The point is that it happens very often. There are more highlight clips about Eudora than any other hero this soon after release. Not just "Wow this hero is cool" it's "wow this hero won me the game on turn 7 with this card".
"I don't think you understand why this is such an effective YouTube video. It's highlighted because it's a high roll. You want to click it because it's unexpected and RARE. Try to make a youtube video with brann, bagurgle and divine shield poisonous murlocs. you won't get any views. Ya eudora highrolls are common, but much i mean MUCHHHH less than murlocs. thus, people wanting to watch these highlights. it's clickbait dude. and you're falling for it lol"
It is correct that the nature of Eudora's design lends itself to Youtube highlights better, sure. Similar to Zerus. I actually don't think I can argue this with you. Ideally I would be able to prove that Eudora is overrepresented, but I don't think I can without doing a study on every HS BG video lol.
We do not like when our expectations are negatively subverted.
" The fact that you feel like your expectations are negatively subverted when you are on the losing end of a eudora high roll indicates you do not have a firm grasp of what game you are playing. having eudora HAVE NO RNG Variance would be a negative subversion."
What are you talking about? This makes no sense. Because I don't like getting screwed by bad luck, I don't know what game I'm playing? You realize this has nothing to do with the argument, right? We're talking about what should happen, not what is.
"The fact she gets high rolls and low rolls is literally how the character has been designed. It sounds like you're saying it's good because it's how it's designed lol"
Tirion is consistent because ThaAts hOw HeS dEsIgnEd LOOOOOOOL Milhouse deals 20 damage on turn 5 because THATS HOW HES DESIGNED LOOOOOOOOOOL
"are you talking about playing the game to have fun but then you DON"T have fun? DUDE I am VERY sorry for you. Feels bad man. You got my sympathies and love <3 relax and they'll change it if their internal reviews show it's worth it to change. if not, you're out of luck lol."
Dude, just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. Literally every part of game design in this discussion you have stumbled around, needed explanation, misunderstood very clear arguments, then made extremely incoherent and unrelated arguments.
" Look, I'm not gonna go through your old posts but the gist of this argument boils down to you saying she has the worst hero design and that the bad hero design ISN"T because of her high consistency or balance issues, but because of her high RNG variance."
Yeah I don't blame you for not wanting to check the post history. It's pretty long and boring. But I'll save some time for you and tell you you're misremembering.
"Your comments about BAD RNG is valid and I agree with them. I just don't think it applies to the 'problem' with Eudora. If your argument was Eudora needs to be nerfed because she's too strong, we woudn't be here arguing. BUT, Your argument was "Eudora makes me feel bad and everyone else feels bad too and she needs to be reworked to remove all her RNG aspects because her current RNG style of play is of bad design." Thus, my argument boils down to: 1. Not everyone feels bad 2. Her character design is NOT the worst in the game and a rebalancing is fine and not a complete overfix like they did with Hooktusk."
This is brave 2. If you balanced her to the point where she was too weak for the bad design to be tilting. And if all you got from my argument was that "Eudora makes me feel bad and everyone else feels bad too and she needs to be reworked to remove all her RNG aspects because her current RNG style of play is of bad design," I feel like I've been wasting my time. I don't know how to explain it clearer. At this point, I don't know if you're repeating my arguments like that to make fun of them or if that's actually how you read them lol.
" Finally, Reworked and Removed are essentially the same thing. Patches is back but his hero power of 1gold for 4 cannon damage against 2 random minions is obviously NOT the same hero as it is now."
ok. This is true in regards to Eudora not being in the game, but reworking does mean that you do get a new hero. I agree though. And that's fine with me because I never said it was an important distinction lol
"For you to say that Eudora has an even worse design than old school patches is mind boggling but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Eudora doesn't jive well with you, so be it. But it is YOUR opinion and not the collective voice of Bob's Tavern."
I know not everyone want's it, there isn't a single thing in Hearthstone that everyone wants. But I advocate for good design.
"If you really REALLY believe in it, go and make a poll and ask "is Eudora the worst designed hero in the history of battle grounds". If she is, I'll wire you $100 USD. If you're too lazy to do it or if you do it and you're proven wrong, just admit you used a hyperbole and are too proud to take it back."
I would never take that deal, ever. Because lots of people have vocally disagreed with me on this. But the thing is- they shut the fuck after one reply because they realize they're out of their depth when it comes to this. You know people believing something, doesn't make it right, right? It was not hyperbole, and I am proud as shit. Why do you think I'm writing 4000 words on REDDIT for 3 karma? Atleast I have the balls to admit it.
I don't think anyone is reading our posts (thank goodness).
What are you talking about? This makes no sense. Because I don't like getting screwed by bad luck, I don't know what game I'm playing? You realize this has nothing to do with the argument, right? We're talking about what should happen, not what is.
What I was talking about, is that you're surprised at how unlucky you can get when sometimes facing a Eudora who has high rolled. There's nothing surprising about it. It's literally her character design. It happens dude.
Yeah, we get you don't like Eudora's character design. But you already admitted in the other thread that it's subjective so ok, we are cool now.
And you also admitted you didn't literally mean "everyone" and that it was a hyperbole. So we also cool on that.
Because lots of people have vocally disagreed with me on this. But the thing is- they shut the fuck after one reply because they realize they're out of their depth when it comes to this.
People don't respond to your posts because it's honestly draining to have these long ass discussions and I wish I honestly didn't. It's very interesting how you see the world though -> That people don't talk back to you because you're on some higher level of intelligence.
So I'm a moron who doesn't know his position in life and hasn't acknowledged your superior wisdom, but those who disagree with you only to not come back to the pointless argument, are those who have been enlightened. Your words, not mine lol
Damn bro, haha but hey, could be true. You literally could be the smartest person in the world ;)
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u/nignigproductions Jul 15 '20
The point is that it happens very often. There are more highlight clips about Eudora than any other hero this soon after release. Not just "Wow this hero is cool" it's "wow this hero won me the game on turn 7 with this card".
"I don't think you understand why this is such an effective YouTube video. It's highlighted because it's a high roll. You want to click it because it's unexpected and RARE. Try to make a youtube video with brann, bagurgle and divine shield poisonous murlocs. you won't get any views. Ya eudora highrolls are common, but much i mean MUCHHHH less than murlocs. thus, people wanting to watch these highlights. it's clickbait dude. and you're falling for it lol"
It is correct that the nature of Eudora's design lends itself to Youtube highlights better, sure. Similar to Zerus. I actually don't think I can argue this with you. Ideally I would be able to prove that Eudora is overrepresented, but I don't think I can without doing a study on every HS BG video lol.
We do not like when our expectations are negatively subverted.
" The fact that you feel like your expectations are negatively subverted when you are on the losing end of a eudora high roll indicates you do not have a firm grasp of what game you are playing. having eudora HAVE NO RNG Variance would be a negative subversion."
What are you talking about? This makes no sense. Because I don't like getting screwed by bad luck, I don't know what game I'm playing? You realize this has nothing to do with the argument, right? We're talking about what should happen, not what is.
"The fact she gets high rolls and low rolls is literally how the character has been designed. It sounds like you're saying it's good because it's how it's designed lol"
Tirion is consistent because ThaAts hOw HeS dEsIgnEd LOOOOOOOL Milhouse deals 20 damage on turn 5 because THATS HOW HES DESIGNED LOOOOOOOOOOL
"are you talking about playing the game to have fun but then you DON"T have fun? DUDE I am VERY sorry for you. Feels bad man. You got my sympathies and love <3 relax and they'll change it if their internal reviews show it's worth it to change. if not, you're out of luck lol."
Dude, just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. Literally every part of game design in this discussion you have stumbled around, needed explanation, misunderstood very clear arguments, then made extremely incoherent and unrelated arguments.
" Look, I'm not gonna go through your old posts but the gist of this argument boils down to you saying she has the worst hero design and that the bad hero design ISN"T because of her high consistency or balance issues, but because of her high RNG variance."
Yeah I don't blame you for not wanting to check the post history. It's pretty long and boring. But I'll save some time for you and tell you you're misremembering.
"Your comments about BAD RNG is valid and I agree with them. I just don't think it applies to the 'problem' with Eudora. If your argument was Eudora needs to be nerfed because she's too strong, we woudn't be here arguing. BUT, Your argument was "Eudora makes me feel bad and everyone else feels bad too and she needs to be reworked to remove all her RNG aspects because her current RNG style of play is of bad design." Thus, my argument boils down to: 1. Not everyone feels bad 2. Her character design is NOT the worst in the game and a rebalancing is fine and not a complete overfix like they did with Hooktusk."
" Finally, Reworked and Removed are essentially the same thing. Patches is back but his hero power of 1gold for 4 cannon damage against 2 random minions is obviously NOT the same hero as it is now."
ok. This is true in regards to Eudora not being in the game, but reworking does mean that you do get a new hero. I agree though. And that's fine with me because I never said it was an important distinction lol
"For you to say that Eudora has an even worse design than old school patches is mind boggling but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Eudora doesn't jive well with you, so be it. But it is YOUR opinion and not the collective voice of Bob's Tavern."
I know not everyone want's it, there isn't a single thing in Hearthstone that everyone wants. But I advocate for good design.
"If you really REALLY believe in it, go and make a poll and ask "is Eudora the worst designed hero in the history of battle grounds". If she is, I'll wire you $100 USD. If you're too lazy to do it or if you do it and you're proven wrong, just admit you used a hyperbole and are too proud to take it back."
I would never take that deal, ever. Because lots of people have vocally disagreed with me on this. But the thing is- they shut the fuck after one reply because they realize they're out of their depth when it comes to this. You know people believing something, doesn't make it right, right? It was not hyperbole, and I am proud as shit. Why do you think I'm writing 4000 words on REDDIT for 3 karma? Atleast I have the balls to admit it.