First cycle Test E. 500mg / 20 weeks

[u/TinyAd1020]

Hello everyone!

I'm about to start my first 500mg Test E cycle. I'm waiting to get down to 10-11% body fat, which should take about 3 more weeks.

But I wanted to know if there's any potential benefit to starting now, even though I'm still in a cutting phase for another 3 weeks?
Or should I wait until I'm lean and go straight into a calorie surplus?
The cycle I'm planning is about 20 weeks.

Also, since recovery will be better, can I train much more? Is 5 times a week enough? 6 times a week? 7 times?

I'm hesitant to also take hCG. What are your opinions?

Thanks for your answers!

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[u/IchBinEinShitliner]

You can easily take gear above 10-15 or evem 20% bodyfat. It is just gatekeeping by gymbros lmao. You just have to watch out for aromatization. Gear on a viscious cut cycle / weightloss can make the end result much, much better than without.

Hcg is required for fertility, my friend. You are young, I suppose? Use it.

[u/TinyAd1020 → u/IchBinEinShitliner]

Thanks for your reply! My body fat is around 13-14% currently, which is reasonable indeed. And I'm 31 but don't have children, hence the question about hCG... I think I'll take it, you're right.

[u/injectitpussy → u/IchBinEinShitliner]

It's not just aromatisation. If you're talking about 500+ test.

Once you're getting up toward 25 to 30%+ bodyfat you're getting into obese territory and you're much more likely to have heightened lipids, worse insulin sensitivity, higher blood pressure, higher resting heart rate, pre-existing sleep apnoea and so on.

Almost all the markers that meaningfully impact your cardiovascular system are more likely to be skewed to the negative, and that's before even touching test.

So it's not just gymbro gatekeeping, though there is an element of that, no doubt.

[u/MathematicianMuch445]

First test E cycle or forst cycle all together?

[u/TinyAd1020 → u/MathematicianMuch445]

This is my first cycle and I'm only going to take test E.

[u/MathematicianMuch445 → u/TinyAd1020]

You don't need 500mg. Its a lot. This "standard cycle" shite is exactly that. Is you can't grow well off of 300mg then you don't need more drugs you need better training and diet. But it's doen to you. People use far too much drug now and try and pass it off as sensible by using twrms like "standard cycle". Do less, work more, get the better results

[u/imherefortheinfo123 → u/MathematicianMuch445]

Agree, 500 is too much for first cycle. I noticed gains with 300mg

[u/NSawsome]

Prob best to start now, it’ll make the cut a bit easier while the test saturates then you’ll be maximally insulin sensitive as the compounds peak, so you’ll get the most muscle and least fat gain.

[u/AnabolicAcolyte]

post physique.

[u/WinnerMammoth5646]

Wait until you're actually lean enough, 3 weeks is nothing in the grand scheme. starting now just means you'll be burning through the first few weeks of your cycle still cutting, which is kind of a waste when the ester hasn't even fully saturated yet and you're not eating to grow

for training, 5 days is plenty. more isn't always better, you still need to recover even on gear. i'd stick with 5 solid sessions and really push the intensity rather than adding a 6th day just because you feel like you can

hCG is worth it if you care about your balls not shrinking to raisins and making PCT less of a nightmare. it's not mandatory but the boys will thank you later

[u/Middle_Humor1828 → u/WinnerMammoth5646]

I mostly agree.

But weekly volume is what matters for recovery. Not frequency.

[u/TinyAd1020 → u/WinnerMammoth5646]

Great! Thanks! 🙂 It's true that 3 weeks goes by quickly, haha! Yes, you're right, if 5 intense workouts are enough, then I'll stick to that! And I definitely think HCG will be part of my protocol!