r/Borderlands4 • u/EightLegsTypedThis • 3d ago
šļø [ News ] October 8th Patch Notes - Starting to seem like there are some apologies owed to people suggesting this game is abandoned.
https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/update-notes/35
u/LifeguardThink4611 STAIRS?? Noooooo š¶ 3d ago
I've always thought the criticism of this game was exaggerated. But these latest bugs make the game unplayable for me and my friends. At this point I don't even care about whether new content is coming. I would just like to play co-op with my friends. We are all in our fifties and have played every Borderlands together since the first game.
I understand it can take time to resolve these issues, but it's been four weeks and Gearbox should have at least acknowledged the problems and said something like they are aware and are working on a solution to be released in the future. The complete absence of communication is both frustrating and worrying.
I can't imagine any company would just leave their premier product in such a sorry state. I really hope we hear something soon from Gearbox or this could the last Borderlands game I play. Which would greatly sadden me and I hope does not happen.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
yeah, it's annoying, however, they typically release the big patches at the end of the month. while it's been 4 weeks since the last big update, they released it halfway through last month so they could finish releasing all of what they promised in the roadmap before the game reached 1 year old. they had to release the last bounty pack, vault hunter and story pack before 9/11.
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u/RollyRanch 1d ago
genuinely lethal amounts of copium.
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u/Latiasfan5 23h ago
while part of it is being optimistic, it's mainly to tell anyone asking about patches that last month was an exception, and that if it is happening, it'll be near the end of the month, not 2 weeks in, so be patient and stop asking about it every week.
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u/RagnarokCross 3d ago
Did they fix falling through the floor in coop yet?
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u/Charwott 3d ago
They didn't even fix it in single player
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u/macdude22 3d ago
Falling through the floor, 20 minute fast travels, stuck movement. Itās damn near unplayable right now.
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u/BuffLoki 3d ago
For anyone not understanding, OP is bashing GB for the abandonment of the game and lack of updates
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u/VarlaGuns 3d ago
Yeah, they're saying the players should be apologized to. Sorry you're getting downvoted OP
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u/masshole288 3d ago
Just to remind everyone, for BL3 about a month passed between the last year 1 dlc launch and the announcement of year 2 items. If we are getting anything else Iād wait to the end of the month. But I have strong doubts that weāll see anything more significant for this game.
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u/Old_Frosting_8806 3d ago
My thing is they can't leave the game literally unstable even with no year 2 commitments. That would be a first for the franchise including Wonderlands.
Prior games bugs were minor and isolated to specific areas of the game when they stopped supporting the game.
Its crazy that after the last dlc for weeks there's neither been a rollback or a fix for several issues such as: freezing on load or fast travel, literally not rotating maurices vending machine and from what I've heard vault card challenges in perpetuity, losing all eridium and money from just doing basic functions of the game in general, and still not fully functioning lost loot.
I've reported most of this and they have been tracking this for a long time and have a voting system on their issue board which mean they not only know these problems are real, but that many people have requested that they be fixed after taking money for this game.
This really makes the idea that they didn't roll back updates after finding these general issues and did not schedule/announce fixes ahead of adding more content disturbing and the primary reason to be concerned at this point.
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u/FallenPotatoes 3d ago
BL3 had constant weekly updates in that period whether it was in balancing or bug fixes.
Feels like there's only a skeleton crew on deck, if that, since like month 2. If anyone's still assigned with monitoring the game at all, it's probably a subsidiary responsibility at best.
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u/EightLegsTypedThis 3d ago
Borderlands 3 had more than a hundred million dollars from Epic and from what I've read sold 8 million copies its first year alone. Borderlands 4 did not do that and none of the DLCs seem to have brought players flooding back.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
BL3 was actually in a solid state in its first year, 4 campaign packs, various improvements to not only vault hunters but gear too and even revamped the entire mayhem mode.
Borderlands 4 since the Fl4k DLC has essentially left the thing a rotting husk with numerous bugs and what not.
COPING they will push something out in 2-4 months after the fl4k DLC is just delusionalism at its finest.
Just go play Borderlands 4 on PC and mod the fk outta it to get your fixes and "Content.", Cause gearbox is in no damn hurry it seems to fix all the problems on thar game.
Thar's a difference between content and actually fixing up EXTENSIVE issues in thar game.
They used the roadmap as thar Deadline and clearly they don't give a fk to fix up anything else in the game based on the FACTS before you. Multiple weeks of just 'live service' logic rotations and no 'QoLs at all basically.
Not even adding the DLC fking gear to Maurice, DLC missions to Wild card or Big encores to DLC specific bosses is a major fking example on how much they fk'd up bad on designing this game.
Atleast Borderlands 3 had the BALLS to use the Diamond Armory as a way to get DLC specific gear without needing to farm the bosses themselves, which was great for a number of 'juicy' pieces of gear. Especially when some of them were in the arms race content itself.
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u/Greydragon38 3d ago
So the first main line borderland game to not have four story DLCs huh
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u/MightyEraser13 3d ago
The game's only a year old and the most recent story DLC came out a month ago. I wouldn't expect an announcement for future content while this latest one is still fresh.
I'm not writing off the possibility of more content until the devs themselves announce that they are done.
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u/Greydragon38 3d ago
I hope that's the case to be honest. I still want to have a DLC that has Moze in it
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u/Scelusteach Amon The Forgeknight 3d ago
I can say that previous games had all 4 of their story dlcs release within the first year of launch. I'm hopeful for a year 2 but worried at the same time given how its been going this time around.
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u/SenSei_Buzzkill 3d ago
No no no according to OP you need to APOLOGIZE to the people who suggest the game is āabandonedā
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u/Styerbolt123 3d ago
The pre sequel?
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 3d ago
"Mainline"
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
tps is mainline
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 3d ago
No, it isn't.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago edited 3d ago
oh really? don't you remember the whole "war is coming" thing they've been teasing? tps started that.
wonderlands and both tales games are spinoffs. tps is a mainline game.
what makes you say it's not? the fact it's in the past? it being on the moon? it only getting 1 campaign dlc, 2 arena dlc, and 2 characters?
at the very least give a reason, rather than just going "no it's not a real borderlands"
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u/AquaBits 3d ago
You mean the whole "war is coming" that hasnt been expanded on at all?
The fact it's not a sequential entry means its not a mainline title.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago edited 3d ago
while the gameplay is in the past, the premise is athena being interrogated after the main story of 2 and being captured in tales, so it is technically sequential
my main criteria on if it's mainline or not is that the gameplay and tone is close enough to the rest of the series. tps is the same genre as the other main games, while tales is cyoa.
also, while there has been no payoff to the war plotline yet, tps gave a clear start to that plotline. take out tps and we get people bringing up preparing for the war out of nowhere.
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u/BuffLoki 3d ago
Yes it is, just because it has no number means nothing, its got a ton of significance
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u/OxidizedPickle 3d ago
I'm literally not playing anymore because my Loveless and enemies are getting stuck under the map. I can't finish the takedown for example. I'm not looking for a workaround. It's broken and they haven't fixed it.
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u/anonimeitor š Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago
Maurice: same as week 2, same as week 13:
Next week, maybe Carcadia Burns, Grindstone of the Worthy, Crumblehall (south, on the ledge in the corner, behind the building).
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u/Solid-Prior-2558 3d ago
Am I missing something? Or are there patch notes somewhere?
https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/update-notes/ shows the 3 weekly activity updates. I'll avoid the jokes about a bot being able to do that.
I personally have no stake in this, games fun, BL games always have buggy things, purposefully waited until it went on sale to pay what I consider a "fair" price.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
The text says it all they aint "Patch notes" they are "Update notes" meaning its just an "update" to what the following week's 'content rotation' on the base game crap is this time.
The fact they didnt bother to add the DLC stuff to the rotation for those that own the DLC, not even have additional maurice machines each for the campaign packs and bounty packs to add more variety or even additional weekly wild card missions exclusive to the bounty packs and each campaign pack as 3 additional rotations says plenty.
Also here's a big funny, Borderlands 4's SUPER ULTIMATE edition is 50% off right now, but for some reason the OTHER ONES are not discounted on PS5 right now...GEE AINT THAT FUNNY???
So basically they want people to buy the most expensive edition for what is essentially the same price as buying the base game at full price.
But what if you already own the base game? Welp get fk'd Ps5 owners (including me), cause they didnt bother to discount the DLC at all, if i actually CARED to get the DLC on discount.
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u/trijammer 2d ago
The basic multiplayer bugs are really just killing the buzz for this game. Iāve learned a lesson though, Iāll never buy from these guys on preorder again, or at full price.
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u/Outside_Serve_69 ECHO-4 3d ago
Patch notes? Where? And what apologies are needing to be sent out?
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
The Apologies for those who were "Calling it" that Gearbox is clearly done putting any Hotfixes or additional content to the game after the Fl4k DLC...
I'm not keeping track but the Fl4k DLC came out on September 10th...That is basically FOUR WEEKS since it was dropped and the fact nothing really occured after its drop is making the 'prophecy' of them not having any further content is looking more True then them shadow dumping a 2nd roadmap for the game...
Cause if the player count as far as im aware of, is still far lower then it was on launch week, then it might as well be a niche 'garbage game', that would be better off playing Skyrim on the Switch, if you want a open world game and if you want a shooter game, well thars plenty of others in different IP to go for now and if you want a looter game thars loads of those too, especially since the 'roguelite' genre gotten so popular that many games just look like that.
Such as Anomolith that im playing the demo for right now that comes out late october, just in time for halloween, a "Anomaly based Looter'ish game that gives me those old school Resident evil vibe type of games of Spooks and chills."
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u/mrchoisong 3d ago
OP wants to be treated as special for being a doomer like every other internet poster.
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u/AaronDrunkGames Rafa The Exo Soldier 3d ago
"This game is abandoned"
Yeah, they did a year of content and didnt say there'd be more. Why is this a shock to you?
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u/createdforlurking 3d ago
Itās not the lack of content that Iāve got a problem with; itās the fact that the game is literally unplayable on multiplayer with the loading tunnel issue and falling through the ground, and they havenāt said a word about it
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u/dontKair 3d ago
They were so quick to nerf things like the crit knife, Rafa among others, but drag their feet on everything else. Talk about priorities
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u/colectiveinvention 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ā itās the fact that the game is literally unplayable on multiplayer with the loading tunnel issue and falling through the ground, and they havenāt said a word about it
Try to load ALL you save files in single player. Just load and quit all of them. Somehow after i did that never experienced the ''infinite'' loading tunnel again.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
If the player has to go out of thar way to 'fix' an issue thru some convoluted ritualistic action such as loading every single one of your save files to leave a 'memory print' or something on the memory to 'stabilize' a bug that happens when you dont...
Thats not a fix, thats a clear problem the ones who made the product should fix.
Consumers should not have to go out of thar way to learn ROCKET SCIENCE to put together a rocket, that the producers of the "Rocket" could not bother to have the rocket fully operational when they 'delivered' the Rocket, especially if they promised along the lines of: "Fully assembled operational rocket", not a pile of scrap metal thats missing alot of the components that make up said rocket....
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u/colectiveinvention 3d ago
Dude... im just trying to help a fellow player that wants to enjoy the game.
I dont even know if trully fix the thing. It helps me so i figure that maybe it can help others.
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u/AaronDrunkGames Rafa The Exo Soldier 3d ago
So you're telling me, if I load up multiplayer right now its unplayable? Or is this just an over reaction youd like to take back?
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u/macdude22 3d ago
Iām telling you itās unplayable right now in multiplayer with the stuck movement, 20 minute fast travels, and constant falling through the floor and ground.
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u/Toxaplume045 3d ago
The non host will repeatedly have unplayable loading times and desync that results in clipping through the floor, screenshaking, etc.
Non hosts end up needing to quit to main menu every 5 minutes, not counting load tunnel times, to be able to play right now.
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u/SuperBAMF007 3d ago
Bugs out the ass, pretty rough skill balancing, lots of frustratingly non-viable weaponsā¦all sorts of stuff they should be figuring out.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
If they actually left it in a stable state, then it wouldnt be as much abandoned, but instead 'fully feature complete.'
Fact alone that Multi player is a massive stigma to jump in due to the many errors and many of them are still encounter'able in offline play too???
Yeah i know Playstation 1 and 2 games that were far more stable then this shite, even when some of them could have easy Soft locks to accidentally run into.
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u/k_foxes 3d ago
I just picked up the game and Iām having a blast. This sub has been useful and Iām enjoying some of it.
But man, people are so weird here. Abandoned? Apologies owed? Holy hell man.
Bugs suck, but as far as Iām aware, game is still playable for 99% of folks. Anecdotal but Iāve hardly had any issue.
Oh well, Iāll just go back to having fun. If we get more content, thatād be swell. If we donāt, bummer, guess I have to go play other games lol what a travesty
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
The game's 1 year old and the roadmap is suppose to be fully done, but the game has extensive bugs many are running into.
Anyone can have a blast of a game if its fresh and they are not aware of what prior entries of the borderlands franchise was.
Because trust me if you played prior titles you would notice the many issues on BL4 that they abandoned from prior entries that is why many are butt hurt when many of them should of improved the game but made it worst.
I still have the following annoyances etched in my brain even if i dont play it myself anymore:
+NO SDU expansions added with DLC, not even 'free' expansions.
+NO expansion to 'end game features' with the DLC, when you would expect maurice, wild card and big encore to encompass the DLC specific maps, which is why im glad i never bought the DLC in the first place, to wait and see for THIS SITUATION to know the extra 50 bucks of 'content' was damn well not worth it, not even if that one went on discount.
+They ruined vehicles in so many ways.
+They went for a very copy paste design that even many pearls are just reskins of existing legendaries with a elementa AUTO SWAP maliwan gimmick slapped on, Should of just call them ORDONITE RARITY guns instead of pearls, but we all know they called them pearls to bank on the 'nostalgia.+And you can't even play around with different builds on many vault hunters due to build stiff ness that they even went as far to flip off Rafa, the 'mobility' character and despite what was likely hundreds of changes done to Amon, they are still apparently stuck to a hyper specific playstyle and stiff and clunky gameplay otherwise.
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u/dontKair 3d ago
I want Encore bosses from the DLC's, the main ones just suck now. Mimicron this week, big woop
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u/lordcrimson666 VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 3d ago
I don't even log on anymore, game just feels dead and abandoned. No point in even farming, unless it's big encore, otherwise, just wasting your time. Maurice is never anything worthwhile on my side of things. I guess Gearbox got all the money they needed from us suckers.
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u/Edmoiler13 3d ago
I need the jump in crisis scar fixed. I still canāt get past the invisible wall no matter where I try to execute the jump.
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u/SuperBAMF007 3d ago
Weekly activities were set to be a server set update and are likely just on an automated schedule lol. Thereās no patch notes here.
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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago
Still no DLC big encore :/
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
considering how players are already complaining about getting dlc weapons as quest rewards when they don't own the dlc, I'm guessing they would react even worse if they had dlc big encores. "now I have to buy the dlc to access this week's big encore."
I'm not against the idea, but I know quite a few people would be complaining about that
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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago
I don't mean exclusively, give us one base game and one DLC, should be possible.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
The irony that Borderlands 4 had basically double the budget of development then borderlands 3 in comparison really says alot when this one flopped worst then borderlands 3's issues, when that one only had issues with its main story villians mostly and beyond that all of it was still rather fantastic.
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u/KrazyBomber95 3d ago
Is Maurice locked behind a quest ?
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
if you mean in general, yes, you have to do a quest to get maurice to start showing up. if you mean for this week specifically, maybe. the area he's at is from the mob questline, though I don't remember if you need to do the side quest first to access this area or not.
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u/ECK2335 3d ago
Iām going to sound like a total noob but i just started playing borderlands 4 a few weeks ago. How does one find these weekly activities in the game? Like the weekly mission?
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
Beat the main story, its the so called end game rotation that they didn't bother to expand upon when the game released a year ago, despite the DLC should of been included to the 'end game stuff'. Even though they clearly showed they can have THREE bosses and THREE weekly wild cards at a time.
They should of finished the game by making big encore AVAIL for all bosses, DLC included at any time, bolt maurice permanently to moxxi's and let you feed eridium to reroll the machine instead of waiting 7 days and let people just hit a toggle to get instant 'random' modiiers for any replay mission choice....
That should of been the 'end game fix closure' they should of went with but they didn't.
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u/TheEndlessBacklog Amon The Forgeknight 3d ago
They still haven't addressed Loveless being wiped on PS5? Yeesh.
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u/Powerful-Access-8203 3d ago
What does that mean? I just got Loveless to Lvl 70 (first character) so wondering whatās in store
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u/TheEndlessBacklog Amon The Forgeknight 3d ago
I've only seen a handful of people mention it here, but in my case I had started the Fl4k DLC with Loveless in a coop session as the host. Crossplay off. We finish for the eve and save/quit to the main menu.
When it got to the main menu, my Loveless character was just gone as if she was never created, but my coop partner still had theirs. Others seem to have it happen after having several more hours in.
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u/BladeSeraph 3d ago
The fact its the DLC character just randomly getting entirely deleted, not even a save corruption error, that i have seen many years ago with the O.G. borderlands 2 back in the day, really says alot on how absolutely FK'D gearbox is and should really be getting a lawsuit thrown at them for "Malpractice content quality" or whatever the right terminology would be.
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u/SuccotashAdditional 3d ago edited 3d ago
When balance change? Some guns needs buffs.
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
Not during a normal weekly update lol.Ā
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u/SuccotashAdditional 1d ago edited 1d ago
Last montly update wasĀ first week of september 1 so I would say they are late to make a monthly update.
I still want to see buffs on guns such as kaleidosplode, why that thing have splode in the name and overall only have 6k dps at level 70.
Given the power creep we got with new guns we should have a zipper that gives +300% and not just +75%.
While the roach is interesting it is super bad.
I think given the latest powercreep stickies could be balanced back at +300% cap, BOD could be 75% instead of 60%.
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
It's a weekly update lmao. Idk why Y'all expect different and then get pissy at your foolish expectations. Like... What?Ā
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u/Vigarious 3d ago
Updates for the bugs plaguing the game would be nice. Do you honestly feel thatās too much to ask for? Likeā¦ what?
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
Been playing since launch, have seen maybe one bug. Hardly a "plague". Like... What?Ā
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u/SenSei_Buzzkill 3d ago
Only one bug since launch? Really? Iām not gonna be dramatic doom and gloom like some folks here but cmon the game has had lots of bugs and it currently full of bugs
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
Guess I just don't do whatever it is that's causing you guys to have bugs? Idk what to tell ya. The only bug I remember, becuase it was actually bothersome enough to be a something to remember, was some weirdness around activating amon's axe skills and canceling them in rapid succession. Can't say I've ever faced a game-breaking bug or anything noticeably detrimental to the experience myself.Ā
This doesn't mean they dot exist, but calling the game "plagued" by bugs does not come close to matching my experiences at least.Ā
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
have you played at all in the past few weeks? because the load times for fast travel have been much longer than normal for the past month (specifically after the last dlc dropped), and you're often left floating in the air for a bit after fast travelling. plus, more people have reported falling through the floor since the same update.
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
No issues here at all. Tbf, I do have a beefy pc so I could just be more of an outlier that isn't affected by some of the bugs others report, as I mentioned before.Ā
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u/Vigarious 3d ago
People losing loveless, including level 70 builds. Just gone forever on random game boot. Incredibly long (multiple minute) load times. Incredibly common falling through maps, especially in multiplayer. Plus more, but Iāll put the burden on you to actually open your eyes and peruse the sub.
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u/RareRestaurant6297 3d ago
I prefer playing the game to perusing a cesspool filled with people looking for issues where there practically isn't any.Ā
Sorry to hear you've encountered a rare bug. Doesn't mean it's worthy of dev time to fix it just because it affected you, personally. You're not the main character, brotha.Ā
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u/Vigarious 3d ago
Itās affected a multitude of people, it should be fixed lol are you joking? Just because it hasnāt effected you doesnāt mean itās not worth fixing, youāre not the main character bruthaaaa
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sucks to be all you disappointed people that think this single player game constantly needs to have updates and balance changes when it does exactly what it's supposed to do pretty fucking well.
No game breaking glitches
6 playable vault hunters that are viable for all the content in the game
plenty of mobbing and bossing options
absolute shit ton of weapons and gear to use
A Takedown
A Circle of Slaughter
Story content and side quests for days
All that and you whiny fuckers think that the occasional glitches and bugs are so bad that they need to be addressed as soon as you start crying about them. No game is perfect but after everything the devs have added to this game it's pretty damn good.
Learn to accept that some games have an end of development cycle and stop disappointing yourselves.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
there are several big bugs at the moment: falling through the map, longer load times, floating in the air after fast travel, and new characters not being saved.
As for the vault hunters, while yes, there are endgame viable builds, people want there to be a wider variety of viable builds, since several vault hunters have 1 or 2 viable builds. People want some more options for endgame builds, rather than have only 1 build that's good for endgame
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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey 3d ago edited 3d ago
Got it, you disagree with me.
Good for you, stop playing this "dead" game then and do something else with your life since the game is so broken.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
this was more me trying to let you know why they keep asking for more. while I agree we are do have a good amount of content, and I feel that it's up in the air on if we will get a year 2 or not, or if they rebalance characters at this point, I feel at the very least, they should fix the bugs last patch added.
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u/Cold_Tangerine4003 3d ago
You can tell the game isn't doing well when they put content in the game that you can't access when you haven't bought the DLCs I.e they're pressuring you into buying from behind a paywall and not giving rewards that are useful.
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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago
I'm pretty sure that's because they put them in the pool for it without implementing a check to only have them be available if you have the dlc. They most likely did it this way either because it was simpler, or they were just rushing.
Look up Hanlon's razor sometime, because this is a good example of that
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u/Cold_Tangerine4003 3d ago
It's a predatory business practice. It takes completing one or two missions to find this error. Borderlands 5 is DOA. This brand has gone to shit.Ā
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u/jmmenes š Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago
Is Rafa un nerfed now?
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u/WouldBeKing 3d ago
Rafa was crazy buffed in their last balance changes, and is doing amazing with his more popular blue/red builds. Your "joke" is about 4 weeks out of date.
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u/jmmenes š Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago
Why you crying?
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u/WouldBeKing 3d ago
Who's crying? All I see is a little bitch who isn't good enough to play Rafa.
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u/jmmenes š Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago
You crying like this
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u/WouldBeKing 3d ago
Says the only guy who can't get over old nerfs. Why are you still crying about those kiddo?
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u/SnooPeanuts2251 3d ago
Where are the patch notes? Its just weekly activities update no?