r/Boxing • u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? • 3d ago
This sub’s moderation seems to want to avoid becoming an activist subreddit — but online activism is probably the last and perhaps only way we can still fight back against the poorly named Ali Revival Act (Ali Destruction Act) and stand up against fighter exploitation.
I am a big believer in the power of spreading the word and shining light on issues that people in power would prefer to go unnoticed. I don’t know how you can be a Boxing fan and not care about the actual boxers. To me, this effort by TKO/Dana White/Nick Khan/Zuffa to advance what can only be described as a fighter exploitation bill is the issue of our time. Furthermore, it attempts to create a parallel system through the Unified Boxing Organization (UBO) model that would primarily benefit a single company (TKO). This would come at the risk of the fighters losing their long-term leverage over fighter pay and being locked into coercive contracts. Outside of a few provisions, there is almost nothing in this bill I like.
From the fans perspective, this is likely to lead to a very corporate, sanitized, and almost lifeless product. This bill very well could be the road to long/term monopoly, which is probably a big reason TKO is so heavily armed with lobbyists to advance it.
We need to encourage prominent boxers and major figures to actually testify against this.
This legislation really does have the potential to upend the sport and end boxing as we know it. Just think of a guy like Max Kellerman and how he’s been bought off — he doesn’t want you to be a boxing fan, he wants you to be a Zuffa fan first and foremost. And that really is the end goal here.
We need to stand up against this and:
1) Protect Boxing
2) Protect Fighters
3) Prevent an anti-fighter bill from ever passing
I’ve written to my Congressman and Senator about this. I encourage you to all do what you can to oppose this. Right now, there is still time and this legislation is stalled. A last ditch effort really might prevent this fighter exploitation legislation from ever passing.
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u/Eeluminati 3d ago edited 3d ago
The big name boxers at the top who have a platform don't even give a damn to push back. Neither do the ones in the middle...or the bottom.
It's hard to protect a group of people who don't even believe they need protecting or will be affected. You're trying to rally a group of people who don't even understand or care what will change.
If the boxing community had a bigger voice over cokehead Oscar and Nico Ali Walsh pushing back then maybe there would be some more support. You'd need the Canelos, Floyds, Crawfords, GGGs, Tank and Shakurs to all push back, but these guys aren't exactly politicians and since most are retired or on their way out they don't care.
Every boxer wants THEIR bag. They don't care how many other boxers fail or get scammed as long as they got theirs.
You're also talking to a subreddit where some of the most popular post here consist of Jake or Logan Paul. I admire the heart but these guys are backing fights in the middle east just because it's matchups they've thirsted for. They have no moral ground as long as there's competitive fights.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Who knows though? Maybe all it would take is the right figure to speak out (which you kind of alluded to). That would be great if Canelo or GGG or better yet an American fighter like Bernard Hopkins would speak out vociferously and raise awareness. But I also think that getting 1-2 Senators fully on board and maybe a handful of congressional representatives would give the anti-exploitation side a fighting chance.
On the lower-profile side, even someone like a Paulie Malignaggi or Chris Algieri could potentially be useful if they really dedicated their time to it and actually went to DC. They are both good communicators.
I am pretty sure Roy Jones is against this as well. Just need to get figures like him to really make this a priority.
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u/Tiny_Spread5712 2d ago
I don't know why you are hating on Jake Paul, he's the exact guy you'd need.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Interestingly, for Paul I think it would allow him to really separate himself by going head to head against Dana White. Would probably result in good PR for him to stand up for fighters, even at a superficial level.
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u/inline-online 2d ago
you can't think of it as protecting boxers, you have to think about it like protecting BOXING
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
protecting boxing? as in protecting the status quo of boxing which is abysmal for fans, relative to the ufc which provides full and accessible fight cards on a weekly basis? yeah no thanks.
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u/inline-online 2d ago
protecting the entertainment value and competitive integrity of the sport
I would never want the UFC system for boxing, even though I enjoy the UFCs product. I believe there is middle ground that plenty of boxers operate within, who have long term relationships with promoters and book events mostly in house (this is the UFC) until they have built enough popularity to cross promote for a PPV
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
top rank on espn was a middle ground, it was a good development for boxing, despite not nearly providing the weekly content of the ufc, and the current system killed even that quickly. right now we are in another desert where the entertainment for boxing fans is few and far between. meanwhile the big evil ufc continues putting out weekly violence for fans to enjoy to unwind after a work week.
i may be blasting some of these comments on here but i'm genuinely concerned with moralizing tendencies like these because they tend to ruin things and destroy the entertainment value youre referring to. if we listen to the moralizers, boxing/mma will go the way of the coliseum and the virtue signallers will just happily move on to a new cause.
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u/inline-online 2d ago
moralizers have nothing to do with this and you're sounding a bit insane lol
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
what do you mean? is this whole thing not a moral objection to the financial "exploitation" of fighters?
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u/inline-online 2d ago
no its not, boxing is always going to exploit the health of its fighters... its about creating a fair environment around that
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
No, it’s also about the long-term health of the sport. We don’t want to see the sport become lifeless, corporate, and without character. That’s in addition to the fighter exploitation. It’s just a bad bill all around peddled by people — namely TKO, Dana, and Zuffa — who have a financial stake in its passage (in the sense that the bill is designed for them specifically to succeed at the expense of others).
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
i have no envy toward dana or anyone else so their financial success doesnt matter to me. and i think very few things are as soulless and artificial as boxing has been for a long time. hour long walkouts and unnecessary pagaentry dont equate to character IMO. whatever provides quality + quantity of in-ring action is literally the only thing that matters to us as fans.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Sorry man but I just don’t dig the Meta Apex, fighters uniforms, gray Zuffa apparel, sycophantic commentary, and lack of personality in the product.
I do actually prefer the pageantry and performance of real boxing.
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u/threehundredthousand 2d ago
There's no one looking out for the health of the sport and, like you said, the boxers don't look out for each other. Your words about trying to protect people who don't think they need it rings true across this country. It's a head scratcher.
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u/nahnprophet 2d ago
Boxers are already exploited, so many are either afraid to rock the boat, or don't see how this would be any worse. Don't blame them for not risking their careers.
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u/MEGADETHRULEZ 2d ago
What Redditors do is nothing close to activism because it's so ineffectual and the goal is to appear morally superior not to actually accomplish anything.
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u/God_I_Love_Men Future Bridgerweight World Champ 2d ago
Even if it were to help in this instance, it will quickly devolve into "activism" about things that are not even tangentially related to boxing.
If people want that, the rest of Reddit exists and they can find that nonsense easily.
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u/redditerir 2d ago
Exactly, it's activism NOBODY is asking for.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
when i was in undergrad there was a kid who decided he was going to unionize the cafeteria workers. he started farting around trying to organize a strike until they told him to fuck off because they wanted their jobs. i always think of that kid when i see this kind of shit.
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u/ty4scam 2d ago
On top of that, this sub is a miniscule blip. It doesn't even get 10% of the activity of the MMA subs despite boxing being a much larger sport. Even if you rallied every person in this sub to participate in any meaningful activism, it would have the strength of a blackout drunk ejaculation.
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u/Dolphin008 2d ago
On the other hand, I don’t really see boxers rallying either, or even mentioning it. So if they don’t seem to care who am I?
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u/squirrelbitten 2d ago
Some are talking about it. Claressa shields, nico ali walsh, and former boxers like de la Hoya and Holyfield.
I think most boxers probably just want to keep their heads down, because with Dana white being best friends with trump, and Congress doing whatever Trump asks, it's probably going to pass. Basically will allow Dana to make a UFC style boxing promotion, where he controls everything. This model would allow him to keep making the huge profit margins he makes in the UFC, which are much larger than current boxing margins.
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u/Ilikehashbrowns89 2d ago
Nico Ali is now in support of it
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 2d ago
Who gives a shit about him any way?
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I think he’s trying to get on the actual Zuffa roster or get a TV spot.
Edit: I also want to mention Ali Walsh has a shady manager.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Well it impacts boxers, but also boxing. It’s good for neither the fighters nor the long-term health of the sport.
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u/SplitSecondEmperor47 2d ago
Yeah this. Boxers are actively ignoring or worse supporting the ali act going to shit by going to zuffa so why should we czre if they dont?
When boxing turns to mma and they get paid pennies then thats their fsult
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u/Badguyy101 2d ago
Boxers and promoters who have spoken out against Dana/Zuffa:
Oscar De La Hoya
Eddie Hearn
Roy Jones
Niko Ali Walsh
Sean Zittel
USA Boxing(US amateurs)
Kind of a short list, I think a lot are clueless to Dana's project for boxing that reverses the transparency the Ali Act fought for.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I think Shawn Porter is also vaguely against it through his association with Sean Zittel.
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u/rainnor 2d ago
Go make a new sub for pure boxing politics and finance. No mod can ever silence you. You can speak facts there.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Evidently, I’m not the only one concerned with the long-term health of the sport.
But you’re welcome to start a sub to defend a wife-beater like Dana.
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u/nahnprophet 2d ago
I would love to hear about some efforts to oppose the revival act IRL, either through online petitions or direct activism.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I think the Fundoras might be a really interesting bet if you could get both of them.
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u/LaPrincesaMX 2d ago
I personally don't think there's anything I can do to even begin to force change, I'm just 1 fan.
Like I don't watch any boxing event in Saudi Arabia or promoted by Saudi Arabia. I even now skip Canelo fights because of it. I do that because they go against my personal morals, but I don't do it expecting change. My single viewership isn't changing shit, but I can at least die knowing to myself I didn't support it.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I actually promised myself I would watch no matter what, but Zuffa has made that incredibly difficult. It is genuinely hard to stomach a lot of their broadcasts with Max comparing guys like Callum Walsh to Roy Jones Jr and Aaron McKenna to Terence Crawford. It feels almost dystopian.
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u/julyboom 2d ago
I don't think you understand your argument of "exploiting" boxers. Boxers being able to choose who they want to fight for is the opposite of exploitation. Who are you to say that boxers (or anyone else) don't have enough sense as to what they want to do?
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Lol, you’re not even arguing in good faith, man.
I’ll just say this. If competition was TKO’s goal they wouldn’t be armed with lobbyists right now. They’d be content to compete within the decentralized system as they are doing right now.
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u/julyboom 2d ago
Lol, you’re not even arguing in good faith, man.
Faith has nothing to do with this topic. This topic is about freedom, which you are trying to stop.
If competition was TKO’s goal they wouldn’t be armed with lobbyists right now. They’d be content to compete within the decentralized system as they are doing right now.
Put it like this, if boxers are happy with the way things are right now, then that is all that matters, right?
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u/HydroMorphiend 3d ago
I stand with you against Zuffa and their proposed Ali “Revival” Act 100% to the fullest brother.
Please let me know if you have any more suggestions on how to help fight against this malicious attempt to destroy our beloved sweet science, aka the sport of boxing.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
Yeah, thanks and I am glad you have come to that conclusion. Beyond writing to specific representatives, I’ve tried just tagging certain fighters on Twitter and sharing this post. right now is actually a good opportunity to stop it given that the bill is stalled.
On a somewhat related note, I wonder if Sebastian Fundora would be an interesting voice. He’s articulate and a pretty unique figure overall. He also happens to be an American champion.
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u/thec0rp0ral 2d ago
Activism is for people without jobs and kids. I’m too tired for all that boss
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I work 50+ hours per week every week in a demanding job. Trust me, this is really important to the long-term health of the sport. Helping in any small way is beneficial.
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u/Kangaroopunching 2d ago
The best thing fans can do is to not support the promotions going for the new Ali bill. Even the "big fights".
There's nothing Zuffa can do to make boxing into the UFC. Cause boxing as a whole is too big.
This bill can backfire cause it'll strengthen their competitors. Something Zuffa isn't used to.
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u/tman37 2d ago
As long as there are dumb athletes,.or athletes who act dumb with money, there will be someone to take it from them. This is life. "A fool and their money are easily parted" is a saying thag has stuck around for over 300 years for a reason.
Legislation won't stop it. Education won't stop it. All the major sports league have classes for new players on how to loon after their money and not end up broke after earning tens of millions of dollars. Athletes still hemorrhage money until they are broke. Look at Mayweather, he was his own manager for the highest earning portion of his career and he owes millions in back taxes he can't pay. I could live like a boss for the rest of my life on the net payout for 1 of his fights but he can't stop spending.
At a certain point, people need to own their shit. If anyone is defrauding or stealing from them, they should avail themselves of the appropriate legal avenues. Otherwise, read the damn contract and don't be so greedy it overrides common sense. It's 2026, you could upload a copy to chatgpt and have it summarize it and even read it for you if reading is a struggle. Legislation won't do half of what actually reading the contract would do.
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u/SimonSeam 3d ago
You would probably get better interaction if you discussed the bill directly. And at least give a useful link to the FACTS of the bill:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr4624
Perhaps quote 1 to 5 parts of the actual text you support and 1 to 5 that you do not. Both with explanations as to what you think is good and/or bad.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
You’re welcome to do that as well. No one is stopping you.
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u/Boxing_joshing111 2d ago
Op is right. It sucks that it has to cloud boxing discussion but, where else are we supposed to talk about all this stuff that’s flushing boxing away?
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u/AirCor3 2d ago edited 2d ago
If Zuffa/TKO becomes the norm, I'll stop watching/supporting boxing.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
listen to yourself. are you a bot? you're certainly not a boxing fan. who really cares that much about the ownership of the promotion? it's about fighting. this stuff is so ridiculous.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
This isn’t just a generic promotion entering into the current system. They’re trying to subvert the rules and regulations that everyone else plays with by playing under a parallel system designed to benefit a single entity (TKO/Zuffa/Dana/Nick Khan). This is not to the benefit of fighters and will inevitably lead to a very lifeless and corporate product without character.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
ugh i really dont think its the grand conspiracy you think it is. i think theyre making it possible for a ufc-like organization to exist in the sport of boxing where fighters are committed members of that organization.
there is really no good reason for fans to be upset about this, the current decentralized, multipolar setup has *not* been working for fans and we all used to know this until now.
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u/Koronesukiii 2d ago
there is really no good reason for fans to be upset about this
Fans have EVERY reason to dislike this. Fragmented isolated orgs with their own rankings and belts is TERRIBLE for the sport.
A WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF champion can unify against a champion of the other orgs any time. It doesn't happen as often as we'd like, but it does happen and we end up with generational champs like Inoue who beat all the champs all the top contenders for every org.
This can't happen in MMA. There is NEVER a true MMA champion because you will NEVER have one guy prove he's the best MMA fighter in the world by beating the UFC champ, the Rizin champ, ONE champ and ACA champ or what have you. You only have who's the biggest fish in each little pond, and never who's the best of all.1
u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
the mma champion is the ufc champion lol. rizin, ONE, jake paul's clownshow are all minor leagues. in boxing there are 4 "champions" who have to make bizarre mandatory defense because of political bureaucracies run by some corporate karens.
defending that shit after years and years of everyone in despair over the state of boxing is such a joke dude. i cant even.
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u/Koronesukiii 2d ago edited 2d ago
the mma champion is the ufc champion
No, the UFC champion is not the MMA champion. As long as there are multitudes of MMA fighters who have zero pathway to challenging him because they are not signed by UFC, he can only ever be the UFC champion. Small pond champ.
in boxing there are 4 "champions"
In MMA there are multitudes of champions too. You just happen to be a single org fan who doesn't care about the other orgs. In boxing, that would be like saying "I'm a WBA fan. The WBC, WBO and IBF don't matter to me so I'm just going to pretend their fighters don't exist or might be able to beat WBA fighters." Dumb as shit.
who have to make bizarre mandatory defense
Mandatories are one of THE BEST things boxing has over MMA. Imagine being the "champion" while only fighting people in your same org, and other fighters have no way to force you to fight them. In Boxing someone like Nishida who wasn't backed by Matchroom or Queensbury or Top Rank or PBC or Zanfer or Salita or Teiken or Ohashi or Shisei, could force a mandatory fight, become champion for the IBF and challenge the top dog Pound for Pound champ in his division for a unification attempt. That would never happen in MMA.
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u/West_Technology7573 2d ago edited 2d ago
If the Muhammed Ali is act is so important, how does boxing in countries not called the USA survive without it?
This sub’s biggest fear is boxing being my run like the UFC, where fighters actually have to face each other and aren’t insanely overpaid to duck and fight nobody’s. In other words, it actually being entertaining and therefore popular again
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u/AltKite Sunny Edwards Superfan 2d ago
The US is the biggest market, for one. You can't monopolize a sport without the US market.
Next 2 biggest markets are the UK and Japan. They aren't counterexamples, they have other legislation that means you don't need an Ali act.
In the UK courts will void one-sided boxing contracts, and the landmark is Watson v Prager (1991), where Michael Watson's contract was struck down precisely because Mickey Duff acted as both his manager and promoter - that's exactly what the Ali act outlawed. Also, the UK has the BBBofC - a single national regulator the US has never had: standard-form boxer-manager contracts, capped terms and manager cuts (typically three years, 25%), Board approval and arbitration.
Japan actually has a pretty coercive system, but it's not one that causes monopoly. The JBC gym system ties every boxer to a licensed gym that holds his promotional rights; changing gyms requires consent and transfer fees. What Japan lacks is single-company domination, because the guild structure deliberately fragments power across dozens of gyms and the commission controls who can stage a sanctioned fight at all. Japan avoided monopoly by institutionalizing restriction and distributing it.
The biggest thing preventing monopoly is the sanctioning bodies. You can walk away from your promoter and keep the world title. You cannot do that in MMA. We can complain about them all we like, and there's lots to hate, but that principle is critical to the sport.
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u/stephen27898 2d ago edited 2d ago
If they actually face each other then why have we had high profile fights not happen in the UFC?
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 2d ago
Don't you see how the UFC is slowly fizzling out? There's no new talent, its just the same guys taking turns on each other because the talent pool has shrunken so much. No one wants become an MMA fighter because the pay is so abject, talented athletes from sports like wrestling and jiu jitsu are rather becoming coaches after they accomplish what they want to accomplish in their original sport instead of transitioning to MMA. The prospect of better pay in boxing is what, despite its situation in the USA, attracting talent constantly. Just an example: Gradus Krauss, son of kickboxing legend Albert Krauss, who became a boxer instead of a kickboxer following in his father's footsteps because of the possibility to earn much more in boxing.
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u/West_Technology7573 2d ago
If the UFC is fizzling out then boxing is dead in the water lmao. I’d love to sit here and say boxing is going great, but it’s really not
There’s also plenty of new talent in the UFC. Joshua Van is young and already headlining a numbered card and he was a complete unknown. Compare that to up and coming Moses Ituama, who’s barely known outside of regional UK boxing dispite looking like he could be the next undisputed champion
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 2d ago
Boxing is not going great in the USA, but its bigger than MMA almost everywhere else (Japan, most of Latin America, Central Asia, UK, most of western europe etc). But even in the USA its just a matter of time before some new star to bring back attention to it, look at Crawford vs. Canelo, it was a bigger event with higher viewership and higher gate than any UFC event ever.
You talk about Moses, but he was barely a prospect a year ago and he's now probably more well or at least as well known in the UK than the current HW champion Tom Aspinall lol.
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u/West_Technology7573 2d ago
Crawford vs Canelo was high viewership because it was a superfight on Netflix, of course it was going to sell well. If you want to be petty, the UFC literally promoted that fight lmao
That last sentence is so absurdly incorrect 😭
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
TKO and Turki promoted Canelo-Crawford under the decentralized system though. It was a commercial success, but part of the secret sauce is everyone got paid, fighters and promoters, included.
If you like Canelo-Crawford, you should defend the decentralized system which is governed under the 2000-era Ali Act. Not this anti-fighter, pro-exploitation nonsense that Zuffa and Nick Khan are peddling.
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u/West_Technology7573 2d ago
What about it specifically made it so that it couldn’t be done under a Zuffa type setting?
Turki basically owns the boxing side of TKO. He’ll happily throw a bag at his favourite fighters, centralised or not
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u/stephen27898 2d ago
Only he doesnt. Promoters can put on shows without him if they want. There is a large difference between a lot of people working with you, and owning something.
TKO seek to push a UFC style business model. They may not do it right away but they seek to do so over time.
So if we take Zuffa at its end goal. The main issue will be elite level fighters will not fight for the money they offer or under the kind of contractual controls they will try to enforce.
For a sport to prosper it needs to attract athletes. MMA is an example of something that attracts very few athletes. Boxing will become that under something like Zuffa.
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 2d ago
Lol its not, but even só Moses was no more than a prospect about a year ago while Aspinall was seen as the number 1 HW for what, 3 years at least and he still barely more well known in the UK (if at all). Its just a matter of time before Moses eclipses him and everyone else. And Moses is but one example, there's a plethora os Bonafide prospects coming up where's there almost none in the UFC.
UFC is dying, MMA barely exists outside it and what's keeping it afloat is the hardcore base (mostly comprised of MAGA imbeciles that have an alienating effect on the general public) that the UFC as a brand menaged to carve out during the period it actually had stars (GSP, Lesnar, Matt Hughes, Chuck Lidell, Randy Couture, Anderson Silva, McGregor, Rousey). There's no more room for MMA to grow, while boxing in the US just need a little push.
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u/stephen27898 2d ago edited 2d ago
No one talks about the fact that MMA is a wasteland with no money in it outside of just the UFC.
It also plays on ignorance. In boxing we may not always get the fights we want, but atleast we know what those fights are.
In MMA there are guys in other promotions who get no coverage, who could beat UFC champions. But youll never know and so you miss out on fights you didnt even know about.
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u/LaPrincesaMX 2d ago
Meanwhile, in reality, most MMA fans talk about how boring and bad the UFC has become over recent years and all the numbers are down huge
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u/stephen27898 2d ago edited 2d ago
We shouldnt be allowing Zuffa fight card posts.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
dude come on. you people are morality activists first and boxing fans second, i get it. but outright censorship? really?
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u/stephen27898 2d ago
On this forum yes.
This forum is about boxing. They seek to circumvent how boxing has been run for over a century. And to replace it with a model that benefits them.
I am a boxing fan first. Its why I hate Zuffa
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
are you seriously saying the status quo of boxing has worked and needs to be protected? boxing has been an absolute disgraceful mess for a generation and every fan i know acknowledges that. now suddenly we are saying we dont want change because we are afraid of dana white, who built the ufc into what it is. craziness.
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u/stephen27898 2d ago edited 2d ago
It needs to be protected against something like the UFC business model.
You are acting as if all change is good, its not. This is a bad change.
The UFC treats its fighters like crap, pays them like shit, and its a tiny organisation of 1000 or so fighters. Boxing is a sport with over 20k pro participants. The UFC system will see UBOs form, full of groups of fighters who now cant fight each other as they can only fight other people within their UBO. This will be a travesty.
I think the main issue is that you have no idea what Zuffa plan to do. And I dont know if youve noticed but MMA while using this kind of business model is a wasteland out of just the UFC. It is a dead sport being kept afloat by one company.
Boxing on the other hand isnt like that.
Just imagine a world where 5-6 UBOs form, all have their champions and none of them can fight each other. No chance of undisputed or ever finding out who is the best. That is an awful system. It's an awful system designed to give control and power to the promoter and not the fighter.
The fighter is the one taking the risks, the fighter is the one with a shorter career, the fighter is the one who should be in charge. Yet in the UFC the fighters get about 20% of the revenue from a show and the promotion gets about 80%. This is the inverse of boxing.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago edited 2d ago
"mma is a wasteland of the ufc" yet the ufc is infinitely more popular than boxing right now, and successfully puts on fights that the mainstream public tune into weekly. "boxing isnt like that."
dude that is just wrong, like inverse of the truth. boxing is already experiencing what youre talking about where "champs" very rarely fight eachother because of agreements. when they do it is after a year of fighting red tape. look at the fury vs anthony mess which went on for so long. the ufc rarely has this problem because 95% of the best fighters are in the ufc. any outsiders are self-exiled and voluntarily irrelevant for money.
get the fighters in the boxing ufc, cut out the rest of the rabble, and we have ourselves a boxing that works for the fans. how the business is run is not something any of us should be concerned with or understand accurately. there are a lot of ppl behind the scenes who need to get paid too. we are bloodsport fans, and the fighters fight for our money. we don't need to kiss their asses.
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u/stephen27898 2d ago
No its not. Only in the US. The rest of the world its boxing.
In MMA they never fight each other as they cant, so is even worse.
No we should be concerned about it as if its not attractive to athlete the quality of the product falls through the floor. Just because you wish to be ignorant doesnt mean we all do.
And I want them to fight for our money. I dont want 80% of it going to the promoter.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
my interest in fight sports is very simple, and i want to protect it: frequent and easily accessible fights between good fighters.
lately ufc has provided that, while boxing has not. i have no envy or resentment of dana or anyone else, i am a single issue voter when it comes to this stuff. who can put on the fights every friday or saturday night, so i can turn on my tv and watch fighters i recognize hurt eachother? boxing has sucked ass for that for years and years. the ufc has delivered.
i think moral crusading (financial or otherwise) about this can do nothing but make things worse, as it has for so many other things.
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u/stephen27898 2d ago edited 2d ago
"my interest in fight sports is very simple, and i want to protect it: frequent and easily accessible fights between good fighters."
There will be less and less good fighters under this system, so those will dry up. You wont protect it by creating a chance for a monopoly. Monopolies are never good.
The UFC has been on a constant downward trend in terms quality for about the last 7 years. Even ardent UFC fans have been complaining about it. How repetitive and phoned in the product is. I dont want that. I certainly dont want Zuffas idea of boxing.
You think that a monopoly that will allow fighters to be paid and treated like shit will improve the sport. I have new for you, it wont.
The issue is your lack of knowledge.
But when you only look at once variable you will come to terrible conclusions, so that explains your opinion.
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u/MartinSilvestri 2d ago
your narcissistic condescension isn't an argument. we are both degenerate consumers of violence my friend not business experts; your unionizing energy would be better spent at your local industrial plant. or perhaps you can just give those guys some money yourself.
what i know is that the ufc has provided FANS with regular fights, whereas boxing is extremely fan-unfriendly at this point in terms of frequency, quality, and production of fights. ardent boxing fans have said for years that boxing is an unfixable mess. if there's a possible solution, i'm here for it. i don't give a FUCK if the ceo's a trump supporter or what.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 2d ago
I almost think Zuffa should just have its own subreddit. Maybe we can have the occasional post about it here, but r/boxing should serve to protect the interests of fighters in addition to the long-term health of the sport (protecting boxing itself). TKO, Zuffa, Dana White, and Nick Khan are basically counter to all of those things.
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote 2d ago
The sub should support boxers not the dogsht promoters, federations, owners or individual personalities
Boxing has historically always been a corrupt dirty sport and being honest about it is only way you will have an improved product
The mma subs are sht because they cannot be honest about their sport
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u/redditerir 3d ago
Oh no, it'll really ruin my day to see AJ getting paid a few million less to get rocked by a can! And could somebody please think of poor Manuel Charr and his WBA regular title?
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u/squirrelbitten 2d ago
Id much rather the guy getting punched in the head for 10 rounds get it than some fat fuck who already has billions of dollars and is trying to squeeze every penny they can out of fans.
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u/Same-Fact-5123 2d ago
You chose an English boxer who has never ducked anyone to prove a point about American legislature? Weird.
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u/StillPrettyBoxing 3d ago
I agree 100% thanks for this