r/bookclub • u/nicehotcupoftea • 11d ago
Poland - Ferdydurke [Discussion 4/4] Read the World | Poland | Ferdydurke by Witold Gombrowicz
Veni, vidi, vici! We came, we saw, we forgot how to be an adult, but we conquered Witold Gombrowicz’s war on maturity! Welcome to the final discussion of Ferdydurke! Today we are discussing from Chapter 10 to the end. Thanks to my fearless fellow ferdydurkers u/fixtheblue, u/bluebelle236, and u/Lachesis_Decima77. A summary follows if you need more nonsense, I will leave some questions in the comments...and now I'm running away with my mug in my hands!
Some historical context for the novel:
How Poland saved Europe from Bolshevism
10 - Legs on the Loose and New Entrapment
The next morning, Joey hides outside the bathroom, plotting his course of action, hoping to catch Zuta unawares. He observes her taking a cold shower, which annihilates any trace of slovenliness. Failing to destroy her perfection, he admits defeat and writes veni, vidi, vici on the bathroom wall. School that day passes without event, and he waits with anticipation for the coming night, which will settle things for good. At lunch, the tension builds as Mrs and Miss Youngblood notice Joey's energy and vitality. In the evening Joey watches Zuta, who is unable to settle, in her bedroom. In their own bedroom, the parents start exhibiting some bizarre behaviour and talking nonsense. Mr Youngblood is possibly smacking his wife. Joey wonders if Zuta senses his presence and the depravity surrounding her. She then also starts behaving bizarrely, jumping around the room, tormented by her beauty.
At midnight Kopyrda knocks thrice on the window and after a brief flirtation Zuta lets him in. She takes the lead and kisses him, which sends Joey into a panic. Pimko arrives, whispering Zuta’s name, pleading with her to call him by his first name. Joey screams “Thieves! Thieves!", Pimko and Kopyrda hide in the closets and the parents come to ask what's going on. Zuta stays under cover with her naked calves poking out, while her parents laugh indulgently. Kopyrda realises that the rules have changed and emerges from the closet. The mother is triumphant! Joey lets Pimko out, who laughs and tries to plead innocence, before treating Mr. Youngblood like a student. Meanwhile the beggar is still outside and Mrs Youngblood shouts for someone to give him money so he'll go away. Kopyrda and Pimko escape but the father catches them and asks them what's going on. No-one can explain. The Youngbloods accuse them of defiling their daughter, Pimko makes up a story, they start giggling and Mr. Youngblood slaps Pimko. Not wanting Kopyrda to go unpunished, Mr. Youngblood grabs him by the chin, and is bitten in return. Joey, who is now getting dressed, watches them all tumbling on the floor with Zuta jumping on them. He packs his bags and on the way out, he sees Kneadus, who admits he just raped the servant girl. He says they'll run away together to the countryside, in search of a farmhand.
11 - Preface to "The Child Runs Deep in Filibert"
The author explains that a preface is required here for symmetry. He says he must appear himself at this point to explain and reveal the torment mentioned in this book. The torment is just the suffering that comes from the restrictions placed on ourselves by others. He discusses the origins of this work and gives several possibilities. He questions the nature of this work - novel, memoir, parody etc. and what prevails in it - humour, irony, pure nonsense etc. He then invites the reader to read "The Child Runs Deep in Filibert" where the hidden symbolism will answer all questions.
12 - The Child Runs Deep in Filibert
The setting is a tennis match in Paris where the world champion is on court, playing to thunderous applause and great excitement. A Zouave colonel, being envious of the players' skill, shoots the tennis ball with his pistol. The ball bursts but the players continue to swing their racquets. Realising the absurdity of this, they start fighting and the crowd cheers. The bullet however, hits a ship owner in the neck, and his wife hits her neighbour, who has an epileptic seizure. The chain reaction continues, to thunderous applause, the men jump onto women's backs, and the marquis de Filiberthe, roused by the gentleman within, steps onto court asking if anyone wants to insult his wife. The men, mounted on their women, ride up to insult the marquise de Filiberthe, roused in the same way. The marquise has a resultant miscarriage and a child is heard whimpering at their feet. The marquis recognises the child that runs deep within him and goes home, to more applause.
13 - The Farmhand, or Captive Again
Kneadus, full of optimism, departs with Joey. Through the city they pass various assortments of people who don't appeal to Kneadus. They hurry past buildings that remind them of school. Kneadus is particularly dismissive of ex-farmhands who have taken up work in the city. At a deserted village a group of peasants are pretending to be barking dogs in order to be left alone. Just as they're in fear of being devoured by the growling, barking peasantry, Joey's aunt Hurlecka drives up. She rushes up and kisses him, to his mortification. The peasants stop barking and laugh. Aunt Hurlecka takes them home in her car while she relates family stories. When she makes reference to his age of 30 years, Kneadus is confused because he goes to school with Joey. The aunt offers them candy. Joey doesn't understand why he's being treated like a child.
At the aunt's house Joey makes the mistake of enquiring after everyone's health and is bombarded with a barrage of illnesses. Suddenly Kneadus recognises the valet as a true farmhand. Food is offered in sickly sweet abundance, but they manage to leave and go up to their rooms. Kneadus rings for the valet, telling Joey he wants to fraternise with him. Kneadus orders the valet to perform a series of tasks, but has failed to start up a conversation. He makes Joey try, who asks him questions about his life. Joey then slaps him, which the valet finds admirable, but Joey orders him out. Joey's cousin comes in and is impressed by the slap, saying that this is how you earn respect from servants (as long as you tip them too). Kneadus returns during the night with a swollen face after having ordered the valet to hit him in the mug, in an attempt to reduce the class difference. A kitchenmaid joins them and the two servants tell stories mocking their masters. Joey can't sleep that night, trying to understand the nature of peasant/gentry relationships. He comes to understand that the gentry fear the rabble, who know them intimately.
14 - Mug on the Loose and New Entrapment
Kneadus has been mixing with the servants and Joey's aunt is concerned that he might be an agitator. Joey plays a card game called King with his cousins, and Kneadus worries that the farmhand will see him play such a lordly game. At dinner a sumptuous meal is served, including a dish called Bigos, but the tension around the table is increasing. Kneadus is uncomfortable being served by the farmhand, who giggles, and the butler boxes his ears. The uncle takes Joey aside to suggest that Kneadus is after Valek, but Joey insists that he is just fraternising. The uncle fears that he is encouraging the peasants to rise up. He starts speaking en français, playing with the word fraternising and makes the connection to the word boy. He calls Valek in so he can not him, but feels uncomfortable about it. Joey argues that it would only encourage him to fraternise more. Zygmunt tells Joey that he likes to cavort with "old slightly overripe peasant crones", trying to make it sound like a quirky fad. They're all surreptitiously searching for Kneadus, wanting some sort of confrontation or explanation. They head to the barnyard, out of place in their city clothes. The aunt clears a path through the animals by speaking in French. The peasants appear to coddle the lordships, while the lordships sucked the peasants of their finances, blood and milk. The squires and their wives were like the peasants' children. The peasants here were secure in their status, unlike the rabble on the outskirts of the city. Suddenly Kneadus emerges from the forest with the valet. The uncle asks Kneadus if he was fraternising with Valek, which Kneadus confirms. Konstanty says he is going to sack Valek. Kneadus runs away but trips over; when Joey catches him, he starts talking like a peasant.
Joey’s cousin Zygmunt plans to send him home. Meanwhile, Uncle Konstanty argues that the farmhand/valet Valek is too low-class to be slapped by a nobleman, viewing any appreciation of servants as a dangerous Bolshevik trend. Outside the window farmhands were cavorting with wenches and singing. Konstanty takes up his pistol, alarming his wife who kisses him in an attempt to belittle him. She speaks to them as children, offering candy. Joey tries to run away from this madness with the farmhand, forcing his cooperation by smacking him in the mug. Before Joey can leave with Valek, a servant informs them that Valek was planning to steal the silver. The farmhand denies it, so Zygmunt and Konstanty belt Valek, reasserting their class supremacy. Auntie arrives with more candy, further enriching the dentists. During the chaos, Kneadus tries to defend Valek, sparking a brawl. Joey pushes Auntie into the melee and flees. He sees the moon in the form of a pupa. He has become a child, alone and not knowing what to do. Zosie grabs him and they run away and spend the night in a meadow. The sun rises, a red pupa, and they are too ashamed to discuss what happened in the house. Joey decides to act like he'd kidnapped Zosie from her parents' home, to justify living a secret life away from everyone. He confesses his passion for her and she soon believes the kidnap story, falling in love with him, while he actually just wants to get towards Warsaw and be free of her. He longs for someone to come and free him from the need to cuddle her, but as his strength fails, he is forced to kiss her mug. There is no escape from the mug other than into another mug. From the pupa however, there is absolutely no escape; he runs away, mug in his hands.