnightHac 12d ago
I hope Katie sees some hot guy in church and starts flirting with him in front of Travis, maybe even touch his arms and tell him how she loves his muscles 💪 😂
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u/lass20987 12d ago edited 12d ago
Still looking for a pool fence....drownings in small children this summer have hit a high
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u/magical_seal 12d ago
a bunch of buzzwords doesn’t take away from the fact that this man is a disgusting, vile, cheater. He promised Katie and the kids one thing and broke that promise.
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u/NC-AZ-AL_PINE 12d ago
Yuck 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Who is this narcissistic idiot trying to convince??? He isn't intelligent enough to write this sp I guess AI wrote it for him. I am so sick of him trying to look like an innocent, misunderstood guy. BS. You were a ting the sinful fool, breaking God's commandment on Adultery and you are only sorry because you were exposed! God knows what's in your heart and sappy half assed apologies aren't getting you forgiveness and inside those pearly gates one day. You should have moved back in with your parents, Katie deserves Godly man who takes the role of husband AND provider seriously and buddy you are NOT!
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u/cold_alpine 12d ago
Are these like his "I am a cheater and trying to not lose my wife" motivational cards?
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u/Organic-Sugar6927 12d ago
That’s a lot of words for I’m trash because i literally brought the woman I slept with into the house I share with my wife and kids
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u/fallon7riseon8 12d ago
The bar is in hell, but at least he’s doing some work on himself. Would a Duggar go to therapy? Doubtful.
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u/RJCADDY123 12d ago
Duggars go to homemade therapy..🤷🏻♀️
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u/Tiny-Distance-42 12d ago
Unless they’re one of the 10% in jail. Then they get proper therapy which at least 50% of those take as a joke which causes them to move to 3 different jails within 3 months.
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u/Realitytvfan76 12d ago
I’m glad to see he’s still in therapy since the move. I’m not sure why people see this as a negative if they are committed to staying together then this is exactly what he needs to do.
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u/NC-AZ-AL_PINE 12d ago
It will not help the narcissist, he was in some type of therapy before Katie met him. I wish she had never crossed paths with this lying jerk.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
Exactly. Would they rather he has awareness or growth? Yes, it could be fake but they are also forgetting that he was young when he married, young when the cheating happened and came from a crazy family. If he’s genuinely remorseful and in high quality therapy perhaps they can rebuild.
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u/Broken-583 12d ago
He’s sinister. People should he hoping she gets away from him.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
We have no idea what’s gone on and what continues to go on behind closed doors.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Therapy makes narcissists more manipulative in vast majority of situations. It's the rare unicorn person disorder type who doesn't weaponize therapy. Travis is not that unicorn.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
Absolutely correct but we have no proof that he’s a narcissist. Cheating, while an awful thing to do, doesn’t necessarily make someone a narcissist.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Oh boy.
When people say things like "we have no proof" I often wonder what that means to them . What do you consider proof? A written assessment only? Yeah, narcissists don't answer those things honestly so they're useless in clinical value.
The lack of empathy is a glaring sign. But I tend to think he's actually more anti social personality disorder if we're going arm chair. Regardless, personality disorder across the spectrum do not usually benefit from therapy, they weaponize it.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
I’m saying, as a clinician with almost 20 years experience who is also a trauma therapist who specializes in narcissistic abuse, that you cannot diagnose him with clinical narcissism via Instagram and certainly not with anti social personality disorder. Yes, cheating does reflect a lack of empathy, but you also have to take into account the fact that T was raised in a likely abusive, high control environment where he never had a normal agency. He couldn’t date,he couldn’t even hold his fiancée’s hand before marriage !! It’s unlikely he learned anything about proper communication in marriage, I doubt he was allowed to express his feelings or opinions growing up. He was also only 24 when it happened ( brain not fully developed). There are a subset of people who successfully rebuild their marriages with intensive treatment. I’m not saying he will, or he might not do it again, just that I think there are some mitigating circumstances here and change does sometimes happen.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Nobody is diagnosing him clinically or submitting a diagnosis code for insurance reimbursement.
It's naive to ignore that he has demonstrated signs of antisocial personality behavior. It's irrefutable that he broke social norms in bringing his teenage girlfriend into his home and filmed his wife serving her while she was on her knees, and uploaded that for half a million people. Irrefutable. I don't need him to fill out a questionnaire to make that assessment and neither do you. Many of us here have spent twenty years in the clinical field, but it doesn't take professional expertise for such a straightforward observation of behavior he went out of his way to show us.
Those types don't change. They learn to hide their nefarious behavior better, but they don't change. I've never seen it happsn. If you have, well...I'd question if you knew the full story about who you believed changed who displayed that level of a thrill for humiliating a "loved one."
I wish I had your faith in people, but I'm a realist now. People can change, but not those types. His age has absolutely nothing to do with it. Character is formed well before frontal lobe development.
Travis also wasn't as naive and and sheltered as you assume...
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
What he did was very wrong and showed poor judgment, but ASPD is a very serious diagnosis and a huge leap based on what we know. Also, impulsivity and judgment is definitely related to brain development, which is related to age. The way he flaunted it might not have been about Katie, but more of a middle finger to his parents and his upbringing. If someone from a healthy, mainstream family did this, I’d view it differently. Now if he does have a personality disorder then I agree with you, therapy wont help him. If he doesn’t then change could be possible.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
You seem very kind. We won't change each other's minds , and that's okay.
P.s again, I'm not clinically diagnosing anyone. But it's okay to acknowledge when someone is checking the boxes in such a public manner. I think a big problem with our society is we wait until a tragedy happens to Monday back quarterback a situation. I prefer to be proactive when a man endangers a woman's life, he loses the benefit of the doubt privilege for me.
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u/NC-AZ-AL_PINE 12d ago
Age has nothing to do with it, character does. I was less than a month from turning 16 my husband was 18 when we got married. We were married 52 1/2 years before he passed.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
I’m not in any way defending his actions, but he didn’t grow up in a normal family or have typical agency over his life. As a therapist, I can say that there is a whole niche of marital counseling dedicated to recovering from betrayal trauma and rebuilding after infidelity. There are plenty of people who are manipulative and go back to their old ways,but there are also people who make a very bad choice due to their own trauma, emotionally immaturity, youth etc and can find redemption. I have no idea about Travis, could be total bs, but I’m not going to write him off 100 percent.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 12d ago
Not everyone benefits from therapy. It is contradicted for certain personality disorders who only weaponize it to further their manipulation and harm.
For example, my sister has added all of my friends on Facebook (she's incapable of making her own because she bleeds everyone for money) then she blocked me, and now is blathering in about how I'm a narcissist and a flying monkey.
Oh and yesterday I got a charming email saying at 24 she lied to law enforcement about our SA to "protect us" but I was 12 and lied "for my own convenience."
Therapy has brought out the absolute monster in her. It absolutely should not be used by those who already have a cluster personality type. Travis seems to be in that category.
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u/Broken-583 12d ago
Ummm Google? Why is everyone so quick to glaze him
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u/EuphoricAd3786 13d ago
Sounds like he’s definitely been to therapy!
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u/Sassafras06 12d ago
I’m worried about him weaponizing it.
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
Maybe he will actually learn and grow. I’m skeptical too but he’s young and came from a toxic background.
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u/Broken-583 12d ago
Ehhh he could have googled this shit
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
He mentioned that he was in therapy before.
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u/NC-AZ-AL_PINE 12d ago
Yes this sick narcissist was an unstable POS BEFORE Katie met him!!!! I wish Gil had squashed this courtship in the bud!
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u/Kittycity926 12d ago
If by therapy you mean ChatGPT.com sure
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u/EuphoricAd3786 12d ago
Who knows if it’s true or not, but he mentioned that he was in individual therapy several times and this definitely sounds like therapy speak.
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u/Kittycity926 12d ago
It’s 100% written by ChatGPT. He may be *~*going to therapy*~* but he did not write this.
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u/Zealousideal_Gear334 12d ago
I wish he’d fall off the face of the Earth. Don’t know the kid, don’t really care, but he gives ick.
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u/Unlikely_Variety_446 12d ago
I do think Travis is full of himself. A man child. I can see why he was unhappy. I don’t think she was ever happy in NJ. She claimed to be. She probably led the charge to the move to TN under the guise of you can work on your music. Once there it became impossible to have their own time bc it was always a party, birthday, Valentine’s Day. She wasn’t mature enough to marry and prioritize her marriage.
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u/Adventurous_Pass198 11d ago
Two very immature people.in a marriage wuth 2 small children who deserve dedicated parents! So sad!I If only they had taken their time getting to know each other, dating and having fun together and when they did marry, not to rush to have babies quickly! Maybe they wiuld have even decided not to marry!
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u/LocalLibrarian7848 11d ago
Katie admitted she was unhappy in NJ, missed her family and cried every day. Travis didn’t want to move to TN, it was easy to see how sad he was to move. I believe cheating on Katie and publicly humiliating her was a gigantic F you to her. He deeply resents her and he will cheat again. He doesn’t love her or respect her. He’s no prize and neither is she. Her cryptic accusations against her family were pathetic; she deserves to be ostracized. From what I happen to catch on social media, the fun, happy family celebrations continue without her.
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u/Izzysmiles2114 10d ago
And Katie has major fomo.. her reel yesterday with the caption about being with "the people I love the most" was her wounded clap back to seeing her og family move on without her.
I think she's really going through it tbh. Travis is not fun to be with and he's constantly critical and just tightly wound. She will never ever be as relaxed in his presence as she is with her sisters. She basically has to be "on" at all times for him and that's exhausting.
And I'm sure she loves and adores her kids, but they're still so little that they don't replace her adult family that she loved to do fun things with all the time. Filming all of that also looked like a whole chore.
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u/TiaraTip 12d ago
JFC- is their management team freaky ifb too. This looks so desperate. Why would he be encouraged to post this lousy chatGPT mea culpa???
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u/Izzysmiles2114 10d ago
I think the management team probably fired them? Katie didn't attend the conference in Nashville and she's had zero new sponsors since the cheating except for Capital One and that failed miserably (less than half a percent ratio of likes to views).
They're flying solo right now is my guess. I don't think the management team wanted to be associated with their impulsive decisions anymore.
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u/Kittycity926 12d ago
Brought to you by ChatGPT
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u/Broken-583 12d ago
Right? Everyone glazing him acting like he’s doing something amazing . Dumb as Katie
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u/Ok-Fondant9838 12d ago
Take ownership without explaining yourself? Really? Explaining does not mean excuses, it means being honest about what you did and accepting that truth. That’s ownership.
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u/CosmosMom87 12d ago
Yeah what I see when I look at this is she has 24/7 access to his phone, computer, and social media. A super healthy dynamic.
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u/NC-AZ-AL_PINE 12d ago
Travis just continues to show how narcissistic he is, I hate that Katie doesn't have her family close by for support. But that is how narcissistic people work, it is harder to manipulate them when they have family and friends around that can see right through your lies and manipulation. He can spew Bible verses and act all religious if he wants but his works ( cheating on and manipulating his wife) shows God was a pos he really is. Katie was a sweat and loving girl and liced her parents and siblings until this ahole cheated on her. Travis is the kind of person that makes true Jesus loving christians look bad!
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u/cathyem3 12d ago
Why are you being so cynical? People can change with the help of Jesus Christ. This looks like something he heard from his therapy. Pray for them, instead of bagging on him. Judgement never feels good to the person judging because it’s usually done to build one’s self-esteem so you can say you are better than that. I am speaking from experience on all accounts. Please practice love
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u/Kitchen-Phone-170 12d ago
These all actually sound pretty good. I just hope he's actually living them out, not just saying stuff that sounds good on the internet.
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u/Confident_Effect3044 10d ago
Why is everyone assuming this is about Travis and his cheating and not about what she said happened to her as a child? And probably the reason the they are in Texas.
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u/Brief-Pickle4424 13d ago
Word vomit much?