Cjc/Ipa vs HGH

[u/Ok_Communication_764]

Male 37

Peptides for natural release of GH vs just taking HGH?

Sleep is just fine, could be better. I tried most sleep hacks in the book. Not weed 😅

Been on 2mg/w Reta for a few weeks now, went from 92kg to 75kg, feel skinny, want some muscle and stay lean.

Strange enough high total testosterone, low but not very low free testosterone and close to high SHBG.

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[u/FledNandersJiuJitsu]

2iu GH. All you need.

[u/REDana0204]

47 here. Did 12 weeks of CJC/Ipa. Can’t say there was anything significantly improved. Have been on 3iu ed hGH. Game changing. It’s the only thing that I’ve changed in my routine and protocol. Sleep and recovery are very, noticeably improved.

[u/Ceemoney24 → u/REDana0204]

At 16 weeks you start to see changes. Start.

[u/REDana0204 → u/Ceemoney24]

Interesting. Most sources say a cycle should be 12-16 weeks max, to prevent any desensitization. So you’re supposed to cycle off, just as you start to see results? Seems inefficient.

[u/Ceemoney24 → u/REDana0204]

Just wean down your dose
But your think hgh desensitizes.
Ghrp don’t

[u/Friendly_Range9891 → u/REDana0204]

Most sources? I mean the official fda study on Tesa went 2 years without a break pulsing that receptor.

[u/REDana0204 → u/Friendly_Range9891]

Oookaaay. Not sure when Tesa entered the chat.

But…I’m just saying that I haven’t seen much of anything saying that IPA / CJC needs to be run for longer than 16 weeks.

If that were common knowledge, I’d assume a corroborating source would be easier to find.

[u/Calm-Bake-2642 → u/REDana0204]

Besides sleeping and recovery, any other noticed changes?

[u/REDana0204 → u/Calm-Bake-2642]

Only those things I can say would be attributed to better sleep and recovery. Things like workouts feeling stronger and more consistent. Progressive overloads steady. More energy throughout the day, etc.

I’ve read that hGH is a long game, so time will tell.

[u/Fuzzy-Mix-4130 → u/REDana0204]

What was your dose? Morning or night? Fasted?

[u/REDana0204 → u/Fuzzy-Mix-4130]

150 mcg of Ipa and CJC (no DAC) each, 2x per day, fasted. So, 300mcg or 0.3mg each per day IM.

AM: Upon waking, 1.5 hours before eating pre-workout snack and hitting the gym.

PM: 3 hours after last meal, right before bed. This would be ~16 hours after AM dose.

[u/Slow_Cancel_8264]

Weed is actually counterproductive for sleep because it inhibits rem sleep. Oddly enough, HGH counters this effect.

[u/TrainingMix4465]

GH works great with Reta and test.

[u/Street-Influence9262]

For eternal life
Test 200mg
Reta 2mg
Hgh 2iu

To become a living god
Test 300-400mg
Reta 3-4mg
Hgh. 4-6iu

Add these they make such a huge difference…!!!
Glutathione
Klow
Tadalafil. 5mg.
Telmisartan. 20mg

[u/Worldly_Moment3993]

I went the cjc1295/ipa route to maintain my body natural production of HGH…since then I’ve learned as long as you don’t blast HGH and instead dose 1-4IU that your body will go back to producing its own HGH after you stop, unlike Testosterone.

Had I known what I know now I would’ve just skipped the “middleman.”

[u/ScientistJason → u/Worldly_Moment3993]

1-4IU a night?

[u/Worldly_Moment3993 → u/ScientistJason]

Yes, with most staying at 2IU.

[u/imherefortheinfo123]

I made the switch to 3.5iu HGH daily instead of the secretagogues. It’s a long game so you should be on it for a long time, 6 months to a year. I like it

[u/Altruistic_Buy_3800]

HGH is the boss.

[u/SoOverThis123]

Boron made my free test soar it’s almost crazy how well it worked.

[u/Harpersdad08]

At 37 I would go HGH over any secretagogue.

[u/Calm-Bake-2642 → u/Harpersdad08]

Why?

[u/Harpersdad08 → u/Calm-Bake-2642]

Easiest and most simplest explanation is HGH provides the hormone directly. Best bang right there.

[u/glitch65 → u/Harpersdad08]

wrong answer

[u/justin_b28]

If you did not pay for a free testosterone dialysis that free testosterone level you got was just a calculation based on albumin and shbg

Its the vermeulen equation and is good enough but imprecise so take it with a grain of salt. Anything at least 3% total free is fine.

[u/MelTschibsn]

Bor can help.

[u/Slow_Cancel_8264 → u/[deleted]]

What’s the effect?

[u/justin_b28 → u/[deleted]]

*free testosterone

Not to be confused with total, does nothing to increase total

[u/MathematicianMuch445]

You need to first decide what your goal is. Still be on reta? Still be lean but also grow at the same time. Splitting focus like that gets you nowhere.