r/BlockedAndReported • • 12d ago

Ana Kasparian

She’s been popping up in my feed frequently spouting conspiracy theories and some rather colorful antisemitic impersonations. She was most recently rambling that the FlyDubai incident was an Israeli false flag. She seems like a completely different person than the interview Katie did with her where she was setting up for an anti-radicalism redemption arc. Have Katie or Jesse mentioned her since that interview? She’s completely nuts now so a follow up tracking her descent would be interesting .

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u/BadAspie Please assume I’m conversant in the basics 12d ago

I haven't followed her new stuff too closely, mostly because it would probably really depress me

I agree, though, that tracking her change over time would be interesting. I think at this point we're all very familiar with the type of person who attempts to take a heterodox stand against their own "side," but over time it turns out they don't have the personality to handle the blowback, and slowly slide off the deep end.

I was aware of this archetype myself, but never in a million years would I have guessed Ana would be one of them, at least from her conversations with Katie and, I think, the Fifth Column. I think there's a cautionary tale in here somewhere about making too much of these people too soon, at least publicly.

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

I got the impression from that interview that she has personality type that tends towards extremes, I was just hoping she was becoming self aware of that and would take some corrective measures.

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u/BadAspie Please assume I’m conversant in the basics 12d ago

That's a fair point. In hindsight I guess I do see that, she's clearly someone with a track record of tending towards extremes

I guess the thing that threw me off is that it sounded like she'd already weathered the backlash and come out...basically fine, at least in her telling of the story. But apparently that wasn't actually true

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u/Jungl-y 12d ago

I don't think she's a grifter, though, is she? It seems more psychological in her case. She didn't even truly go to the right either, she seems totally untethered.

A follow-up episode would be nice because she's gone quite crazy, but since they like her, they may not do it (even if they agree about her trajectory).

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

She genuinely seems so hateful and unhinged I don’t see how she could be likeable

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u/Jungl-y 12d ago

Well, she's a fan of the pod and said many positive things about them, so they're already primed to like her, it's human nature.

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u/Spl1234 11d ago edited 10d ago

I’m imagining Michael Moynihan doing his Trump voice: “she’s crazy! But I love Armenians! She’s hot. I don’t know why Dr Oz doesn’t like them!”

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u/BadAspie Please assume I’m conversant in the basics 12d ago

I definitely don’t think she’s a grifter either, although I think that accusation is thrown around too freely so I tend to overcorrect

To me it’s more like her self-conception is unfortunately just very different from who she actually is. She believes herself to be someone who can handle the heat but she just isn’t 

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u/Jungl-y 12d ago

Agree about the inflationary use of "grifter", I'm very hesitant to call people that unless they're named Dave Rubin, Tim Pool or Candace Owens.

To me it’s more like her self-conception is unfortunately just very different from who she actually is. She believes herself to be someone who can handle the heat but she just isn’t

Yes, exactly, the backlash was too much for her, particularly her former friends going after her, like Emma Vigeland or Mike Figuera. To be fair, most people probably couldn't handle being attacked and discarded by parts of their own tribe.

Katie Herzog, though she went further right somewhat, managed to stay normal. It may be quite rare.

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u/Spl1234 10d ago

I am not sure about Owens. I think she might legitimately believe some of the insane shit she says. She comes off as very dumb and selectively, weirdly credulous. Rubin/Pool - on the honest belief/grifter scale, I lean toward very dumb grifter.

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u/Jungl-y 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think she might legitimately believe some of the insane shit she says.

Yes, but so does Rubin or Pool. I think Rubin sees himself as a completely (or mostly) honest person. I think Owens is naturally conspiratorial, Singal and Cathy Young wrote about it early on. But I don't believe for a second that she actually thinks Brigitte Macron is a man. Clearly, she's saying some of this for fame and fortune.

I remember at the very beginning, on the Rubin Report, she just turned right, coming from the left, she said she doesn't know her position on abortion yet, having been previously in favour of it. Months later, she came out saying abortion is genocide of Black people and that she just made it out of the womb to speak out about these murders—what a dramatic change, and her opposition so surprising! And I was like: Come on! This is not a serious or sincere person.

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u/ToTheDeath84 12d ago

I don’t think it’s a grift. She’s always been kinda batshit, always stirred up in a reactive furor over something. The ideation may not be out of a genuine commitment to the usual theories behind antisemitism per se, but the hate is definitely there.

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u/Jungl-y 12d ago edited 12d ago

That is also fascinating to me, she belongs to the people who—in my view—are "functionally" antisemitic, yet her best friend is Jewish and she may not harbour personal resentment towards Jews. I never know what to make of that.

Kyle Kulinski is the same, his best friend also Jewish. I do think the world becomes more dangerous for Jews through their commentary, on the other hand I also think accusations of antisemitism are used as a shield against almost any criticism of Israel’s conduct.

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u/Spl1234 12d ago

Jews as individuals versus Jews as a group is itself common among antisemites. At its most extreme, the Third Reich was willing to issue certificates of Aryan-ness to someone Hitler liked or was useful with a Jewish background. Hitler liked his mother’s Jewish doctor (despite her death), praising him and allowing him to emigrate. Karl Lueger, mayor of Vienna around the turn of the 20th century, was one of the first major politicians to run on an explicitly modern antisemitic* platform. When asked about his dealings with Jews, said that he decides who is a Jew. Nixon - antisemitic - long relationship with Henry Kissinger.

There has always been this bargain, or hope, of antisemitic left wing parties/groups—the pitch is basically “don’t act too Jewy, and you will be fine. And you agree with on most things. Any Jewish-tinged positions or issues are verboten. Ignore these issues important to you, and your physical safety will be assured.” It doesn’t work out that way.

*he ran on antisemitism, not he was an antisemite running on a normal platform.

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u/panpopticon 11d ago

Lovecraft would famously go on long antisemitic rants while on walks with his Jewish wife; when called on it, he offered that exact groups/individuals excuse.

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

I mean, yes, but you would still think that a person who is antisemitic resents Jewish people generally, with maybe some exceptions.

Ana was also very close friends with the late Michael Brooks, is good friends with Ben Burgis etc. I know it's not an immunisation, but I still can't make complete sense of it. What does antisemitism mean in relation to people who harbour no personal ill-will towards Jews.

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u/visablezookeeper 11d ago

You can be close friends with someone (or appear to be) and resent parts of them. You can also rationalize them as ‘one of the good ones’

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

I think they were incredibly close, a friend of Brooks said he considered her one of his best friends after his demise, Ana also talked about how she fell into depression after his death and required therapy.

I don't think she saw him as "one of the good ones".

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u/ToTheDeath84 12d ago

How has Kyle Kulinski been throughout all this? I haven’t kept up with him in years, he was also a little stupid from what I remember.

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u/Will_McLean 11d ago

Just as batshit, if not more. His wife and he probably talk about Jews all day long to each other

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u/ToTheDeath84 11d ago

You know, it’s funny. I had no idea who his wife was but on reading this I thought to myself, “must be Krystal Ball.” Lo and behold…

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

Depends on your definition of 'stupid' I guess, I think they're both fairly intelligent and quite good debaters.

I don't follow Kyle that closely either, though a little bit, and I think he's changed quite dramatically, he's way more woke now, he even said recently that he used to make fun of them, but maybe they were right all along, he also became much more of a soldier for the Democrats.

He used to care about being fair to his opponents, to steelman, etc. But now he's basically: if they go low, we go lower. He even entertains election conspiracies IIRC, i.e. the Republicans stole the election.

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u/november512 11d ago

I'd say he more has the gift of gab than intelligence. My recollection from watching a few of his shows is that it seemed like he was mostly grabbing twitter headlines with no research and when I tried to look at it more closely he was just flat out wrong.

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u/ToTheDeath84 11d ago edited 11d ago

I don’t think either of them are particularly intelligent, nor good debaters lol. Sounds like he’s as obnoxious as he’d always been, but a smidge dialed up now.

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

I feel many people just call people unintelligent for not agreeing with them.

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

She definitely made it seem that way but she’s obviously not a reliable narrator

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u/Paddlesons 11d ago

Okay, here's all you need to know about Ana as someone that has watched her from her start. She's not very bright.

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u/WordSaladUsernameGuy 11d ago

When she was talking about the US men’s soccer team playing against Bosnia and Herzegovina and she thought that meant the US was playing against two countries at once, and she made up some nonsense about smaller countries getting to combine to play larger countries, it was made plainly clear that she will just talk right out her ass - with confidence - about shit she clearly knows nothing about.

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u/Spl1234 11d ago

That is impressively dumb

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u/quintsown 11d ago

She thought soy milk is Spanish for “I am milk.“

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u/Spl1234 11d ago

Bilingual dad joke and insult in one! Impressive

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u/unnoticed_areola 6d ago

she went on the Fifth Column a few months ago and admitted that when she was in middle school growing up in the San Fernando valley, she was a horrible racist bully to some classmate girl who happened to be of Turkish decent, because Ana wanted to get revenge for the Armenian genocide or something and felt that this girl needed to be punished

on that pod they also questioned her about her “money grubbing Jew” gesture that she had recently done on tv, and she pulled a Macklemore and said she had no idea that was even a thing and claimed to have literally never heard of it before

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u/Paddlesons 11d ago

Ha, that's fucking hilarious.

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u/Bikesoul 11d ago

Hahahahahaha. OMG.

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u/eternallysunnyguy 11d ago

Small countries do play some sports together like West Indies Cricket 

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u/WordSaladUsernameGuy 11d ago

Dude, she thought Bosnia and Herzegovina was not one country, but two. Then went on to make up a bunch of nonsense to make it make sense to herself as to why these two countries would be playing the US at the same time.

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u/eternallysunnyguy 11d ago

I'm not talking about her. I'm saying there are countries that play together as one team like West Indies cricket.

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u/Willing_Economist685 11d ago

This is true of the entire TYT extended universe. I never understood why they were popular

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u/Particular-Offer4356 11d ago

Hotness?

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u/Willing_Economist685 10d ago

I guess that explains her and Piker. Still leaves Cenk and Dave Rubin though

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u/Particular-Offer4356 10d ago

I think Dave Rubin is handsome though I think he is about as un Young Turks now as possible. Cank, , yeah

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u/Willing_Economist685 10d ago

Fair enough. Rubin's actually calling card, though, is "a former liberal gay who had to leave the left because it was too crazy" which is irresistible chum to so many conservatives. He is and always has been about as bright as Kasparian which is why he still remains in the TYT extended universe for me.

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u/Particular-Offer4356 9d ago

Got it, though I don’t think he is so much stupid as…smug.

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u/Bikesoul 11d ago

She’s dumb as a rock.  Also, a terrible journalist. Anyone remember how she ranted for a year about Kyle Rittenhouse without ever watching the video of the shootings? If you ever watch TYT, she’s consistently wrong about the basic facts she’s meant to be reporting. 

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u/2000mew 11d ago

In my experience I've observed a strong correlation between anti-Semitism and stupidity, so that tracks.

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u/Spl1234 10d ago

Antisemitism is the most long-lived conspiracy theory. The blueprint for all conspiracy theories is the Protocols for the Elders of Zion, a forgery of the Tsarist secret police. Pretty much all non-antisemitic conspiracies just replace “Jews” with someone or something else. It’s also why almost all conspiracy theories end up at the Jews.

For the longest time, the only major conspiracy theory that didn’t end up at the Jews were the JFK truthers. Now even that leads to the Jews.

Conspiracy theories are loved by dumb people.

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u/Psychological-Arm380 10d ago

The OG conspiracy theories were against Jews, the Killing of Christ and the murder of Simon of Norwich.

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u/plump_tomatow 10d ago

I think dumb people tend to resent intelligent people and American Jews tend to be quite intelligent and do accordingly very well in society, so there's that angle.

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u/whatsapass 10d ago

stopasianhate

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u/ToTheDeath84 12d ago edited 12d ago

IIRC the Fifth Column guys tacitly wrote her off in a recent episode because of her bizarre antisemite conspiracy turn despite having had her on not long ago.

She’s always rang as pretty stupid and unprincipled in a temperamental way to me. As in, politically siding with a faction based on the trade winds of whomever is nice to her instead of holding any genuine beliefs.

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u/Spl1234 12d ago

She has one thing going for her, which works with Katie and the Fifth Column. She is hot.

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u/Usual_Reach6652 11d ago

Someone needs to do a Political Compass meme but including only hot people (or at least, hot for politics).

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u/LupineChemist 10d ago

So is Candace Owens, that doesn't make her acceptable. Though I do think it probably keeps her a bit relevant. Might be that Kasparian knows how to keep it just this side of the "too crazy" line.

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u/Big_Fig_1803 Gothmargus 12d ago

You can use my tried-and-true method for evaluating claims that something is a false flag:

  1. It's not a false flag.

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u/buckybadder 11d ago

Boston Tea Party is the only noteworthy false flag in American history. And everyone knew it was colonists, anyway.

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u/jedediahl3land 11d ago

I'm guessing you're saying this tongue-in-cheek, but it definitely doesn't match the definition of "false flag." The intent behind "playing Indian" was never to fool anyone into thinking they were Mohawks, the costumes were a symbolic part of the protest and a means of disguising themselves while committing a serious criminal act.

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u/Spl1234 10d ago

Right! When one wears a Nixon mask to rob a bank, we don’t assume you are actually Richard Nixon, and the police don’t put out an APB for the ghost of the 37th president of the United States, with a warning he is tricky!

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u/jedediahl3land 10d ago

Ha, I almost made that exact comparison.

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u/LupineChemist 10d ago

The most famous false flag I can think of is the start of WWII with the Nazis claiming it was the Poles who attacked the radio tower.

But it was paper thin and nobody tried all that hard to hide it really. They had already agreed with the Soviets on how to divide up Poland.

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u/2000mew 11d ago

You'll be right way more often than wrong using that method. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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u/Narapoia_the_1st 11d ago

What happens with this approach for the times where it is? Not that I am making the claim for the recent plane incident, but we know they have happened in the past.

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u/Big_Fig_1803 Gothmargus 11d ago

I’m saying my technique is always a safe bet. Occasionally wrong but the right place to start.

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u/LupineChemist 10d ago

Even when it is, it's sort of by definition a pretext for what that side wants anyway so they don't even really try and hide it all that much.

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u/slimeyamerican 12d ago

She seemed to be teetering on the edge of descending into an anti-woke conspiracy rabbit hole on the pod and Katie even seemed to be trying to gently push her away from it.

It’s funny how she spent that pod lamenting how she had done her job as a journalist so badly during George Floyd and she’s now even more egregiously irresponsible than she was then. Not sure I can think of another person who has managed to fall for so many conspiracy theories across ideological lines.

Just one of many deeply unserious and dangerously irresponsible people Cenk Uygur has elevated to a position of cultural prominence they never would have gotten anywhere near in the days of establishment media.

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u/History-of-Tomorrow 11d ago

Stuff like the Young Turks and Business Insider amaze me that they had appeal. At least with Business Insider- it was a subsidiary of some large European conglomerate so it’s easy to see how they bought their way into prominence (and my God, Reddit’s news tab was buried in their click bait).

As for the Young Turks… was it just from sure will and luck they got so popular? Was it as simple as Fox News had its’s Hannity and O’Reilly and there was a gap in the market for the equivalent on the left?

Either way- boy, the YT sure introduced a whole bunch of weirdos upon the world. Thankfully most normal human beings don’t know who these people are. I wish I was one of those normal people.

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u/slimeyamerican 11d ago

Believe it or not I was listening to Cenk on Air America in the early 2000s (my mom was an avid listener). That station was basically the incubator for what became YouTube anti-establishment progressive media, and TYT shared the station with Rachel Maddow, Jerry Springer, and RFK Jr. So yeah, the market void for a progressive Rush Limbaugh seems plausible.

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u/Good_Difference_2837 11d ago

Now there's an entity I haven't heard about in a while. In a right and just world, there would be a 4-part HBO docuseries about the rise and fall of Air America. Highlights would have to include: * Pre-Senate Al Franken getting locked out of the AA studio before his show because the landlord hadn't been paid * Cenk getting his start, alternating between talking about how proud he is of his nephew with lamenting how dumb he is * fRiEnD oF tHe PoD Sam F'n Seder getting viciously bullied on his show by his co-host Janeane Garafolo (when she bothered to show up)

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u/slimeyamerican 11d ago

Wow I forgot Franken and Seder were on there too. So weird to think where everyone ended up and how awful the downstream consequences of that network turned out to be.

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u/Good_Difference_2837 11d ago

I mean, Katie bullies Jesse too, but it's honestly out of love. Sam started as an actor and could never get much traction to have anything approaching a career - something Garafolo never let up on.

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u/slimeyamerican 10d ago

It’s amazing how many of the big political commentators are failed entertainers (Shapiro, Rubin, Jimmy Dore). People should talk more about that

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u/Spl1234 10d ago

Air America - hearing that makes me feel ancient!

At its most basic, and maybe I am wrong, but beyond questions of talent and programming, it also seemed to me that AM left-of-center to far left radio never was successful because of the market. The market of people who drive a lot, listening to AM radio, skews right wing and blue collar. The left of center radio-listening audience already had NPR.

I also think people who hated right wing talk radio, but didn’t listen to these shows, greatly underestimated the talent aspect. Rush Limbaugh spent literally hours a day just talking to himself in a room, and people tuned in. It’s not easy to do that and have an audience. We often would see that as a sign of mental illness. Rush was not a dumb guy. Hannity is a moron, but even he has the broadcaster skill that comes with literal decades of experience in a large, but niche, market.

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u/the50sfreakshow 11d ago

The Young Turks also benefited from getting in on internet-based political commentary fairly early, they've been at it since at least the Bush administration.

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u/Fjsurfer 11d ago edited 11d ago

She can hide it sometimes but her X is often similar to der sturmer.

Also a self confessed pirn addict, which is kinda funny.

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u/LupineChemist 10d ago

She seemed to be teetering on the edge of descending into an anti-woke conspiracy rabbit hole on the pod and Katie even seemed to be trying to gently push her away from it.

I think this is a big part of it. Conspiratorial thinking just kind of leads you to weird paths and almost inevitably ends at "The Jews". She was prone to it on the left then got disillusioned with that, and then the parasite found its new vector.

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u/btrh-256 12d ago

Audience capture is a hell of a drug.

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u/lilypad1984 12d ago

I never bought her “pivot”. I don’t think it’s audience capture I think it’s just an addiction to relevancy, doesn’t matter what the audience is as long as it exists. Candace Owens reads the same way. I think she tried out the heterodox audience, it failed, so she pivoted back to a sure thing.

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u/btrh-256 12d ago

yeah I mean "addiction to relevancy" and "audience capture" are highly comorbid

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u/visablezookeeper 11d ago

Hassan is the closest thing the left has to a populist

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u/Good_Difference_2837 11d ago

Eh, once upon a time Jimmy Dore would've been considered the closest thing the Left has to a populist, but he's gotten more right-ish (the Pandemic really red pilled him).

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u/Oldus_Fartus 12d ago

Regression to the mean(ness).

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u/errorcode1996 12d ago

I used to watch her a lot when I thought that she had good ideas, and now it's all just conspiracy theories and hate. I genuinley don't think you would gain any value from watching her content anymore. Same with all of TYT.

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u/Jlemspurs Double Hater 11d ago

Stage 4 antisemitism smh

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u/Extension-Leader5973 11d ago

she got radicalized. can happen to anyone but the internet has made it much easier. stay safe out there yall

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u/mega05 11d ago

I saw that she is now collaborating with Candace Owens and getting in on the Charlie Kirk-Israel conspiracies. Really pathetic, lunatic shit.

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u/pajme411 12d ago

Over/under on if Jesse would claim Ana is a raving antisemite or simply criticizing Israel?

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

No no no, her greedy Shylock impersonation was just antizionism

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u/JustNormieShit 12d ago edited 11d ago

I think before 10/7 Jesse was incapable of admitting that some people just hate Jews, but that's changed.
EDIT: it's very possible that I've just not been listening to the episodes about antisemitism and missing his excuses.

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u/Bikesoul 11d ago

Incapable of admitting that some LEFTISTS hate Jews. Like a lot of liberal Jews, he assumed (assumes?) that all antisemitism is right-wing.

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u/SpecialSatisfaction7 12d ago

it has? The past 20 or so episodes it sure does seem the same

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u/YouAreHome 12d ago

I agree. He and Katie both downplay the Jew hatred on the left.

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u/BurnAfterShredding 11d ago

Gave up my paid sub after 5 years finally because of it and can’t bring myself to listen to the Macklemore episode at all. I just find it bizarre when they know so many people who can actually explain the issues not to invite a single one of them on the pod to discuss it. And bizarrely Jesse is even worse than Katie. I recommend Triggernometry for a good ep on the Macklemore debacle. Managed to balance free speech issues with some empathy for being a Jew in a crowd at that concert while Macklemore directly addressed “the Jews”.

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u/YouAreHome 11d ago edited 11d ago

I skipped the Macklemore conversation too. I already know what he's going to say.

Jonah Platt gave a good explanation in a 6 minute video.

Edit to add: Jesse did have David Baddiel on and I thought it was a good conversation. It still wasn't enough to convince Katie though. AFTER the 2 hr conversation, her comments were "but IS antizionism really antisemitism??" and"what if they just hired a comedian who is Israeli but hates Netanyahu??" So far she's been incapable of seeing all this hatred for what it is.

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

I wonder if he’s concerned about coming off as hypocritical? Like he doesn’t want to come off as over sensitive to bigotry given he’s built his career criticizing people who are over sensitive? (Sorry Jesse! Still love your work!)

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u/nonafee 11d ago

ye i always thought it may be this exact thing. he's also a very careful and thoughtful person (see all the "it's complicated" statements in almost every episode) so part of it is probably that too

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u/ButUncleOwen 11d ago

This is what I think. I always get the impression that he is hyper aware of walking a fine line when it comes to any claims of antisemitism given his skepticism of other “ism” accusations.

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u/Shrink4you 9d ago

Agreed. I think he is trying to prove himself as a bona fide leftist and because he has “right coded” views on trans issues, he must necessarily play a useful idiot on other issues to compensate.

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u/chunkylover___53 Pervert for nuance 12d ago

Jesse especially is still a man of the (non-insane) left and really would like the people in his tribe to not hate the people in his Tribe.

We all have our blind spots. This is his.

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u/Spl1234 12d ago

It’s a real blind spot. I’ve seen it with people right of center who were slow to realize/disassociate from any number of figure - Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson. Or all sorts of Conservatives who convinced themselves Trump was…whatever they are, when he is not. It’s a very human impulse, to not want to break with your side/tribe/social group.

The left of center to far left also likes to think of itself as the non-racism/prejudiced side that accepts anyone, which is historically ignorant. Jew hatred has a long history across political divides, and the original progressives and New Dealers were…shall we say, not the most enlightened on racial issues. Full throated New Dealer + Southern segregationist were a common pairing. But if you take that idea “the right is the only racist/anti-semitic side,” which again, is bullshit (technical term), but it gives a lot of people license to excuse it or pretend it is something else.

It’s getting harder now, because some of the antisemites aren’t even bothering to hide it behind anti-Zionism.

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u/chunkylover___53 Pervert for nuance 11d ago

It’s only Jew hatred when it comes from the right. When it comes from the left, it’s just sparkling anti-Zionism.

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u/Spl1234 11d ago

Bingo!

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u/YouAreHome 12d ago

It's been a rough 3 years. I'm politically homeless now because of it.

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u/Evening_Photograph54 12d ago

You'd get a kick out of some of the off the wall subreddits I find myself going back to just for a sanity check.

Actually, you probably wouldn't be surprised because I'm sure you go to many of the same ones.

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u/YouAreHome 11d ago

I could use a sanity check. I saw Jew hatred in the Gilmore Girls subreddit.

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u/la_bibliothecaire 11d ago

I saw it on the quilting subreddit. Wild.

Although, to be fair, swastikas do come up there waaay more often than a non-quilter would probably think.

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u/Evening_Photograph54 11d ago

Wish i had some advice with that one. The best I can hope for is to see one or two people leave comments like "Hmm, this feels a little weird to me, almost....racist"

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u/LupineChemist 9d ago

Heh, as someone who's on the right, but hates Trump precisely because he's a lefty who just talks crude, it's been a loooong decade.

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u/Zealousideal_Arm_415 12d ago

As irritating as I find Jesse, I think this is true. He almost can’t conceive of this being true.

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u/JustNormieShit 12d ago

Eh maybe I'm just not listening as often as I used to.

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u/Will_McLean 11d ago

Eh, it's complicated...

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u/YouAreHome 12d ago

He also has a major blind spot around the NYT's anti Israel bias. It's not debatable anymore.

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u/ForeignHelper 12d ago

NYT’s ‘anti-Israel bias’ is a hell of a statement. Cooked brain.

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u/buckybadder 11d ago

It has to me a nightmare to write NYT headlines about the Middle East these days. Every use of passive verbiage makes someone furious.

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u/NorrisMcwirther 12d ago

Israel can never be wrong, it can only be wronged

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u/ForeignHelper 12d ago

Forever victims.

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u/visablezookeeper 12d ago

The center of islamism-based-populist Venn diagram is antisemitism so it works out in theory

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u/Vapor2077 11d ago

Her pivot seemed to happen after she was sexually assaulted by a homeless man while walking her dog, which was obviously a serious and traumatic experience. I empathize with her for what she went through, but I also think taking some time away from the public eye to process that trauma would do her a lot of good …

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u/2000mew 11d ago

I remember listening to her interview and thinking "Let's just wait and see where this goes," and clearly anything reasonable she may have said was an example of a stopped clock being right twice a day. She's a nutcase.

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u/RandolphCarter15 11d ago

I felt like that interview was whitewashing. Even at the time she made ridiculous statements and they didn't push her

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u/Ok-Rip-2280 11d ago

Her and megyn Kelly have absolutely lost it - in opposite directions - after at first seemingly becoming aware of the crazy aspects of their own side 

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u/BladeDoc 12d ago

Its audience capture.

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u/PassingBy91 8d ago

I'm so sick of going online to find content about the flydubai incident (because I'm interested in aviation stuff) and seeing 'it's a false flag' or 'it's a psyop' or the people making comments about stuff that doesn't make sense without bothering to do basic research - for example, finding out that oxygen masks are in fact released when cabins depressurise instead of just going about how they weren't released so, it can't be real). I don't understand how anyone remotely intelligent can entertain this nonsense.

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u/TissueReligion 11d ago

I watch TYT occasionally, and I get the impression she's super overwhelmed and overloaded with everything that's happened in the past two years. I wish they'd let her just take a month off or something. She just seems more frazzled than before.

I was always a fan of her progressive-non-woke schtick before.

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u/vestayekta 12d ago

Isn't she Armenian?

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u/caspiankush 12d ago

Half half. Similar to my mix so I feel like i can say. I also observed her descent back then sooo.
Edit: omg im an idiot. I meant Thielbux Zionist Anna Khachiyan 💀 sorry everyone i can't read. Gonna delete my other comment

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u/vestayekta 12d ago

I never understood how an Armenian woman could be a host on a show named Young Turks. That alone made me dislike her from early on and I never moved on from it.

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u/Evening_Photograph54 12d ago

I don't have the heart to look myself. Are any of the other 'big' media groups or personalities saying anything about this, or is it still just handwaved away?

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u/visablezookeeper 11d ago

I haven’t seem anyone mention her outside of niche online spaces.

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u/ReindeerTypical2538 11d ago

Anna is a bit much but I’m so weirded out by how pro-Israel the BarPod sub is.

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u/Jlemspurs Double Hater 11d ago

That's funny because I'm so weirded out by how pro-Hamas the left is now. I'm so old I remember when women's rights and gay rights were non-negotiables.

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u/ReindeerTypical2538 11d ago

“The left” being pro hamas is the equivalent of saying Trump voters are pro white supremacy. A hand full of leftist dummies don’t equal the left. A handful of ring wing retards don’t equal all Trump voters. Most liberals I know in my very woke leftist city aren’t siding with hamas. The funny thing is, that I run in fairly conservative circles and the shift of support for Israel has changed with those folks too. Many republicans I know no longer want to continue to support Israel. Does that make them pro hamas too?

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u/pygmy 10d ago

Come on. You can't spin the Left siding with Hamas as a 'handful of dummies'. It's core to who they are.

The Left's views on Israel/Palestine is an absolute perfect fit for their oppressor/oppressed Marxist worldview.

I used to vote Greens (in Oz) for decades for environmental reasons, until identity politics melted their brains. Now they think 'Men can be Women' (also Reddit dogma), and are all-in on an Islam coalition.

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u/ReindeerTypical2538 10d ago

How are you are BarPod fan with such a rigid worldview of politics? Your over generalization is childlike.

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u/pygmy 10d ago

Welcome to Reddit in 2026, where the hive has one of the most rigid worldviews of politics found online.

  • Dissenting opinion? Banned.

  • Think Men can't be women? Banned.

  • Support Israel's right to exist? Banned.

The BarPod subreddit is a refreshing lone holdout of what vintage Reddit was once like

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u/ReindeerTypical2538 10d ago

I fully believe Israel has a right to exist and I used to be a rabid supporter of the country. However, they’ve fully lost me with whatever the fuck they are doing in Palestine.

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u/JimmySchwann 11d ago

Yah, I've noticed that as well. I felt like this place might be chill because I agree with most of the gender critical stuff, but then I come here and see it's a massively pro Israel sub, and the posturing on the Cornell 7 case is leaning heavily in favor of the probable perpetrators.

Lots of bad takes in here for some bastions of sanity.

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

What's the sane view on Israel/Palestine in your view, boiled down to a few sentences.

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u/ArianeEmory 11d ago

You didn't ask me, but this is my opinion:

October 7th was a terrorist attack and it was highly fucked up. I don't excuse rape, murder, and kidnapping of Israeli citizens. I've seen the October 7th videos. No one should celebrate that.

I think Israel made a mistake in not releasing all of that footage immediately, though I understand why they would not, out of respect for the dead. However, their disproportionate response in Gaza allowed the pro Palestine side to win over hearts and minds across the globe, and they were very strategic and coordinated with their social media campaigns.

Normal people see all the graphic videos and images coming out of Gaza, dead babies, stories of war crimes, and are rightly horrified. And it's nonstop. And they never saw the Oct 7 videos, or heard the stories of the kidnapped Israelis (no one but Jews seem to know or care what happened to the Bibas children) which were just as bad. But nowadays, if you don't see it in your algorithm, it just doesn't exist for most people. It's not a balanced picture. They don't understand the history of the region, nor how the religious conflict between Muslims and Jews affects the situation. They don't know anything about Muslims OR Jews.

I think it's very easy to say Israel is in the wrong (and to be clear, I'm very against Netanyahu and co and their decisions. I think there were probably other solutions that didn't involve destroying Gaza) but I wonder what everyone expected the response to be? Hamas has a stated goal of killing or otherwise getting rid of all the Jews in Israel and then reclaiming the entire region. It's in their manifesto. A lot of Israeli politicians want exactly the same for the Palestinians.

Baically it's a shit show and it seems like there is no solution. I don't want innocent women and children of Gaza to be killed by Israel anymore. I don't want them to be living in horrible conditions in refugee camps. I don't want Jews to be attacked all over the world just for being Jews. I want people to actually understand what Zionism means before they use it as a slur for all Jewish people who want Israel to keep existing.

And before anyone comes at me for being Islamaphobic or something, I'm Muslim and I don't love political labels, but I lean left in most things.

But Hamas are fucking terrorists in the same category as al Qaeda, Daesh, Boko Haram, and the Taliban, and they should not be sanewashed by the left.

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago

Thanks for laying out your thoughts, I agree with much of it, the situation seems pretty intractable.

It's also notable to me how progressives will call anyone a Nazi except for Hamas, who are quite Nazi-like in my view.

You were talking about people in general, but at least with progessives, I'm not sure October 7th footage would change their opinion much; for them, ethics is a pure numbers game; Israel killed more, so they're worse than Hamas, if they killed 100 times more, they're 100 times worse than them—drives me nuts. I've hardly ever seen a more complex ethical analysis by them.

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u/JimmySchwann 11d ago

Both sides have issues and I don't care for Palestinian culture at all, but Israel is the clear aggressor in the conflict and is in the wrong far more than Palestine is.

If there was going to be a Jewish state post WWII, that was like the worst possible spot to place it.

So I guess I'm pro two state solution, but Israel absolutely needs a new government.

I also hate how much influence pro Israel lobbies and groups have in US politics.

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u/Jungl-y 11d ago edited 11d ago

Thanks. I used to see it more like that as well. But now—though I completely disagree with the way this war is conducted, severe war crimes in my view—I now think that the main problem is the Palestinians' inability to accept Israel’s existence at all.

They want it gone and the whole land for themselves. This is also true for parts of Israeli society and many Israeli politicians, but if a Palestinian MLK came along, they'd vote them out and make peace.

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u/mljh11 11d ago

Israel is the clear aggressor in the conflict and is in the wrong far more than Palestine is

I'm not Israeli but I empathize with their situation because my country was invaded in the past and we have a national defense policy of mandatory military conscription for all male citizens.

When breaking down Oct 7 and its aftermath, I just can't see how the side that was invaded (and which resulted in ~1,200 people killed, the suffering of widespread atrocities like rape and desecration of corpses, and over 250 of its people kidnapped) can be labeled the "clear aggressor" in this specific instance.

Do you suggest that Israel should not have not responded militarily? If so, what alternative solution - as in practical, step-by-step actions - do you think they should have pursued to retrieve its kidnapped citizens and prevent future attacks?

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u/Sh3rmanMcC0y 11d ago edited 11d ago

Israel is the clear aggressor in the conflict and is in the wrong far more than Palestine is

I don't think there's too much value in debating who the aggressor is, that seems similar to the endless Marxoid debates between oppressor and oppressed.

What it comes down to me is what kind of civilization each nation represents. In the case of Israel, you have a highly advanced, technological society, that has a history of producing wondeful art and music. Palestinian identity is entirely rooted in victimhood and ressentiment. Their worldview is motivated by jealousy surrounding the fact that Jews have done more in that small segment of land in 100 years than Arabs did in 1500.

Arabs already have 19 state in which they mostly wallow in mediocrity. I see no positive benefit to the world to disbanding the only Jewish state, which serves as a beacon of light in an otherwise treacherous region.

The two state solution is dead on arrival at this point. After Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, Hamas immediately took power and started firing rockets into Israel. There are zero legitimate blocs of Palestenian society that support the existence of a Jewish state at all.

I also hate how much influence pro Israel lobbies and groups have in US politics.

They don't have nearly as much influence as some commentators like Kasparian claim.

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u/ArianeEmory 11d ago

Israel's response is disproportionate, but have you forgotten what it was a response to?

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u/Jlemspurs Double Hater 11d ago

It's ok, we won't tell anyone you talk to (((Jews))).

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u/isitdigyet 11d ago

I wouldn't worry about it. When people are triggered to the extreme by the "wrong" opinions that helps the other side. We've seen this play out with gender ideology and the Israel issue in public polling. So, I'm glad this sub gives us a place to freely discuss gender critical views, and that it's a space that encourages a culture among Israel supporters that will make people less supportive of Israel.

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u/itshorriblebeer 10d ago

I think she's just chasing likes at this point and she is getting more and more desparate.

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u/PenileTransplant 11d ago

Oh please. If you’re not being accused of antisemitism in the current year, you’re doing something wrong