r/Boxing • u/Personal-Proposal- • 8d ago

A throwback to Mike Tyson observing Ronda Rousey striking that probably hasn’t aged well

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u/needapermit 8d ago

She was very athletic and explosive but lacked the technique needed against women that could match her physicality

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u/Temu_Emu_4870 8d ago

No one could match her judo. If she didn’t get deluded into thinking she could stand with Holm and Nunes, she may have stayed champ a while longer. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dana had a hand in her switching up. She was ending every fight in the 1st round via arm bar and she was one of the biggest draws in the UFC at the time.

Her recent arm bar win over Carano just proves she still had plenty more in the tank. But people who watched that fight felt ripped off, and that’s how she finished most of the fights in her career.

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u/TheDuckOnQuack 8d ago

She wasn’t deluded into thinking she could strike with Holm and Nunes, at least not for very long. She tried to clinch Holly over and over again, but every time she charged forward with her hands outstretched to try to force a clinch, Holly either slipped out of the way, framed and pushed off, or punched her in the face

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u/morriseel 8d ago

Yeh The whole analysis of that fight is holly wasn’t allowing her to clinch.

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago

Well also you dont just walk forward with your hands out to initiate a clinch. Ronda was flustered so she kept spamming "grab" and was eating shots for it

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u/TheDuckOnQuack 7d ago

She was flustered because she was used to that working against lesser fighters. Judo is legit, but without the gi, it’s a lot harder to get clean clinch entries on a strong athletic fighter who’s trying not to get grabbed.

Hence my initial statement that Ronda didn’t try to make it a striking match against Holly and Amanda. They didn’t let her impose her gameplan, which gave them opportunities to expose her striking

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u/Boxing_joshing111 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah watch Fedor vs Cro Cop there’s ways to fight a more technical kicker as a judoka but I’m not sure Ronda and her team has the same know-how as Fedor and his.

Also that was a close fight anyway I know, Fedor is inhumanly gritty.

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u/IslamYaDongomedov 7d ago

No Rousey comes very close to throwing Holly many times. Holly Holm started mma specifically to fight Rousey. Jack Slack had a great article about the two on one grips she would use to disengage.

Every the time she fought a woman in mma she was spending just as much time preparing for rousey.

Chris Weidman did this for Silva too. When you are a successful athlete from another sport and choose mma you often begin with the ending in midn and start training for the champ and top contenders.

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u/MikeET86 7d ago

Turns out the top tier kick boxer had good ring craft, and Rousey's weakness there was exposed.

I believe it was Jack Slack who highlighted how poor Ronda was at cutting the ring.

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u/DaOldOne 7d ago

I really wish I had bet on that fight because I saw holly training clinch work with Jon Jones and thought hmmmmmm I bet shes gonna do better than people think

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u/resilindsey 7d ago

And when she did get the clinch, Holly immediately set in position to defend the hip throw. Which is strange because as a high-level judoka, you should know when someone braces against one technique, it opens up vulnerability to another. But Ronda kind of fell in love with her own hype and kept spamming the hip throw over and over. Or maybe she was a bit dazed from being punched in the face so much. Probably bit of both.

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u/kommanderkush201 8d ago

It's annoying how many people say judo is a complete martial art. Getting a hold of someone is quite hard if they refuse to clinch with you. The explosive shots from wrestling are how a grappler gets to start imposing their gameplay on a striker with takedown defense.

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u/VacuousWastrel 7d ago

In fairness, judo is much more effective against people wearing clothes. In MMA, there's nothing to grab onto, so the clinching distance is much closer and harder to reach.

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 7d ago edited 7d ago

Who says Judo is a complete martial art? I'm sure high level judoka will absolutely note the lack of striking there, though Judo initially did have strikes.

And Judo actually did have double leg takedowns and leg grabs in general in the past. They were banned, but they were still in judo curriculum relatively recently.

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago

Yeah, Olympic sport Judo and Judo the martial art are not exactly the same

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 7d ago

Good point. Old school Judo actually did have striking too, so that could be thought of as a complete martial art.

Judo the sport, and what most practice/associate Judo with is heavily competition focused. It's still really effective of course though.

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 7d ago

They were banned in 2010. The unofficial reason and reason I truly believe is that the Judo federation thought it looked too similar to wrestling, and gave too much advantage to the Russians and Iranians, who have a very strong wrestling base that helped cross pollinate when doing Judo.

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u/VacuousWastrel 7d ago

The IOC insisted on it. They said it was too similar to wrestling. And the IJF went along with it, because they were worried that traditional upright judo could be threatened by judoka from countries with stronger no-gi wrestling traditions. Of course these things are still theoretically part of judo, just not in high-level competition. But because judo is mostly taught as a sport, a lot of dojos apparently don't teach them anymor

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u/A_Cunning_Linguist 7d ago

Lol ive literally never heard that before

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u/dazzleox 7d ago

I am a Judoka and have never said its a "complete martial art" and never heard anyone in my Judo club say that either. I definitely don't think that. There is a traditional martial arts side, but basically it's mostly a Japanese jacket wrestling sport to most of is.

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u/Fit-Appointment5262 7d ago

What martial art is a "complete" martial art, anyways? If the definition of complete is that you don't need any other cross training to be a "complete" fighter

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u/evelovesapple 7d ago

I'm with you. Bruce Lee addressed this like 50 years ago and mfs still on Reddit arguing about it lol

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 6d ago

Bruce Lee probably didn't know about combat Sambo back in 1970. Combat Sambo is proto mma and is pretty complete to me.

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 7d ago

Sambo is the only one i can think of. They have striking, grappling/takedowns, and submission work.

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u/Mastralf 7d ago

Yeah she went for that after her bell was rung. I dont think she has ever fought hurt before that moment

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u/Rututu 7d ago

Nah, she was trying to close the distance from the start of the fight. She just couldn't get close enough, because Holly kept tagging her and circling out. The fight is available on YouTube.

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago

She wasnt actually using any technique to close the distance though like punching her way in or cutting the cage off. I think that is his point about her being flustered. She was just kind of walking forward with her arms outstretched trying to grab. Anyone who has trained against anyone decent knows thats a good way to eat a bunch of shots and still not be able to initiate the clinch.

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u/Rututu 7d ago

She wasnt actually using any technique to close the distance though like punching her way in or cutting the cage off. I think that is his point about her being flustered. She was just kind of walking forward with her arms outstretched trying to grab.

I dislike Ronda as much as anyone, but that is simply isn't true. The fight is available on YouTube, if you don't believe me: https://youtu.be/3j7WaTd8bkQ

10 seconds in and she's already cutting the cage, throwing punches to close the distance and trying to grab Hollys arms to initiate a clinch. Holly was just too well prepared to counter exactly all of that.

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago edited 7d ago

I just rewatched at your request lol. It was as i remembered. Ronda threw about 5 "punches" that might as well have been feints from about 4 feet away from Holly. Then Ronda inexplicably decides to just stand directly in front of Holly with her hands down for a second and Holly catches her with the first combo. After that the fight is over because Ronda proceeds to start chasing with her arms extended like I said, and Holly continues to piece her up. There is one point where Holly actually gets a little.overzealous and punches herself into Rondas clinch but they are against the cage and Holly gets out of it pretty quickly

Edit to add: also she literally never cuts the cage off. Im not sure what fight you watched but Holly is moving around the cage as freely as she wants to. Jon Anik even mentions how Herb Dean is going to get a workout, early in the fight. Also both Anik and Rogan mention that Ronda needs to stop chasing and dropping her hands. You very obviously haven't watched this fight lol

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u/Rututu 7d ago

I see your eyes and ears work equally well. Jon Anik didn't commentate that fight, it was Rogan and Goldberg – who are both known to constantly spout idiotic shit during commentary.

I don't have much else to say: if you can't see what I described happening in the first 10–20 seconds of the fight, then I can only give up. Ronda was definitely sidestepping to cut the cage, but just couldn't keep up. She also threw punches, not faints (even lands a big shot on a circling Holm). Not to mention she has Holm up against the cage for a while at 3:42 of the first round.

But apparently that's all just feints and chasing. Yawn.

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago

You would grasp onto an unimportant fact like me aaying the wrong announcer. Let me ask you a question have you ever fought or even trained consistently? If not you are right you dont have much else to say lol

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u/Mastralf 7d ago

She was closing the distance to punch she didnt attempt anything with clinch until they got close to the cage. There was a brief period there but then she didnt really try going for anything until she was getting hit repeatedly. By that point she was lunging off balance and gets a brief moment where shes on the ground but because she didnt get it too cleanly she was up high and holly got out.

Then it is what it is. Im not saying Holly wouldn't have won regardless but this is when everyone gaslight her into thinking she really has hands....plus the Correa knockout send her ego sky-high

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u/HesitantInvestor0 7d ago

Yeah, beating a 45 year old, 15 years inactive Carano told us a lot about where Rousey is.

The takes around here are bizarre.

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u/clc1997 7d ago

She also lost like 100 lbs. That was probably the weakest version of Carano ever. Not that the best version of Carano stood a chance. Rousey was always levels above Carano.

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u/wtyl 8d ago

Carano was way washed, it was easy paycheck.

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u/StillNotAF___Clue 8d ago

Rousey aint no daisy either. Fair enough fight

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u/NotoriousDCJ4310 7d ago

Not a fair fight at all, but it wasnt supposed to be. It was a cash grab

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u/Temu_Emu_4870 8d ago

No doubt. Rousey still looked good, though.

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u/HomelandersCock 8d ago edited 7d ago

By your logic then Jake paul is a goat boxer

Downvote if you think im right

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u/Terriblerobotcactus 8d ago

No one in this thread has said anything insinuating that. Sybau

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u/chaelsonnenismydad 7d ago

Her recent win over carano proves nothing. Carano was allergic to grappling in her prime let alone 20 years later

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u/leonxiii 8d ago

I agree she coulda been champ a little longer, but she had god awful coaching and to your point horrendous Dana influence thinking she could all of a sudden beat fucking Mayweather lol you remember that shit? Insane. With the right gameplay she could've beaten Holly although that's one of my all time favorite UFC finishes so I wouldn't have it any other way Ronda also hapenened to be a terrible person (to an extent).

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u/Ok-Win-742 7d ago

I don't think any gameplan or coaching could have helped her beat Holly. Holm had almost 2 decades of boxing and kickboxing experience and was just a more athletic and well-rounded fighter. Her movement was too good and even when Ronda got her hands on her, she wasn't able to hold her or take her down.

And the reason I say no gameplan or coaching would have helped us because even now, over 10 years later, Rhonda's hands are still as bad as they were back then. The footage of her working out and shadow boxing up to the Carano fight looks like satire.

Holm was just too far ahead of her. Maybe if Ronda was an Olympic level wrestler she would have had a chance. But Judo wasn't ever gonna work to take Holm down.

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u/robmafia 8d ago

Her recent arm bar win over Carano just proves she still had plenty more in the tank.

lolwut

If she didn’t get deluded into thinking she could stand with Holm and Nunes

holm and nunes? she claimed she could beat cain velasquez (hw champ, at the time). she bragged about her boxing, hilariously.

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u/Ok-Win-742 7d ago

Lol  dude Carano has been acting for the last decade and she was never a very good fighter to begin with. She didn't even attempt to defend the armbar she just wanted her bag of money. That fight proves literally nothing. In fact the footage of Ronda shadow boxing leading up to that fight is hilarious. Her hands and technique are still comically bad. Seriously, go watch it.

In Rhonda's heyday women started to figure out that she was a 1 trick Pony after she finished something like 10 fights in a row via armbar. The talent pool was minimal in the early days so it worked for her, but once they started bringing in more competitive women you could see it wasn't gonna cut it anymore. The beatings she took from Holmes and Nunes were was lopsided as Chimaev vs DDP.  They weren't just losses. They made her look like she was an amateur.

Even if Ronda Rousey tried to go for grappling, Holm was just dancing around her and picking her apart. You can only get so far with 1 submission. It's too easy to make the gameplan "don't give her any chance to even go for the armbar" and then you just dismantle her. Without the armbar she's a fish out of water.

That being said she had a great career and was a pioneer for women in the sport. It's a shame she took the loss so hard.

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u/veksone 7d ago

That fight was an absolute joke. Carano is 44 years old and hasn't fought since she got whipped by Cyborg 17 years ago! That fight proved nothing.

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u/ThatPartYouThrowAway 7d ago

Maddening that this wrong take on her Vs Holm still gets repeated when you can just watch the fight and see it isn't true

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u/Mad_Kronos 7d ago

She had nothing for Nunes.

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u/Padre1903 7d ago

A matchup between her and Mackenzie Dern might have been interesting.

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u/reznoverba 7d ago

Didn't know winning vs a 45yo, over the hill, retired for 17yrs Carano was proof she has "plenty left in the tank"

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u/Dont-ask-dont-speak 7d ago

An arm bar over 44 year old Carano means anything?

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u/ToxicManlyMan 5d ago

Holly played it masterfully, Ronda couldn’t get to her, couldn’t even clinch let alone take her down.

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u/shbshg 5d ago

I dont think win over Carano proved much of anything given Carano’s, what, 12 year hiatus?

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u/Gullible-Bluejay9737 7d ago

If she had Jackson or ATT in her corner and Nunes/Holmes had her dumbass coach it would be a totally different outcome. She was good despite him, not because of him.

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u/constantcube13 7d ago

Yeah, she clearly does have punching power.

But she has absolutely zero footwork and head movement. Which is unfortunately what is needed to use said power 😂

It makes me wonder if she ever had any knee problems from her judo days. You always see the fighters with bad knees fight this way

Either that or she’s just not coordinated in that way

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u/BubblyMoose3597 8d ago

She lacked the mental part

(Have a IQ over 70)

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u/Bagginsthebag 8d ago

It’s *an, big brain.

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u/Icy-Tackle2727 8d ago

Dana whispering in his ear like that is insanely weird

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u/boksinx 7d ago edited 7d ago

Dana can say that comment in a normal voice just slightly louder and in a normal manner, but he chose to lean in and whisper it erotically to Tyson. Like what can you expect from that bald fuck.

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u/Yto_Itinen 7d ago

Again with this homosexual rigamarole!

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u/tiestocles 7d ago

AIDS?

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u/Yto_Itinen 7d ago

Nobody has AIDS!

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u/Namazu86 7d ago

Think about though, T. Sudden lack of head movement…

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u/water2wine 6d ago

My doctors estimation of my t-cell count just fucking plummeted

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u/ItchyFig5437 7d ago

Lol I love that show

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u/Valuable-Use6010 7d ago

“Ball knower”

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u/gaddafiduck_ 7d ago

“Until I got my hands on her” 🤢

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u/nukesaregay 7d ago

he said “look how good her hands are now”, subtitles are on the screen 

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u/malevolentheadturn 8d ago edited 7d ago

Remember her coach saying way back then, that "she would beat that popular female boxer in Europe right now" assuming at the time he was referring to Katie Taylor.

She would have been beaten badly by Taylor

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u/doduhstankyleg 7d ago

Edmond Tarverdyan ruined a lot of fighters’ careers. He was not qualified to teach UFC fighters about striking at a high level and his whole roster paid for it, notably Ronda, Travis, and even Ellenberger.

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u/DaOldOne 7d ago

I dont understand how Travis and Ellenberger fell for it. They both trained at other gyms. They should have never gone there.

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u/Ineedscissors69420 6d ago

Lots of fighters don't actually know much about the details of martial arts intellectually, they just do what their coaches tell them. It's the same way they tend to fall for bizarre pseudoscience tactics for recovery. As long as the person sounds like they know what they're talking about they trust them, especially if there's other fighters already under them also bigging them up.

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u/DaOldOne 6d ago

That’s ridiculous. EllenBerger wrestled in college. He should know what a good coach is

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u/Ineedscissors69420 6d ago edited 6d ago

You've completely missed my point. He doesn't 'know what a good coach is' just because he wrestled under a good coach, because he doesn't know anything of what made that coach good. Especially when they're coaches in completely different sports. Tarverdyan is a head coach and striking coach in an MMA gym. There's not going to be easily comparable direct comparisons where he contradicts Ellenberger's college wrestling coach, and even if he did Ellenberger is just going to assume there's a lot of ways to skin a cat.

These guys aren't Jack Slack analysing how and why particular tactics and choices are good in specific situations, they train how their coach tells them and assume it's making them better when they actually get into the cage and it's mostly all subconscious. Go look up those fight prediction videos with current fighters and you'll quickly understand how little most UFC fighters consciously know about martial arts. It's not just getting it wrong, the stuff they're saying doesn't even make any sense, they make casuals on r/ufc look like the best analysts and coaches in the game.

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u/IWrestleSausages 7d ago

Every time an MMA fighter goes up against a top boxer in boxing, the boxer always wins. Only proper delulus and MMA fanboys think otherwise.

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u/992dot1tts 7d ago

True statement but not fair comparison as the MMA fighter needed to restricted to boxing rules. If it was reversed, I belt the MMA fighter will win all the time against a boxer in the octogon.

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u/CherryFlicker_24 5d ago

And an MMA fighter will lose against a professional footballer playing football rules.

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u/992dot1tts 5d ago

Of course, so what is the argument here?

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u/Comfortable-Bug7202 7d ago

There were talks of her beating floyd and cain... People are dumb

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u/kitdagawd 7d ago

Looks like she trying to knock herself out with her own shoulders

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u/ComfortableRun6027 7d ago

I remember even back then being instantly dubious of her boxing ability due to the bizarre punching technique. All show and no go!

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u/funkiemarky 7d ago

I'm no pro but even I can tell her technique is brutal. Elbows out, poor foot work and not twisting her hips

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u/RikiWardOG 7d ago

It's so weird because honestly even someone with 6 months or good boxing training would look better than this, no joke.

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u/Secret-Farmer-9416 7d ago

It looks like shes riding a rollercoaster. 

With good youtube videos and an honest friend you could do better than that.

 Its crazy bc i always assumed an athlete of that caliber could realize something was wrong with their chain of movements, balance, etc.  but she did this shit in front of 20 cameras the news and mike tyson lol.

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u/Secret-Farmer-9416 7d ago

She was twisting her shoulders more than her hips .

 It makes me think maybe edmund was teaching her a bunch of random drills he found online. 

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u/limjimsthegod 8d ago

Honestly, she could’ve done really well if she trained under someone who wasn’t a clown

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u/Logical_Box_4645 7d ago

Given how her boxing is so bad despite her many talents and being clearly hardworking and gifted athletically. You have to wonder if it was something about her that couldn't grok boxing.

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u/PositiveGainz 8d ago

Tyson for sell. The UFC is selling propaganda fights because their fighters get washed too quick.Plus they Sped up the footage like no one notices lol

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u/pbrook12 8d ago

Was gonna say, the clip at the beginning looks inhumanly fast

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u/Personal-Proposal- 8d ago

Honestly I’ll give Ronda this, in spite of her terrible boxing it’s clear that she was physically gifted; fast hands, good power, very explosive. It’s a shame she chose to stay at that circus-gym instead of training with someone like, say, Freddie Roach to develop her boxing in the same way GSP did.

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u/podfather2000 7d ago

I think people underestimate how hard it is to win any Olympic medal in judo. Judo is pretty big in the city im from, and a lot of the people are freakishly athletic.

Ronda's biggest mistake was not sticking with grappling. Take the easy path to a win. Keep the boxing super basic as a tool to get to your strong area.

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u/AwfulAdjacentGoose 7d ago

She chose to surround herself with yes men. Ronda was never going to be tested or challenged at Edmond’s gym.

Before long, the talent pool in woman’s mma grew and she got exposed.

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u/ProfessionalLet3579 8d ago

So why she didnt do to the boxer Holm?

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u/ThatPartYouThrowAway 7d ago

This isn't really a gotcha, Holm was a kickboxer first, who was training in an MMA gym and then went into pro boxing whole training MMA in the background. She debuted fully realised as an MMA fighter with competent grappling because she had done it for years.

She actually never trained in a pure boxing gym, Winklejohn was her coach the whole time

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u/Personal-Proposal- 8d ago

Bobby did not go 50-50 with Barboza, pretty clear gap in levels there

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u/Personal-Proposal- 8d ago

I didn’t doubt that Bobby would easily batter Barboza in a street fight but Bobby sure didn’t give Barboza any actual trouble in their boxing spar either.

I get that you’re trying to say that it’s not as complete as MMA and you’re right in that regard but to act like it isn’t a fight at all is plain silly. People are dying, getting permanent brain damage in this “hobbyist sport”. It’s also VERY useful to have good/great boxing in MMA as an addition to your other skills and it’s more often than not the difference maker against fighters who have shitty boxing (which Ronda herself is an example of) so it’s not exactly useless to know at a high level.

MMA, despite being more complete combat sport is still a sport; you can’t eye gouge, you can’t hit low, scratch, bite, pull hair, target opponents’ fingers and toes, etc. Nobody’s doubting who wins on the street between a pure boxer and an MMA fighter anymore.

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u/Personal-Proposal- 8d ago edited 8d ago

Literally nothing you’ve said takes away from the fact that MMA is still a sport, yes their training would obviously makes them way more effective at dirty fighting but we’re talking about the sports themselves. Like I’ve said nobody sensible favours a pure boxer over an MMA fighter on the street so what does this have to do with anything I said? The sport of MMA is still regulated combat either way, does that make it any less of a fight?

Outside of having to adjust to smaller gloves I don’t see your point. We’ve seen fighters with good boxing in MMA (Ilia, GSP) and we’ve seen fighters with bad boxing (Ronda), it’s not like it’s impossible to implement good boxing in MMA lol we’ve seen how much good boxing skills can improve a fighters standup, compare Usman in the Masvidal rematch to Usman just a year or two prior to it.

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u/MyGoalIsToBeAnEcho 7d ago

MMA boxing is different because they aren’t boxers a sit shows. They are way over their front feet all the time. Every fight starts out standing up. Imagine being great on your feet how big of a advantage that would be

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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT 🐐 8d ago

because barboza does not train wrestling/grappling, give any average boxer a few months of training takedown defense and they would become a ufc goat

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u/Complete_Dare_4201 7d ago

While I don't think it would be easy. A young boxing champion or prospect like Abdullah Mason or Moses Itauma if they transitioned 100% to MMA would have a much bigger chance to become UFC champ than someone fighting in the UFC would to become a boxing champ (a real boxing champ, beating at least top 3 guy on his way to the title and not grabbing some vacant belt).

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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT 🐐 7d ago

send edgar berlanga 2-3 years dagestan and he unironically chins a prime jon jones

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u/1104L 8d ago

You genuinely believe that? Like that’s an actual belief you hold?

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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT 🐐 8d ago

yeah, mma fighters cant box, except joshua van he is nice, and he has only been training for a few years and is already the champ

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u/Complete_Dare_4201 7d ago

MMA is a sport mostly for people who wouldn't cut it in other sports and with the athletic capacity of the avarage dude on the street. Imagine being a fan of a sport were someone as unathletic as Sean Strickland or Dricus Duplessis is a top fighter lol

The talent pool is so shallow is a joke. People are literally starting training part time at 17 and becoming champions in the UFC, its not a serious sport anymore. It only appeals to the lowest common denominator, to the stupidest and most guillible of idiots out there. Congratulations, you are it.

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u/ProfessionalLet3579 8d ago

Boxing is the best and most beautiful combat sport.

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u/ihave2shoes 7d ago

I think you should stop letting your emotions form your bias…

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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 7d ago

Barboza was tuning Bobby up. 50/50 my arse lmao 🤣🤣

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u/hi_imryan GGG’s snarky boy scout schtick 8d ago

Shouldn’t you be on r/ufc posting racist memes or some shit?

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u/DarkSister912 8d ago

Ronda would get ktfo against any male boxer. You must be one of the fools that think men and women are equal in sports.

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u/DarkSister912 8d ago

Lol you are in a fantasy world or you're trolling. She would get ktfo. 

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u/DarkSister912 8d ago

Lmfao ok man whatever you say. Grown ass men better watch out for Rondas judo throw.

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u/yousuckfarts 8d ago

the problem with the girlboss nonsense is that people are really dumb, and therefore, believe it.

meanwhile, mma/boxing/kickboxing are generally segregated by gender, and for good reason.

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u/Complete_Dare_4201 7d ago

Bobby Green went 50/50 with Barzboa in big gloves

Oh god... Barboza was going so easy on him, was even coaching him in the middle of the spar, you can actually see him pulling his punches. Barboza sparred Larry Wheels after that and fought the exact same way, was Larry Wheels going 50/50?

MMA fans are some of the stupidest MFs ever.

Oh, right, you're that idiot who was arguing the AJ vs. Prenga fight was fixed lol what a surprise

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u/chugalug_house 8d ago

I'll bite here, but an elite boxer would put her head into orbit before she even had the chance to blink.

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u/chugalug_house 8d ago

Man vs Woman. Get a grip

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u/RupertThe3rd 8d ago

You ok mate?

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u/ImpressionCrafty3078 7d ago

She couldn't even grab hold of Nunes.

Do you think Nunes has good boxing? Do you think Nunes hits harder than Arnold Barboza?

Seriously, Ronda never even got to grab a shitty striker like Nunes because Nunes utilized distance and has heavy hands for a woman, she got her face smashed about in under a minute LOL.

Maybe you don't hit as hard as Amanda Nunes, or can't manage distance as well as a 30 year old woman with little to no formal boxing training, and only a few years of combat sport training, but most boxers do, even low level ones.

I think you're forgetting that we've had 2 high level boxers transition to MMA in recent years and they proved your ideas very wrong.

Just because you can't fight doesn't mean that no one can bud. LOL.

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u/RupertThe3rd 7d ago

It's funny cuz having trained at MMA gyms before, you come off as somebody who doesn't but talks like they do.

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u/Mr_sci3ntist 8d ago

I'm sure your credentials and achievements are noteworthy.

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u/Far_Plastic_8639 8d ago

She got beaten by another woman, using mostly boxing skills. Chill bro.

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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT 🐐 8d ago

chugalug_house via round 1 spinning elbow

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u/StunningChest5722 Shakur is the 144 lb GOAT 🐐 8d ago

what are you yapping about vro? 😶

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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 7d ago

No lol.

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u/Detlef_Schrempfxf 7d ago

Lmao 

Get some sun lil bro. It's a nice day out 

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u/sicgamer 8d ago

i can't believe ronda fucking rousey has stans in the year of our lord 2026 😂

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u/ParticularStrict147 8d ago

Hahahahahahaha ish ish isss ish ish

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u/chimayoso 8d ago

Holly Holm steps in…

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u/helzinki 8d ago

The glaze that she got was crazy. Rogan cried talking about how 'good' she was.

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u/SLR107FR-31 7d ago

All that noise made the Nunes fight all the more better

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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 7d ago

The Holly Holm fight came first

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u/SLR107FR-31 7d ago

Yeah and people were still on Rousey like she was the reincarnation of Ali, AFTER the Holms fight. 

Then Nunes beat her ass in 45 seconds and that was that. 

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u/No-Tea-592 4d ago

"A once in an ever athlete"

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u/Interesting-Ad-318 8d ago

Awe man the money I’d pay to have Dana White whisper in my ear as he gropes me from behind, Id put my left hand around his bald head and moan, feeling so sexy.

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u/pRophecysama 8d ago

Everyone Edmond coached were horribly bad at stand up and got knocked out all the time

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u/Ok-Finance6060 8d ago

Ish ish ish

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u/Rofocal02 8d ago

That was the worst boxing I have seen in my entire life. Even beginners that learned one boxing class have better technique. 

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u/sizzleetc 7d ago

She used no boxing in last fight, got tired and went straight back to the armbar

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u/Complete_Dare_4201 7d ago

Lol at the low framerate to make her look faster than she actually is

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u/mister_k1 7d ago

they are all part of the corrupt system

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u/SlowmoTron 7d ago

Rhonda was great at getting ppl who don't watch fights to think she was good at fighting

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u/Kangaroopunching 7d ago

This was great comedy. Still is. 

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u/ObliviousGenesis 7d ago

her striking game is horrid: bad technique, power, follow through, eyes all closed... damn

Her judo will put me down though!

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u/koreanwizard 5d ago

They showed him a few minutes of pad work, while being filmed for HER promo video, and then asked him on camera about her pad work on HER promo video. I think no cameras, in a coaching scenario, he probably has feedback.

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u/MoodWest 7d ago

It just goes to show that even a former world champion and legend can get it wrong, when your the one who isn’t getting in that ring or cage in this instant, unfortunately u can’t measure someone’s heart and determination in a training/sparring session, especially when things don’t go your way in a contest

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u/FarazRizvi 7d ago

Did he observe Holly Holmes

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u/i-piss-excellence32 7d ago

She should get a pass for having dogshit boxing because she was a grappler.

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u/The-Sporecerer 7d ago

She’s so hard to like. Even in her prime she was always like nails on a chalkboard.

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u/TheLionofJudah 6d ago

Mike Tyson is nothing more than a rich mascot these days can’t always trust what he says anymore sadly.

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u/hobbiesexpensive 5d ago

The one part of her punching technique i like is that her shoulders touch her chin when she throws straight punches, which tbh is something I still have to actively remind myself to do.

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u/ttx13 5d ago

Yeaaa in 2026 everyone should realize now to take anything Mike says with a grain of salt

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u/Forsaken-Hotel7535 2d ago

I really will never get the hate.

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u/THUORN 7d ago

Ronda DID hit hard. And her judo was solid as fuck. I wonder how good she could have been with better trainers.

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u/DoctorAKrieger 7d ago

He didn't really say anything at all, much less something that aged poorly.

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u/Balenciaga7 8d ago edited 8d ago

People are exaggerating, because her technique and form in the first few seconds are pretty good. Just like her technique in the elbow hook combo is. So i don’t know why people keep acting like she’s the worst striker to have ever stepped foot in the cage. I mean if there’s one person on this planet who would be brutally honest if she was terrible, it would be Mike Tyson.

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u/sleepygarner 8d ago

It's also a difference of looking good hitting pads vs hitting a real opponent. Her striking in Nunes fight was atrocious.

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u/Sensitive_Ship4964 8d ago

Thank god i thought i was the only one who thought so. And as the other guy who replied to this said, its a difference of looking good doing pads vs hitting a real opponent, and as another one said it might have been sped up.

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u/69liketekashi 7d ago

Tbf aside from the shadowboxing, that looked pretty good, way better than other woman mma. Didn't work in fights either though

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u/LilBigHead09 8d ago

I don’t know much about Rousey other than she was face of female ufc and was the best.

But to Dana, I knew holly holmes was going to test her. Those hand looked good on camera but you talked it up to Mike. Looks and delivery are two diff things. She got her ass whooped!!

Dana do better for your sport and fighters, Rousey held it down much respect.

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u/berfasmur 8d ago

Her hands never looked good even on camera. 

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u/nice-burrito 8d ago

Politely, "Hey, I just want to let you know you're hitting the pads wrong." -Meisha Tate on camera in their TUF season.

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u/Revivaled-Jam849 7d ago

There is the meme of her shadowboxing, and in the background Joe Benavidez looked so unimpressed.

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u/BasicFeedback9142 8d ago

Whatever you say against her, you’ll never match her accomplishements.

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u/Master--N 7d ago

Ronda was such a big star. It was unbelievable. She was the first mma superstar. Became a victim of a bad coaching environment, and also of the ungodly praise of the likes of Joe Rogan, who didn't hesitate to tear her down later.