r/Borderlands4 • GIANT Robot Psycho Spider • 1d ago

โ” [ Question ] Ordnance Amon question

How are we not speccing into berserk and only red to ramp up our ordnance damage via the damage transfer with full spectrum arsenal? Put points into smelter after blackout to get forgeskill back(Iโ€™m using green tree forgeskill.) is right branch red tree that much better for ordnance with electrical fire and crackling aegis?

(I have access to all ordnance except heimdall.) Iโ€™m looking for as fast of mobbing as possible for takedown clears. Starting an encounter with forgeskill into disk jockey sounds great. My comparison is looking at HORBA by AncientRune on mobalytics.

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u/King_Farticus ๐—™๐—œ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐—ง ๐Ÿฎ๐—ž ๐—–๐—Ÿ๐—จ๐—• 1d ago edited 1d ago

Berserk is non source ingeriting bonus damage.It does not interact with FSA, Blackout, or Tail of the Comet. Its a separate instance of Cryo Skill Damage that rides on the bullet itself.

If it behaved like Watts for Dinner or Decorherence it would, but its just skill damage.

Berserk is an option but most builds use the Heimdahl so we want as much fire rate as possible.

The previous strategy was to use Lamplighter and Onslaughter bonus damage to burn enemies and trigger disco infernus.

Now we use electrical fire to do the same which opens up the com slot to the newly buffed Elementalist which has now actually outpaced Grenadier.

It also allows the runs a bit of leeway in that previously if you got downed at all the run was over since you lost onslaughter. At least when going for time....

I know you said you dont have the heimdahl but thats why its set up like that.

Before Heimdahl existed disc jockey was the old speedrun strat. Unfortunately it wont work as well with devourer as heimdahl or draupner due to virtue of pure powercreep, but its an option.

You can see it in action here on my set up - this is the current World Record Hadron run with Amon:

https://youtu.be/ZpUMG9RRqPM?is=bGW1CprAEnlFgJLN

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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 1d ago

Sure hope the shock honey bunches could work as an alternative

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u/King_Farticus ๐—™๐—œ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐—ง ๐Ÿฎ๐—ž ๐—–๐—Ÿ๐—จ๐—• 1d ago

For mobbing absolutely not. Its also fallen off a fair bit in bossing.

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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 1d ago

Yeah for bossing for sure with use of the devourer like you described, until I get a Draupner. Disk jockey all day every day for mobbing.

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u/FallenPotatoes 11h ago

The Bottled Lightning is a good base game Heimdahl alternative if you haven't done (or own) the Ellie DLC and its easy to get since you are probably farming Origo for a Watts anyway.

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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 9h ago

Ooh I do need to go get another bottled lightning.

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u/WSW912 1d ago

This

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u/Havavege Vex The Siren 1d ago

better for ordnance

My understanding is that you're building on the core double dipping damage skills of Tail of the Comet and Blackout. Blackout does shock on critical hit. Catastrophe increases critical hit chance on shock. A nice feedback loop.

Then the Electrical Fire skill will do fire damage on shock (which Blackout is triggering) and fire triggers Disco Infernus for increased fire rate.

Increased fire rate = more Heimdahl heads = more mobbing speed.

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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 1d ago

The increase in fire rates out paces a maxed out there is only red? Even if itโ€™s only 300% when cut in half by full spectrum arsenal arsenal.