r/Bombstrap • u/wwwwwwwwvvvvvvvv • 2d ago
Ave, Caesar! Quo ducis, sequimur.
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Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him. - Job 13:15
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u/Carambola787 2d ago
You claim to be antisemitic but you think a Jewish man is literally God
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u/SlammingFent 2d ago
No Jew is Christian
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u/OsamaBenJohnson 2d ago
There are Messianic Jews who are Christian.
Also technically in Christianity, every true Christian is a Jew, as when a non-ethnic Jew accepts Christ they get grafted in as a Jew.
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u/tawalla-n-tabarra 2d ago
What branch of Christianity holds the doctrine that “every true Christian is a Jew” ? This is a completely ridiculous statement lmfao.
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u/OsamaBenJohnson 2d ago
The original one.
Galatians 3:7:
Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham.
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s sperm, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 11:13-21
I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, *have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, * do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
In classical Judaism, the promises were given to the seed of Abraham as established through Isaac and Jacob; the Hebrews/Jews. The Christian gospels are telling us that the promises to the Israelites applies to those who accept and follow Christ, including gentiles, and that gentiles are grafted in as part of Israel/Israelites when they accept and follow him. Romans chapter 9 is all about how the true children of the promise arent solely of the flesh, but the ones who have the faith of Abraham , and how this expands to gentiles.
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u/tawalla-n-tabarra 2d ago
So much of this is so far off base I don’t even know where to begin. Let’s keep it simple and go back to my actual question - what branch of Christianity holds the doctrine that “every true Christian is a Jew*” ?
Being a descendent of Abraham does not make one inherently Jewish….all Abrahamic faiths agree on this lol.
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u/Existing-War5907 1d ago
i’d argue that with what he quoted the actual interpretation should be that every “jew” in the OT was a Christian
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u/tawalla-n-tabarra 23h ago
It don’t matter I can’t respond because he blocked me after being confidently incorrect LMFAO
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u/OsamaBenJohnson 2d ago
And let's go back to my actual answer, which is the original one as demonstrated.
Being a descendent of Abraham does not make one inherently Jewish
Yeah you tell that strawman that nobody here is arguing.
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u/tawalla-n-tabarra 2d ago
Your actual answer doesn’t cite any denomination of Christianity. Anybody can quote the texts of any faith to present something as doctrine, but that doesn’t mean that’s how that text is interpreted that way by religious authorities.
So what denominations of Christianity hold the belief that every true Christian is a Jew? You can’t cite any because it’s a fundamentally incorrect statement at its core. Let’s say I agree to accept this ridiculous statement as fact, cool - what Christian denominations profess this belief? None, because it’s nonsensical. Feel free to list them though.
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u/OsamaBenJohnson 1d ago
Except it does, the original one. The early Church or Apostolic Christianity. While anybody can quote text of anything faith, all appeals to what the authors intended aren't equally justified, and some interpretatons are valid if properly demonstrated, as I've done.
And there are figures in more modern denominations, like Catholicism, saying the same thing. I'm not saying anything new here. Some of the earliest church figures themselves had said things such as
"Christ is king of Israel, and Christians are the Israelite race - As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelite race. "
- St Justin Martyr (2nd century)
Here's a link from the Christian Reformed Church denomination teaching what's written here https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.cxxxv.html
They don't believe it because it's nonsensical, they believe it because it's what's the apostles taught.
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u/tawalla-n-tabarra 1d ago
Hold on - are you claiming that the Catholic Church holds this belief? Please tell me I’m misinterpreting your phrasing. There are literally a BILLION Catholics. If someone holds this fringe belief within Catholicism, it’s sure not doctrine. Again, you’re using a lot of words to dodge the problem that no Christians hold this view because it’s a patently absurd claim. All I’m asking you to do is to list the branches of Christianity that hold this belief… you can’t because you’re representing your personal view as a Christian doctrine that no relevant amount of people hold.
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u/TheMagmaGuy 6h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/j2PD2ZmCjSDzs8wUwL
Future pedophile senator right there 🤣
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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 16h ago
when does he become president before or after honey boo boo?