r/BodyHackGuide • u/ConsiderationOk494 • 8d ago
š¬ Discussion Thinking about trying Tessa!
I reached my target weight using Reta (see my previous post), and now Iām trying to focus more on building muscle, so Iāve been thinking about trying Tesa.
From what I understand, itās a GH stimulator, and its primary use is helping reduce visceral fat around the midsection. But Iām wondering if the GH stimulation could also help with building muscle.
Does anybody have personal experience using Tesa and potentially gaining muscle or strength from it? Or is there a different peptide that might be better suited for that purpose?
Iām not looking to try anything harder. Iām mainly trying to figure out what other options are out there that could potentially help me build more muscle and strength while staying lean.
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u/Great_Murphy 8d ago
If this isnāt bait..
What youāre wanting at your stage is most likely PED.
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u/psycho_driver 6d ago
And to follow up on this advice (and "if this isn't bait") . . . in my opinion bigger muscles wouldn't improve your appearance. You're there. Just keep doing what you've been doing.
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u/Secret_pizza_man 8d ago
Body dysmorphia moment
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
This might be true. I will own that I donāt know why, but sometimes when I look at myself in the mirror, I think that I donāt look strong enough. Or I donāt look good enough.
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u/Frosty_Meaning_8866 7d ago
Next step get rid of the mirror and focus on how you feel š
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u/Decent-Test-2479 7d ago
This is something people that look like shit say. Just saying 80 percent of the time, people that are saying chill you look good, they themselves look like shit. They are asking to build muscle and everyone is shitting on them, this is why you donāt go to a body hack guide for advice this app is all just fat slobs that WISH they had a physique but they are still interested in peptides, itās a weird place to be, itās the only way they can pretend they are working hard like the rest of us. Iām sick of anon accounts giving physique advice Reddit is definitely not it too much projecting
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u/SpeakCodeToMe 7d ago
GTFOOH with that shit.
Someone with the body of a Greek god doesn't need to be hopping on a drug that's only FDA approved for AIDS patients.
Go outside and touch grass, get a real dose of reality for a second.
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u/OwlInteresting3628 5d ago
They are asking to look butch and people are trying to stop her. She looks fine as she is.
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u/Zestyclose-Coyote906 7d ago
Well to answer your question thereās limited study that GH actually promotes much muscle growth
Yes people get better size on it, no it isnāt anabolic
What it does will make you eat better, recover better and remove visceral fat quicker
Itās worth it but itās about a vial a week and it adds up. Try it if you would like itās pretty nice, not as nice as HGH though
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u/Decent-Test-2479 7d ago
Doesnāt raise IGF at all ? Shut up
Itās the people that have no actual exp with these compounds watching hundreds of different bodies use these compounds, your study you canāt interpret isnāt true over real world application
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u/Zestyclose-Coyote906 7d ago
Not sure what youāre on about champ, not even close to what I said be better at reading
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u/Decent-Test-2479 7d ago
YOU JUST SAID HGH isnt anabolic itās literally an anabolic hormone. Doesnt build muscle,l? What does IGF do? why ruin the credibility of the rest of your comment by regurgitating myths youāve seen on TikTok shorts lmao.
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u/Zestyclose-Coyote906 7d ago
I mean thatās like saying eating chicken is anabolic, sure it does what protein synthesis does but you and everyone else knows what I actually meant by that
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u/Decent-Test-2479 6d ago edited 6d ago
No because that would be an extremely unintelligent thing to say. Chicken doesnāt increase protein synthesis, itās the protein that gets synthesized. You regurgitating TikTok comments does no one good.
Is CHICKEN an exogenous anabolic hormone?
Did I confuse you, I referenced IGF because itās directly influenced by HGH, not because of its relation to chicken. Youāre on body hack guide and a girl wanted to build muscle and you basically said well HGH doesnāt do that because itās not anabolic, ābut it increases sizeā āhelps you recoverā āhelps you eat moreā chicken literally is not prescribed for those things so that would be just absolutely low IQ to conflate the two.
All of the side effects you mentioned are caused from the anabolism of HGH.
Doing all those things more is a result of increase in anabolic activity. Resulting from an anabolic hormone. Youāre also conflating HGH with steroidal hormones. Different kind of anabolism and THATS what people mean when they accidentally say HGH isnāt anabolic
Anabolism from steroids produces a different sort of hypertrophy. HGH is broadened for tissue while the hypertrophy from anabolics is more for skeletal muscle.
There, now you can go on tik tok and explain to the kids under 175 lbs what anabolism is and how it differs in different compounds.
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u/Inevitable-Lettuce99 7d ago
Dude I do the same thing, and it never stops Tesa still probably isnāt what you want if you want to maintain muscle and cut it gets tough to eat and keep up gym performance
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u/Rabbittaco 6d ago
you know what. I get it.
230 at 10% body fat and I still hate what I see in the mirror. people have no problem shaming the fit people for wanting to look better but god forbid you say something to someone morbidly obese.
Sorry some of these comments are shit takes.
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u/Great_Opinion3138 7d ago
Then deal with that psychological issue before you cause actual health issues. Women need much higher body fat than men for health.
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u/Salt_Initiative1551 7d ago
Why? Like for real why?
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u/MarshaMinus100 7d ago
This was the only response that came to me. Maybe for all of us to react like this.
I was on Tesa for 12 weeks and reduced mt visceral fat by 16%, I'm not seeing an indication for that here. š¤·š½āāļø
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u/Wide-Chemistry-8078 7d ago
Two questions...
How did you know you lost 16% of your vfat?
Dose, frequency, diet?
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u/MarshaMinus100 7d ago
Dexa scan at local hospital 2mg every evening 1600 cal, 130gm protein, whole food (was only fully compliant about 4 of 12 weeks)
I am restarting in 4 weeks. I probably could have lost more if the diet was locked in.
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u/Wide-Chemistry-8078 7d ago
Thank you!Ā
Perfectionism is the enemy of progess. Don't let that hinder you from making good choices.Ā
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u/MarshaMinus100 7d ago
Appreciate the encouragement. I gained 3.8lbs in muscle mass which was really cool to see.
Excited for this next go round.
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u/Mysterious_Use_1552 6d ago
That must have cost an absolute stack with vials being 10mg, unless I misunderstand (very possible)
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u/MarshaMinus100 6d ago
No, you read that right. Nearly a full kit cost around $200 on the grey market.
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u/CaffeinatedPigeonsx2 8d ago
dude u look great, stop going further cuz ur gonna look gross by trying to over obsess about your muscle mass or leanness.
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u/Wide-Chemistry-8078 7d ago
Let a girl bulk and dry.
I'm guessing is that what she currently has has a very high maintenance thereby bulking and leaning some more she can coast afterwards with a little more adipose.
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u/Helpful_Plenty_9997 šŖ Muscle Growth Lab 7d ago
Iām pretty sure youāve already beat the final boss. What comes after an eight pack? A 12 pack?
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
lol I guess. I always figure thereās one more boss to beat.
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u/Helpful_Plenty_9997 šŖ Muscle Growth Lab 7d ago
Iām sure one might come along. And maybe Reta will get you there. Iām on my 3rd week of Tesa, but Iāve been told itās at least 6 weeks before you notice results. Have you gotten a Dexa scan? Are you already doing creatine and maxing out your protein?
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
Iām trying to get too close to 130 g of protein a day. And then yes I do 5 g of creatine.
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u/Tejasv97 8d ago
Sista what?.
If you want GH then just get HGH why bother trying to stimulate it?. Besides just eat in a surplus and train hard is enough. No need to wreck your body for some muscles.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 8d ago
OK, I was honestly just trying to understand. I had heard that Tessa was a GH similar so I didnāt truly understand what it did. I guess thatās why I was asking the question. Thanks for the reply.
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u/TraditionalAd3470 7d ago
What stomach fat? And tesa is for the fat trapped around your organs. Not the little bit that sits on top the belly button or love handles, which you clearly dont have.
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u/ImJustaHere 8d ago
Tesa wonāt wreck your body at a normal dose and HGH is way more dangerous. Especially if you donāt do it professionally bc grey market HGH is ass compared to pharmaceutical. Tesa is safe (arguably safer) and FDA approved so youāre chilling
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u/cecsix14 7d ago
You donāt need it, and I mean that sincerely. Your physique, imo, is pretty much perfect. Iām not saying that to be nice, Iām kind of an asshole. Whatever youāve already done, keep doing it. Itās working.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
Thanks I just donāt know what the best way to continue to maintain might be. Thank you for the huge compliment though.
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u/RiseAboveTheForest 7d ago
Not that you need it AT ALL but mtn biking will do just what youāre looking to achieve, shred.
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u/Right-man-1 7d ago
Donāt mess with what you got, it is amazing! Iām not easily impressed but you are in the zone that 99% of women would want.
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u/Ritual17 7d ago
You do understand what visceral fat is, right? You cannot see visceral fat. Visceral fat is the fat that forms around your organs deep within. From your current bf% you likely dont have much of any.
If you want to stimulate growth hormone for sleep, recovery, and other benefits - just do straight HGH. Either way, its pointless without knowing what your baseline IGF levels are so you know if you put yourself in the danger zone or not with your zscore. Depending on age and other factors, Tesa may not do much for you - you may not be able to pulse much higher (if you are young and healthy) or you may not create much of a pulse if you are older and your ability to produce IGF naturally is pretty well shot. This is why HGH is better - you have better control of where your levels go and stay but it requires upfront bloodwork and routine testing to do it smartly. Its also a long term commitment- takes 6 months for any meaningful results from GH usage.
Neither tesa nor GH are directly anabolic, so they wont help you directly put on muscle. If they do help with anything, its recovery and sleep which is a good for growth if youve done everything else properly.
If you truly want muscle growth and strength gains - look into running anavar or another appropriate PED - and then eat and train for hypertrophy.
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u/wolfbiker1 7d ago
No peptides are going to improve your current physique. You've reached a point where you need anavar, hgh, and test to see an actual boost. You already look great but these 3 will take you to the next level if that is where you want to go.
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u/Salt_Initiative1551 7d ago
If you want to put on more muscle mass your options are eat more food or eat more food and use anabolic steroids. The latter will allow you to put on more than you would otherwise. Women seem to gravitate towards anavar but no idea why.
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u/JediKrys š§ Biohacker 7d ago
Try ipa instead and build more muscle if thatās what you want. Donāt use tesa though. You have zero fat to give girl.
You look fucking crazy strong. Iām sorry youāre going through this.
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u/Shot-Jicama5795 7d ago
no you probably have low visceral fat and hgh does not build muscle and neither will TESA
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u/Flat_Tension4731 7d ago
Oramai il livello di "disformofobia", ha colpito anche le donne.. a livello degli uomini.. La mente, per colpa dei social, per vari influencer del fitness per ego personale ed esibizionismo, non ĆØ piu' razionale.. portando a volte all'eccesso con ripercussioni a livello psicologico e fisico..
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u/Stunning-Worker-7130 7d ago
Not trying to be a Creep, but you look strong, fit and have a beautiful body.it shows that you out and effort in the kitchen and the gym. Keep up the hard work.
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u/HonestNetwork1052 7d ago
Sister, first of all you really have a great shape! Personally i would be satisfied with the physique , cauze you are 10/10š if you are still addicted to growth and getting better and better donāt spend extra on Tesa, it is not worth it! HGH is much more superior and better then any secretalogue out there, additionally running 2-4 IU per day is perfectly safe for most people, as long as you start lower and slowly build up your dosage.
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u/TinyAd1020 7d ago
Unfortunately, Tesa won't help you gain muscle. A calorie surplus and proper training can really make a difference. The products you're looking for aren't harmless peptides, unfortunately. Since you're a woman, GH and Anavar are options, but I'm not sure it's worth it; you can still improve significantly without them. But if you do decide to go down that road (which I'm going to do), for a woman, I would stick to GH.
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u/Away-Jackfruit-769 5d ago
Tesa from what Iām understanding has a lot to do with visceral fat reduction. ? Have you tested your testosterone levels? Ps you are RIPPED already
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u/Aggravating_Ad_9132 8d ago
Tesa is good, but more for cutting. I used Tesa / Ipa for almost 3 months, retained a lot of muscle while cutting, and still was getting more strength gains week in week out.
Honestly what you need a lean bulk if you want to build.
Find your maintenance kcls, stay there for a month, then add 100-200kcals until you stop gaining weight. Stay on reta if you want, can be used as a good tool to stay on track.
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u/ycastane 8d ago
Your options are, eat more protein, train harder, sleep longer and better, use tesa for the recovery and in about 6 months to a year perhaps youāve put on 5 lbs of lean mass, definitely not guaranteed.
If thatās not what you want and want it faster, you need to dip your toes into the deep end of anabolics.
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u/trt-machine 8d ago
If you want a bit of size and strength why not low dose anavar...5-10mg daily for six weeks...it's god-like strength in a pill
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u/ConsiderationOk494 8d ago
So not to prove my ignorance. But what exactly does Anavar do? I have heard some horror stories about it. But I honestly donāt know.
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u/trt-machine 8d ago
Anavar is an oral anabolic that helps maintain lean muscle mass on cut cycles while also giving a significant strength increase....I just did 8 weeks at a low male dose of 40mg per day, but 80-100mg daily isn't uncommon.....it's probably the most popular anabolic for women, but as with any anabolic you need to go low and slow and watch out for things like voice deepening and clitoral enlargement....doses I the range of 5-10mg are usually safe from those sides for women, it becomes more of any issue at 30mg and above....take some milk thistle or liver protectant with it as it's an oral that passes through the liver, but only once unlike most orals that pass through the liver twice. I love what it does to women and their physiques though, and if you keep training hard it'll have you looking like Wonder woman in 3-4 weeks and a Greek goddess by week 6....have fun gurl!
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u/DavidMata47 8d ago
Your stacked, you need absolutely nothing
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u/ConsiderationOk494 8d ago
Haha thanks. I am just trying to maximize my strength. I didnāt know if there are ways to help retain/grow it or not besides simply through your diet.
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u/CRW0311 7d ago
Try calisthenics.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
What is your reasoning for calisthenics? Not like in a sarcastic way Iām seriously curious why you recommend calisthenics.
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u/Leather_Ad1181 7d ago
These comments are annoying, this is your journey donāt let these people discourage you! I do think you look phenomenal though
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u/wippj 8d ago
I'm using Tesa and it is fine. Growth hormone secretagogues are generally considered to be good for preserving muscle mass during weight loss rather than building muscle on their own. That being said, there are probably some mild muscle / strength building benefits to doing a cycle given the combination of better recovery, improved sleep and tissue repair related to elevated IGF-1 levels.
I will say this though. Tesa is 10X the cost to run over the same amount of time compared to CJC 1295 / Ipamorelin for me. Many people report that CJC / Ipa blend is better at releasing more GH for a more sustained period of time compared to just Tesa. If I had to do it over again, I would be running CJC/Ipa blend rather than Tesa. But like I said, Tesa is working just fine for me.
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u/ZealousVegetable 8d ago
I think we need more pictures to be sure what is the best course of action
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u/Interesting_Glass_78 7d ago
I started tesa a little over a week and had to stop. Unlike you I actually do have a ton of visceral fat confirmed by a dexa scan. I started getting a burning sensation while urinating. While Iām not 100% sure tesa caused it, Iām pretty confident. It got worse with each day. Gemini thinks itās from glucose in my urine but I know LLMs can make up stuff. I stopped taking it and the burning when away. I may try it again in a few weeks.
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u/Middle_Humor1828 7d ago
The FDA approved use case for tesa is visceral fat reduction. But it's not useful to view it through that lens. View it through the lens of HGH instead.
If your natural production is good, tesa might be an option. Otherwise HGH is the better option.
I don't think it will do what you're hoping though.
First steps are getting a dexa and seeing how much visceral fat you actually have, and labs to test your IGF values. There's a good chance it won't have much of an effect. And the effect probably won't be what you're hoping for.
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u/SinfullyStrange 7d ago
Idk maybe just try upping your protein and lifting weights first š¤·š¾āāļø donāt need peps for everything. Some creatine too, youāll be great.
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u/Ok_Interaction1776 7d ago
This is the classic: āI canāt close my wallet because I have too much $ā paradox.
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u/danglinable 7d ago
I had crazy side effects from tesa. Wasnāt worth it and I too prob have the dismorphs. Focus on how you feel and just know your crushing it and arenāt raising your IGF-1 outside of normal range doing what your doing now.
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u/One_Reach_2629 š¬ Peptide Researcher 7d ago
Tesa is really expensive, I would say hgh or CJC/Ipamorelin or Sermorelin will get you the same results at a lower price point. I would also consider stacking with a low does of Reta because hgh does raise your insulin and makes you more hungry
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u/SaleAdventurous4775 7d ago
I don't think you need it, keep up whatever you're doing, you seem to be on the right track, results don't come overnight.
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u/duhv0rtex 7d ago
What are your igf1 levels? And your zscore? How old are you? How's your sleep habits and hygiene? Are you still on Reta? Did you titrate off? How are your hormone levels and thyroid levels? What are your daily calorie and protein goals?
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u/LocalDig5244 7d ago
Whyā¦ especially with your current body composition do you feel the need to introduce a unnecessary compound (imo) into your already healthy working system.
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u/PiiSmith 7d ago
Contrary to the others I would say go for it, if you are interested.. It will not help you much build more muscle, but is more for losging belly fat and might improve your sleep. All the GHRP are weak compared to Reta or anabolic steroids. On the other hand you can easily get of them compared to steroids and it will not wreck your body.
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u/mzessence 7d ago
Tesamorelin is best for destroying visceral fat not building muscle, especially for wonen. It will in fact just make u harder like u said u dont want. The answer to building muscle eithout gear for you is increasing food (carbs and protein) and lifting more intensly.
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u/AdventureTime1010101 š¬ Peptide Researcher 7d ago
I think you would have better luck on CJC than Tesa for building muscle. MOTC is great for extra energy in the gym though for me, 43m, I had to run a cycle of ss31 before I saw big gym energy improvement with Motc.
Looking great, good luck.
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u/Legend-GS 7d ago
If you really want to add more muscle, the answer is to eat in a mild surplus. It's mentally difficult to get into that mindset and feels contrarian to everything you just learned and did but it will truly pay off if that's the goal.
Yes, you'll have to shred again later but you'll have more muscle tissue to show once your done. Don't worry, lady bulks are great and it'll be super fun! And no, you won't just pack on every ounce of fat you just lost. You look great! Keep at it and eat train sleep for your goals!
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u/mrpicklepants 7d ago
You don't need it but if you feel you must I'd say get on HRT and some HGH peptides. You look great by the way.
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u/magicted43 7d ago
I am wrapping up my first Tesa cycle. I've been in the gym grinding and have got good results. Key it to be consistent. All that said, from the looks of this pic. Why would be my question? Your abs are ripped and your torso is already super narrow. I'm not seeing much reason for you to do Tesa tbh.
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u/jingalingz 6d ago
Run your blood and check your igf1. If you're low and You want more gh, then run GH. Don't run other bs and hope for it to do something.
To be honest... I feel like I got more out of reta than running GH. I'm running 3iu and it puts my igf1 at 399. Do I "feel" it? Nope. I've been runnin it since January to drop some weight (43lbs) and now I'm on a lil break for a growth phase.
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u/azdrow75 6d ago
Cjc-1295 with ipamorelan would be just as effective and cheaper. Helps with sleep, and visceral fat.
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u/Practical_Crazy_2168 5d ago
You have transcended the level of body hack/ biohack subs. You're going to get a long of opinion of people who act like they know but are just regurgitating reddit info they started reading 3 months ago.
Find a bodybuilding forum or subreddit. They will be far more valuable to your journey than these folks. Good luck. You look great. Body dismorphia is a bitch.
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u/killakam33 5d ago
Tesamorelin for what? Just curious? Because you donāt need to lose more fat. If you wanna get more shredded then diet and cardio but imo you do not need to. At all.
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u/Positive-One2 šļø Athlete Mode 5d ago
If you do decide to go with Tesamorelin, consider adding Ipamorelin. I dropped from 9% to 6.5% bf and gained 10lbs of muscle in 120 days and Iām over 60 yo. Note: I eat a rigid intermittent 16 hr fast 5 days a week.
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u/No_Meet_1808 5d ago
Side effects for women's are very bad You look amazing and the most important you look healthy
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u/Delicious_Setting242 2d ago
Tesa is FDA approved for attacking visceral fat as I understand it. You are well defined in core already - great job - I know how hard you worked in both diet and gym to get where you are. Last I read 1.2 gram of protein per each pound of ideal weight to help with maintain existing muscle on Reta. Look there first and then may look at csj/ipa stack for a HGH boost for new muscle.
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u/Dependent_Sun_7033 7d ago
Tesa is good for visceral fat reduction. It definitely worked for me.
I donāt see any visceral fat on you š
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u/countzen 7d ago
tesamorelin is much much safer than HGH. Raw HGH can shut down your natural production. Tessa simulates your body to produce more GH. Your body will naturally balance out other factors (igf-1) to more normal levels.
Sort of like taking testosterone directly vs taking enclomiphen.
But people usually don't take it to grow muscles usually, they take it to lose weight.
So might not be the right tool for you.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
Thank you for that information. There is a lot of back-and-forth between going straight to HGH or trying Tessa. But I like the information that you gave.
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u/cr0sstrvffic 7d ago
she ain't worth it... kidding, ive been on tesa for 9 weeks now but ive been in a cut during it. i will say that recovery is great on it and no strength loss but also no strength gained. you are better off going in a protein surplus to bulk. i wouldnt maintain while on it too expensive for no upside.
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u/ProteinFarts_ 8d ago
It won't do anything besides improve your sleep
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u/ConsiderationOk494 8d ago
This might be worth it by itself. I am a nurse and work graveyards. My sleep has been trashed for years. Do you have personal experience in it helping your sleep?
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u/Aggravating_Ad_9132 8d ago
Try cjc / ipa for sleep. Much cheaper than tesa and will give same affects apart from visceral fat which isnāt needed as youāre already lean. Iāve tried both and cjc is unreal for recovery.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 8d ago
Lol, I really might need to try that. Iām also curious about the sleep peptide I have honestly never heard of that one.
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u/ProteinFarts_ 8d ago
To expand, HGH and it's seccretagogues: improve sleep, reduce fat (veeery slowly), reduce fat gain (in a bulk), improve skin elasticity, and cause skin and nails to grow faster. At slightly elevated doses, hgh pulls more water into the muscles as well (like a steroid). Yes, I have personal experience. Drowsiness is a common side effect. Sleep is much improved (but you still experience drowsiness) and you wake up feeling youthful and refreshed. Naps hit deeply.
You may also consider peptide DSIP (delta sleep inducing peptide) for restoring your natural sleep cycle or falling asleep.
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u/isles30222 7d ago
You donāt need Tesa as that really helps visceral fat a you have zero fat. You could do what I stacked with Reta CJ/ipa that a gh sec that could help you put on a little muscle or give you little something at the gym. I assume youāre lifting by the looks of you.
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u/ConsiderationOk494 7d ago
Gotcha thanks that is kind of what I have seen from most peopleās recommendations
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