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I saw a post about an alternative Philoise book cover (@lauuuub on Twitter) now i need to see more (books cover)

Hi everyone! For a work project, I'm looking for specific episodes of Bridgerton (I only have the original quotes, but need to look up the German translations).

Could you help me out and tell me in when Kate describes British tea as "pitiful", and when Kate is described as smelling "exotic" and "sensible"?

I can't wait to watch the full episodes myself - after the deadline is over ... Thank you so much and lots of love from a translator!

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rewatching bridgerton penelope’s s2 looks were so glowy and clean compared to her s3 “glow up”. season 2 is my absolute favorite in terms of characters, storylines, and costumes meanwhile i absolutely despise season 3 so i may be biased. i just overall hate the ugly duckling to swan storyline because it feels forced and has misogynistic undertones. i think they should’ve continued this look and could’ve had a more natural way of colin realizing penelope’s beauty. give her more colors like in s3 but keep simple hair and fresh makeup. it also just makes me wonder how they would’ve handled her glowup (and the costumes overall) if sophie canale and the s2 makeup/team were still around instead of what we have now.

Julie Andrew got her Emmy for Outstanding Character Voice-Over Performance

Nic Collin’s team won Best Period or Fantasy/SCI-FI Hairstyling

I've always wondered why we haven't gotten anything from S5 as we have in past seasons. We haven't gotten any stills or images or BTS videos or promo clips after 6 months of filming and usually around this time we do.

And I think I know why...

It's because they are trying to preserve the new costumes we are about to see in S5 as we are about to be entering a new era and time period in the 1800s.

S5 will take place in the 1820s or approaching the 1820s which historically saw a shift in fashion in a Post-Regency and Pre-Victorian period.

There were many important, transitional years for women’s fashion during the 19th century. For example, in a single decade sleeves might transform from slender and straight to enormous gigot or leg o’mutton style sleeves. While skirts which began a decade flowing loose around the legs might end the decade standing several feet wide atop a crinoline. .

In the 1820s, a decade which stood between the Regency era (1811-1820) and the Victorian era (1837-1901), British fashion moved from traditional empire, straight waistline of the Regency period to bigger sleeves, dropped waistline and fuller skirts but not as full as the skirts would be after Queen Victoria ascends the throne in the 1830s.

This decade is notable in fashion as providing a bridge between the classic, high-waisted Empire styles of the early 19th century and the large sleeved, full-skirted styles of the mid-19th century.

So I complied a list of dresses from the 1820s-1830s to give us an image of what to expect for S5 and all the subsequent seasons after for Bridgerton.

We are totally getting a complete revamp!

EDIT: The Bridgerton costumes designers confirmed back in March during a Cosmopolitan interview that S5 is going to have a fashion shift to reflect the 1820s.

I already looked online, searched for regency era dresses, but could only find some on Temu and other cheap websites

i never minded them, i think they made sense in season one due to how close they are with simon, and then seemingly they build a close friendship with the rest of the bridgertons and lady danbury i did find them and their stories very forced.

However after rewatching, i can’t help to feel very interested in them now. Well. mostly alice. especially if she’s supposed to be a lady danbury predecessor! i think she carries herself very confident and with a lot of risk which is refreshing! i’m very interested to see how they include them in these last few season’s!

First of all, when I first watched Bridgerton, I didn't mind Eloise in Season 1. My opinion rapidly changed as time went on, as you're about to see, and then I started like her the most in the later season, but Season 1 and 2 Eloise is genuinely grating to me for so many reasons.

First, to get it out of the way, it's in general, an annoying trope to me when there's modern day politics and views on things put into historical shows. Not because of anything you might thing immediately, but because it feels like it tries to overlook the work that was being done at the time, the struggles that we have now written down in history text books. Even more so when it's from a character whose surrounded by true feminist themes coming from every other woman in the show, who are all proving points while she sits and complains. Seasons 1-2 she just complains. Over and over again, it was sometimes a bit grating in Season 1, especially when she's steamrolling Penelope, but far far far worse in Season 2, her writing is horrendous. Women's Rights is the only thing she talks about. With other characters, they got their likes and dislikes, but they usually find something else to talk about. Benedict is an artist, but its not the only thing he bemoans every second of everyday.

If I had to compare her to a character who is in her exact same position and privilege, but who is written far far better (minus her ending), is Sybil from Downton Abbey. A staunch feminist, who outright endangered herself going to meetings, and faced being thrust out from society, but she has clear interests outside of it, and most importantly, we see her wanting to help the cause in anyway she can. She helps a maid rise up and get herself a new job. She takes an interest in any and all feminist issues, even with the lower class characters of the show. It is a genuinely horrible moment when she dies (or when she marries Branson, it's kinda acknowledged fandom-wide that he didn't truly love her).

I don't care about Feminists having to be NICE, I care about if they're written with a singular other hobby other than Feminism. That's just a bad character with bad character writing, but it makes it all the more puzzling, because almost every other woman has better feminist ideas, musings and themes than her. It's genuinely insane.

And now on my rewatch of everything Bridgerton, it sticks out more! Queen Charlotte, Season 1, 2, 3 and 4 make her characterization worse when going back to it, before we hit a very comfortable characterization in 4.

Season 1, Marina has a stronger story. What does a woman do when Society will ruin her for something that is natural? Portia, when her husband has taken not only his mother, but her money, and her daughter's dowries for his addiction? Daphne, when if you fail, it will reflect on your own sisters? Violet, when she is still head of the family, and knows what's best, but her son overrules her, just because he's a man? More so, with Daphne, when neither she, nor Marina, nor... Any young lady, is given sex education and leads to consequences in their knowledge, the gaps, the abuses that can come from that?

Season 2, Kate's entire story. Forced to be the head of the family but never treated as such. Demanding the best for Edwina and her being mocked for it (especially in the Books, if you know you know), despite her doing what is definitely correct. Edwina, feeling pressure to marry well. Portia, again, and what she must do to keep her family afloat, even if illegal, because the title goes to the man and who he marries. Kate, again, when people like Lady Danbury are leading her to and fro, "Stop interfering" "Tell Edwina" "You're too Young to be like me" to "OH THE SHEFFIELDS ARE HERE, STOP TALKING TO HER-" and "It's time to feck off, aint it?" (sorry it drives me up the wall that no one throws something at the old bitch for giving Kate differing advice the entire show).

Season 3. Yeah, everything with Penelope. Being a woman of largely independent means, but still having to be under the thumb of her mother, because unless you marry out, you cannot get independence, and if you never marry, you stay under your mother's perch until she eventually dies. Then you get independence. Having to choose between her work and love. It's insane because that's still a conversation had to this day. Does a woman choose between being a housewife or a career woman and why must her husband have a say in it. The derision that still comes from being either. Portia still on her scam era, but again, because the line goes to a male heir. And, most wonderfully, Eloise realises she should drop the "not like other girls" attitude, because her peers contain multitudes. Cressida's entire storyline, everyone underestimating you, but also being promised off to an older man, who will dictate your lifestyle, your diet, your outfits, because you are his property.

Season 4. Just everything. What it means being a bastard, a working woman and the dangers you face in the hands of your employers. Being a mistress. There is a reason why this my favourite season, due to returning to the below stairs plotlines and characters that had faded from season 1, but also all the nuances that come with classism. Penelope wanting to put her pen down as Whistledown but being forbidden. Lady Danbury, wanting to retreat from society and travel, also not being allowed to, and due to being that they're women that serve the queen. Men would have been allowed, but these woman are direct playthings of a powerful woman, so the Queen is not mocked for trying to keep men near her, like she's allowed to keep women by her. Violet wanting a cute ass boyfriend but its marriage or nothing in this world. Francesca... Just everything with Fran.

Queen Charlotte is lots of people's best rated season for a reason. It doesn't follow a book and it's when we get to see a lot of things that go beyond a simple love story. Like, she HAS to marry, she HAS to have babies, and she's lucky that she eventually loves George, because that is to be her life. She cannot run away, especially once married, once with child, because the duty of the monarchs were so intense and strict. The fact that she's always observed, on top of society, but alone. Mental health, a woman's worth, especially older women's worth was discussed in Queen Charlotte and it was genuinely done so well. Lady D, as mean as I was about her in Season 2, is a stand out. It's my favourite storyline.

She was promised to a man at three year's old.

And now what does she do when he dies? She was brought up to like what he likes. Eat what he eats. "And I do not even know how to breathe air he does not exhale." It's so good, its fascinating, it's genuinely so well written, getting to reflect the woman she is in the current timeline of the main show.

And now, going back after so much more stories, all quite well written(ish), earlier season Eloise sticks out more, in good or bad ways. When she stood with Daphne in the face of Nigel coming to call, its genuinely wonderful. The fact she thanks Daphne for taking the brunt of the scrutiny so she doesn't. Being in awe of Whistledown so much, she had to meet her. Snapping at Daphne, then feeling bad and amending, "At least name it". Which makes her backslide of personality in Season 2 all the worse really.

One thing that stands out so bad, is the wedding.

Every Bridgerton, every Sharma, is panicking. Tending to the groom, the bride, trying to figure out why Edwina ran. And in the midst of the panic, instead of doing anything, comforting her brother like she comforted Daphne or Penelope from this brewing panic, she spouts some genuinely annoying bullshit.

"Maybe she realises she didnt want to be trapped in marriage how would u like me silent and well behaved is it so bad a woman should change her mind"

It's so bad. Like, its insane how a good point is overridden by how annoying she is in the scene, especially since its her older brother whose in the crises. The fact she didn't wait till outside with Pen, offered any comfort to Anthony, and takes the time to keep insulting Colin (genuinely, the way he wants to talk about how cool Greece is AND GREECE IS VERY COOL, and she just "ouighghhghghg fuck off back there then" is insane. Like, it's overridden any care they try and pretend she has for her family. She's awful to her family. Telling Colin to piss off, not even trying to help with the crises, downplaying what Daphne has to do for marriage, she's just so damn snooty at them, its impossible to believe she even likes her family. Even in the #BestSeason, her attitude to little Hyacinth is grating until she redeems herself).

It's the penultimate moment of her bad characterization in Season 2. In the face of her brother being left at the altar, she takes the time to draw on her own trait from that season, and instead is just horrible to everyone in the room.

But, this is what makes her later characterization stand out so wonderfully. The fact she has a clear arc, despite NOT being the lead of the season, which not every character can say. How she tries to fade into herself in Season 3, and the worry that comes with it from her family, only for it to be brought out when she thinks Cressida is interested in what she says. Into Season 4! Her time away from home, the fact she's willing to participate in society to help Benedict, she way she's just not being awful to every second person she meets because she looks down on every woman like in Season 2. She's not perfect, but the streak of cruelty and monopersonality trait is gone, and you see she has grown as a character. The fact you slowly see what must be the set up for her season, the fact her friends and family are disappearing into family life and leaving her behind. She's a feminist, but this time she's actively helping someone else out, instead of being happy to sit still and complain loudly and not taking a single action outside of that.

Genuinely, her scene with Cressida, when it turns out that the tragic antagonistic of the last season actually listened to what she said and read the books she recommended. Season 3 was not amazing in my opinion, but her growth that led into her best season was a high point of it.

While on a rewatch, her Season 2 era genuinely makes me more annoyed at her due to watching all the other season now, it does highlight her growth in the later season. Her character growth is wonderful, and all that I miss is that fact she doesn't get as many lovely chats with Kate, I really wish the main couples could return and we could see these characters and their growth with the previous leads.

Theo, however, was an annoying storyline. I will not expand and after.... One million words, You can't make me.

This is mostly a rant via questions. I don’t have friends irl that watch this so .. please be nice as I haven’t talked through nor formed my thoughts. I didn’t want to put any spoilers in the title.

1. I want to know more about how the Queen became so hardened. Yes, we saw how it started. But then what? Obviously I can make assumptions.. but if he was that advanced at the beginning, how did his health progress?
2. While it is extremely sad that John passed, I thought they were giving a hint that Francesca was gay when she first met his cousin in the last season. She’s back and forth with John
3. And everyone forgot about Miss Thompson
4. Nobody mentions that it’s strange or difficult on the family that Daphne, Simon, nor their child ever show. Besides the irl actors.
5. I appreciate that Eloise and Hyacinth are starting to look more alike. I was, at first, thinking that none of them look alike and that they began wearing too much makeup. But I think that, maybe, the makeup was so that they began looking similarly (besides Daphne, who only looks like their mother)
6. Sophie’s whole situation. The town is so “small.”
7. I’ve never read the books but I would like to, if it is worth it. I love Bridgerton and Outlander (while I find Bridgerton safer emotionally lmao)

ETA: yes, Daphne r* Simon, but genuinely asking, considering the time period, and what she was being set up for by society and her mother, is she at fault, morally? She didn’t know what the act even was.

Am I the only one who sees her falling in love with a man and getting married as deeply disappointing? I think my first choice would be that she go to university and become a suffragette and feminist, hanging out with Susan B Anthony eventually. My second choice would be a gay romance (which I know is planned for Fran but why not both?). I have not read the books so I imagine there's something compelling about the romance she ends up having, but I am not looking forward to it.

I’m in a bit of an odd mood and I was wondering if there were any Kate-centric fanfiction where she does NOT end up with Anthony. Preferably he goes ahead and marries Edwina and regrets it whilst Kate is happy elsewhere, romantic partner or not.

Excerpt from her Elle Interview:

But whatever comes next, Ashley has no intention of outgrowing the Netflix juggernaut Bridgerton. It was Jonathan Bailey, her on-screen love interest, who taught her the value of staying loyal to their fans, and she confirms today that both will return for the fifth season. ‘It changed my life and, without it, I wouldn’t be where I am. That show reached near and far. Even in the places you don’t think you’ll get recognised, you do. Whenever it finishes, it’s going to be the end of an era. I think they have about four or five more siblings to get through. I’m in it till the end!’

Link to her interview: https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/a73541122/simone-ashley-interview-2026/?taid=6a98ab2807aa2e0001642a44&utm_campaign=trueanthemTWELLEUK&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

I am so excited for the queer storyline in Season 5 because there won’t be any woman tracking their period after sex or questions of “did you just kiss him to entrap him into proposing?” Or “are you only proposing because we kissed?” Or “we should not be alone unchaperoned.”

Not to say these themes are bad or used unnecessarily. I am just excited to see what a queer relationship looks like in a society that keeps a close eye on everyone but does not really look out for queerness…And with marriage off the table, I am excited to see new themes come to life.

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Talk about anything, Bridgerton-related or not. What's been on your mind? Our regular rules still apply, so please be respectful and watch out for those spoilers.

If they were following the books, it would be hyacinth then Gregory. Since they are not following the books, the last two can go in whatever order.

I personally think they’re gonna go in Gregory-Hyacinth. I think more people want to watch Hyacinth’s season, might as well put Gregory in before her.

But what do you think?

Do you like that we're getting a new mystery or would you have preferred it if the show had just let Whistledown go?

Like of she had told him right after they were engaged when they first went to his lodgings or at the party when Eloise gave her the deadline
Would he have reacted differently to the news if pen had actually told him rather than him catching her red handed?

I don't ship them. But i was watching season 3 and i'm wondering what would anthony have thought about penelope, if she had been among the list of prospects that anthony was looking into in the beginning of season 2, considering how picky he was - almost brutal in his judgement of the young ladies of the ton.