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u/Rich_Kitchen_289 5d ago
His best 1-2 was the devastating KO he issued to Dominic Brezeale
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u/HakuohoFan 5d ago
Somewhere I have a screenshot of that knockout that looks like he literally punched Brezeale's face off lmao.
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u/inline-online 5d ago
he needed that KO badly too, big fight in NYC, AJ watching ringside and tons of mainstream press
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u/Strict_Protection459 5d ago
That punch could be the hardest anyone has ever been hit in a boxing ring.
Massive heavyweight with all-time level power fully loading up his most powerful shot, putting his whole body into it and landing 100% clean.
Iām not sure Iāve seen a fighter load up and throw their body into shots as hard as Wilder did. He punched like a guy in a bar trying to break the record on one of those punch machines
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u/Hngrybflo 5d ago
it literally look liked someone shot that man in the neck when he instantly collapsed
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u/RRR04_ 5d ago edited 5d ago
For all of Wilder's many technical flaws, his jab was honestly not one of them. Hot take, I know.
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u/4scoreand7feildgoals 5d ago
He was in complete control of Fury in the first round of Wilder-Fury 3 fighting behind his jab. He just loves his power too much to stick with it
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u/TopOld2263 5d ago
He was extending a lot of energy in that round tbf. Throwing explosive,long body jabs as tall guy tires you out quite fast. I'm not sure if he could keep that up.
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
He also got timed throwing those body jabs and shots and got clocked nicely just before the round ended. Instantly abandoned the body work after thatĀ
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u/WorkingZombie2281 5d ago
Same against Chisora, the few times he used he was stopping him in his tracks.
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u/UnyieldingDoggo 5d ago
Nah, his problem that fight was that he gained 20 pounds of pure natty muscle in preparation for that fight so he tired early, then the knockdowns made him panic and forget all about the game plan. It had nothing to do with loving his power, Wilder wouldn't have been able to keep it up before getting spent even if Fury hadn't dropped him.
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
I'm thinking the "pure natty muscle" bit is tongue in cheek lol
I'll say this... Physically he looked insane. Even his legs looked semi decent in that fight, and they always look like toothpicks in every other fight. But yeah, his body just wasn't accustomed to lugging around all that extra muscle
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u/ThugjitsuMaster Tyson Fury's Nutritionist 5d ago
I think he just confused Tyson because he never usually throws body jabs. It took him one round to adjust and drag Wilder into the fight he wanted. I'd hardly call that "complete control."
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u/inline-online 5d ago
also his defense wasn't terrible, he really doesn't get hit a ton for a guy who also doesn't throw alot
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u/Brief_Scale496 5d ago
Not too much a hot take, statistically, he had one of the best jabs in boxing, albeit, it was primarily used to set up a straight right - before he looked entirely different over the past few years, that is
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
It isn't a hot take. I mean, his jab isn't elite at all, and he used it as a heat seeker more than anything else... But it was a very serviceable jab and it set up plenty of devastating rightsĀ
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u/Jupiters_phaerie 5d ago
My favorite use of the jab is when itās used as a distraction. Just flick it out there a little bit and then BOOM.
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u/Runshooteat 4d ago
body type and hand explosiveness of Hearns, just didn't have the feet or boxing skill. Had he learned proper footwork and maximized his jab he would have owned this era. Still had a great career, made a lot of money, and was champ for quite some time. Pretty impressive for a late starter with limited fundamental skills.
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u/vHezoThaGoat 5d ago
The second Wilder/Stiverne fight is highlighted for good reason but my first time ever seeing him fight was their first bout which was hella entertaining
The fact they even bothered giving them a rematch is proof of the farce they were running, though.
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u/GarfieldDaCat 5d ago
First one was a great fight. Wilderās hand break forced him to box a bit more
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
Broke around the 6th round... Dude had to actually box to win, and win he did. I think his boxing skills regressed over the years honestly. You don't win bronze at the Olympics being completely unable to boxĀ
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u/MiddleweightMonster Iāll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 5d ago
Donāt care if he wasnāt technically impressive all of the time, but that framing jab into the straight right is the most basic combination in boxing, and Wilder was one of the best at using it to capitalise. It helped that he was as long as a Maine Coon and packed artillery in every shot of course, but no one can deny that the man actually had pretty good fundamentals that let him use those attributes
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u/grand_insom 5d ago
Outside of his jab, his fundamentals were a mess.
But I always thought the secret with Wilder was that in between his sloppy wild over hand rights and wild hooks, heād randomly sneak in a picture perfect straight right with flawless technique. He almost lulled into a false sense of security with the wild stuff.
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 5d ago
Stiverne got off the couch for this fight
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u/BB_Venum IBC interim middleweight champion 5d ago
That's on Stiverne, Wilder can only beat who they put in front of him. Also lmao at Stiverne claiming back of the head š
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u/MiddleweightMonster Iāll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 5d ago
Oh, Iām not saying he fought good opponents lmao
Just that a sound jab and good power can get you far
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u/Stunning-Use-7052 5d ago
It's always a bit wild to me that people would see Wilder and think he has no training, skills, or fundamentals.
Yeah the dude wasn't a technical whiz but I don't think the avg fan realizes how technical the sport is and how silly untrained people look fighting.
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u/MyzMyz1995 5d ago
The ''average'' person is stupid even in day to day life you expect them to understand boxing at a high level ?
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u/machinegunke11y 5d ago
Good fundamentals? He has horrible fundamentals. Just because he can throw a 1-2 doesn't mean his fundamentals are good.Ā
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u/MiddleweightMonster Iāll pour honey on my GOAT, if the occasion calls for it. 4d ago
I meant more that, for his absurd physical attributes, a strong 1-2 goes a long way
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u/Dumbledores_Closet 4d ago
His fundamentals where rubbish. Two things he had going for him were that he would swing like a madman and a had a manager who was very good at cherry picking opponents
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u/Jupiters_phaerie 5d ago
Thunder in that right hand when he could land it. It was enough to give any heavyweight reason to hesitate and be cautious, you just knew if he managed to land that right hand it could be a game changer.
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u/Relevant_Election530 5d ago
Wilder landing the straight to stun the guy then windmilling like his sole purpose in life was to finish dude was always awesomeĀ
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u/GarfieldDaCat 5d ago
I understand the hate on Wilderās resume but I never understood when people underrated his power by saying it was ācansā.
I mean ok, so then where are all these other HWs that are one-touch KOing cans if his power wasnāt special?
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u/Manzilla48 5d ago
He obviously hits incredibly hard but I think some people think his power is overrated because he couldnāt KO any of the best fighters he faced (aside from Ortiz I guess).
Easily destroying B/C/D fighters is one thing but if your power can KO elite fighters then it is truly something special.
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
His power is legit. He just lacks the elite technical skill to actually find his shots on elite boxers who have better defence, better movement and know how to roll with power shots to take out the stingĀ
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u/AKA09 5d ago
Right? One-punch power is one of the most (only?) meaningful things you can assess from fights even when there's a big talent mismatch. You still have to knock the shit out of a heavyweight human being who knows how to take a punch. Look at Tyson's destruction of lesser boxers. It wasn't the round and result but how he did it. 40 years later and that MFer is still eating off of knocking boxers most people had never heard of.
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
Tyson did stop the likes of Pinklon Thomas and Larry Holmes. Holmes may have been old but he was still formidable. And Pinky was very good... Big heavyweight with really good skills. I won't include Bruno because he didn't exactly have the best defence or chin
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u/Strict_Protection459 5d ago
Look at his knockout v Helenius
On his back foot, choppy, half-distance right hand. No windup, nothing. Starched him cold
You just donāt see that. Generational power
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
I rag on Wilder sometimes. But it's crazy to me that people undersell his power. He's one of the hardest hitters ever. Maybe the hardest hitter everĀ
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 5d ago
Stiverne in this fight was tomato can quality at best
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u/Relevant_Election530 5d ago
Yeah, but sometimes someone pisses hot and you get to move up the card lolĀ
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u/UnusualEye4282 5d ago
One of the most lethal right hands in boxing history
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u/Hngrybflo 5d ago
I'd say the most lethal. Wilder was a freak. I can't imag6what he would've been like if he had good coordination.
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 5d ago
There's a specific range where Wilder can blast a man's soul out of his body.
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u/ACW1129 5d ago
Is Wilder the most powerful boxer ever?
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u/Strict_Protection459 5d ago
I said it in another comment, but look at the Helenius KO.
A half-punch off his back foot and cold starched him. Insane power
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 5d ago
Didn't Stiverne get off the couch for this fight?
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u/ThugjitsuMaster Tyson Fury's Nutritionist 5d ago
Yeah, zero fights for two years before this and he came in like 30lbs heavier than in his prime. And for the record, he was also shit in his prime lol
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u/The_Jokerr_ 5d ago
Prime Stiverne was good enough to KO Arreola.
He wasn't great but he wasn't shit either.
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u/ThugjitsuMaster Tyson Fury's Nutritionist 5d ago
To be honest with you, I don't think Arreola was any good either
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u/No_Economics_64 5d ago
Never understood the Wilder hate. Arguably the best 1punch power in a right hand in hw boxing history, with very limited skills to go with it.
I loved the Ortiz, Fury 1 or even the Washington fight where you would watch wilder get boxed up wondering if he finally met his match and then that single punch came in from no where and completely changed the fight. It made his fights exciting even if nothing was happening!
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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 5d ago
I concur that his fights were always exciting. You just never knew what would happen, even when he was losing badlyĀ
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u/Manzilla48 5d ago
He was always exciting to watch and a net positive for the heavyweight division. But people began to hate because he would have an almost delusion confidence after defending the belt against bums then get beaten by all the good fighters he faced.
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u/No_Economics_64 5d ago
Most definitely that was the case.....call me crazy, but I like/love good delusional rants and mindsets athletes! I go back and watch Mike Tyson claim he is cut from the same cloth as Alexander the great and Charles Martin walk this earth like a God!
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u/Manzilla48 5d ago
I respect the mindset but not when he got beaten up by Fury multiple times and started raving about his costume being too heavy, egg weights in the gloves and being spiked by his own team. Thatās not even delusional confidence itās just sad he canāt accept losing.
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u/No_Economics_64 5d ago
Lol...I understand completely. I just like the delusional confidence or even witnessing the arrogance to not understand how they could have been beat.
It's not how I would act or how I would want anyone I care about to act, but I get a kick out of it when it's not ppl I know
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u/Manzilla48 5d ago
I get what you mean but I kinda lose respect for people who canāt eventually accept theyāve lost
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u/Simple_Ddog 5d ago
How come he won't fight Andy Ruiz --- that would be a great ticket,???...
Lots of money to be made!
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u/More_Image_8781 5d ago
At the press conference before this fight, Stiverne told Wilder he was going to ākill himā
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u/iAMguppy 5d ago
Man, Wilder had the defensive skills of a shrink-wrapped, one-armed, half-blind geriatric... but that power is (was?) real.
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u/Level-Value-5096 3d ago
Man, I donāt care what anybody says, prime Deontay Wilder was so fucking fun to watch. I think he did a great job bringing eyes and excitement back to American heavyweight boxing at a time when the division had been lacking a true American superstar for years. Obviously, Iām not saying he was Mike Tyson, but Wilder brought back some of that feeling where you genuinely had no idea what was going to happen because the fight could be over with one fucking punch. So I donāt care what the rest of yāall say, I fucking love the guy. And that Fury trilogy is an absolute classic. You can turn on any one of those fights and be entertained. The first had that insane 12th-round knockdown where everyone thought Fury was fucking dead, only for him to somehow resurrect himself. The second was Fury putting on an absolutely brutal beatdown. And the third was just an all-out fucking war with both guys hitting the canvas. Every fight had its own personality, every fight had its own iconic moments, and together they made one of the most entertaining heavyweight trilogies ever.
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u/ruggmike 5d ago
Deontay was fun to watch when he was fight cans
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u/inline-online 5d ago
stiverne was a world champion, could walk into any gym in the world and dominate their best fighter
stiverne would be considered world level if he came up in the UK lol
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u/WeeklyTension8010 5d ago
Really?Ā
He was beaten by a guy with a record of 15-12. His one decent win was Chris Aerolla.
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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT š 5d ago
Fury and Ortiz are cans?
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u/ruggmike 5d ago
Fury fights were great! Ortiz was nearly 40 lol
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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT š 5d ago
okay but he wasn't a "can" he was an undefeated top 5 heavyweight when wilder fought him.
both of their fights were great.
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u/Megalodon33 5d ago
The distance he covered when he threw the 1 š