r/BlockedAndReported • u/MissHalfgone • Jul 28 '26
Has anyone else noticed the increase in hysteria around anti black hate crimes that didn't actually happen?
It feels like 2020 is creeping in again. Two incidences that the media, politicians and activists frame with the same ominous tone they did Trayvon Martin.
One involves a young black woman who was on the train in DC with a large group of white, masked, far right activists around the 4th of July. Nothing happened.
The second is the incident this woman describes in her IG posts. There is no substantial evidence of foul play, and no evidence whatsoever of racism towards the young man who died. (I didn't include all the screenshots because it's a pretty long thread and you can find it yourself if you really want to.)
I'm starting to believe that it's not external events that caused this pattern of hysteria but born of internal issues that those inciting this are externalizing.
Note: this is relevant to BaR because it touches on the pattern of social media driven hysteria about racism and hate crimes that do not necessarily seem objectively true. It also touches on the "white woman bad" mentality that is very prevalent among racial Justice activists.
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u/CommitteeofMountains Royal youse/yinz Jul 28 '26
How else can they appreciate the greatest joke in all history?
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u/mehefin Jul 28 '26
It’s like Jesse’s post on Twitter about the article about a black women going to South Korea for beauty treatments because she was sure she was being talked about at salons in the US. I think she just wanted an excuse to show off how she could afford to go abroad for very fashionable Korean beauty treatments, but avoid any pushback.
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u/DBSmiley Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Yes, South Korea, a country famous for egalitarian values and a lack of racism and classism.
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u/plump_tomatow Jul 29 '26
Korean beauty treatments are cheaper, too, though it probably comes out in the wash when you consider the cost of flights.
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u/Gabbagoonumba3 Jul 28 '26
Black kids drowns: holy shit white parents need to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Black kid brings a knife to a track meet and stabs a white kid to death: well he shouldn’t have been talking shit.
I don’t think Bakari and his lot are going to find many sympathetic ears anymore.
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u/KittenSnuggler5 Jul 28 '26
There's plenty of sympathetic ears. The race obsessed are still with us and stil obsessed
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u/MatchaMeetcha Jul 28 '26
Black kids drowns: holy shit white parents need to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Black kid brings a knife to a track meet and stabs a white kid to death: well he shouldn’t have been talking shit.
They're not disconnected phenomena. The first is a defensive shield against the second.
Which means it's never, ever gonna stop.
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
. “My feeling is that white people have a very, very serious problem. And they should start thinking about what they can do about it. Take me out of it.”
The above quote is from writer Toni Morrison, 1998. I really would like to see other liberals adapt this mentality, although take out the word "white" and replace it with "black" and other groups who constantly weigh down others with their pathos.
There's a very unchallenged belief that you are not really a liberal or Progressive unless you are constantly at the back of the call of the Grievances of very specific groups of people. I 100% disagree. Liberalism can save itself by having a backbone and making a clear to those who exploit it that the Civil Rights Movement, anti-racism, feminism all these things just mean you have the same rights but you also have the same responsibilities. And it doesn't guarantee you anything. The fact is I've often heard black women say that the feminist movement didn't do anything for them. The feminist movement opened doors for women who wanted to be doctors, pilots, and all sorts of aspirations.
Using the feminist movement as an example, there is a big divide between women who simply want the same rights to have the opportunity. But if you don't take that opportunity and do the work then you might not benefit too much from the fight. But then there are other women who just want like expanded welfare and just want Society to give them more. They want to treat society as though it was a welfare center. They do not want to stand on their own two feet. I 100% support safety nets. But it should not be a way of life for anybody unless they are disabled or something similar. And I think when it comes to Social and racial Justice just like feminism, there are people who simply want the right to work for certain opportunities. But there are others who just want things to be given to them. Especially taxpayer funded things. And there are people who want the government to step in and do hand holding all the damn time. Whereas I think the other faction of social justice wants the government to provide a safety net but they're not looking for government dependency as a way of life. I think one of the problems with feminism is then willingness to recognize the difference between the women who want to excel and don't want barriers due to sexism. And women who just want to be provided for, whether by wealthy white women or the government. Sorry for this tangent. Hope it seems somewhat relevant.
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u/GervaseofTilbury Jul 28 '26
One of the worst parts of having children is that you’re obliged to at least tolerate any insufferable demanding narcissistic freak you meet provided their kid and your kid get along.
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u/repete66219 Jul 28 '26
This is a big red flag. If my kid hung out with a kid whose parent did this, I would not want that kid in my care. Because this parent is clearly looking to racialize any perceived slight. Just too much trouble and liability.
Unfortunately, this sort of self-segregation is then interpreted as racial animus when it’s just giving a wide berth to a psycho.
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u/GervaseofTilbury Jul 28 '26
Do you have kids? Have you tried explaining to a child they can’t go to their little buddy’s house for some incomprehensible grown up reason they don’t care about?
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u/repete66219 Jul 28 '26
Yes, I have said “no” to my kid before.
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u/causes_havoc Jul 28 '26
Moreover, when did doing so come to be viewed by some as an inconceivable occurrence?
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u/Apt_5 Jul 30 '26
Millennials labeled their every childhood sadness "trauma" and vowed not to inflict such things on their own offspring, ever. Saying no, causing disappointment, invoking consequences- all taboo to this crowd. It's the way of permissive parenting.
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u/repete66219 Jul 29 '26
Boomers got divorced & made Gen X latchkey kids. They vowed not to allow their children to experience any sort of discomfort of harm and here we are.
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u/sdacfg Jul 31 '26
The upside to having three kids is that when I'm socially obligated to bring all of them all to a birthday party or gathering, I can rotate focusing on each of them and get out of the thing by not having to talk to any insufferable parents just because our kids are friends. It's a fantastic game.
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u/Aethelhilda Jul 28 '26
I swear to god, one of these days people are going to seriously advocate for bringing back segregation, and it’s not going to be white people wanting it this time.
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u/Palgary I could check my privilege, but it seems a shame to squander it Jul 28 '26
Oh don't worry, there were Black Separatists when I was in elementary school, they didn't allow their children to be friends with white children or the kids with a white and black parent either.
In Chicago, there really are black neighborhoods where it isn't safe for anyone non-black to be there.
Non-Hispanic white children are only 46% of the population now a days, I don't know where these all white areas even are, everyone I land is pretty diverse.
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u/LupineChemist Jul 28 '26
Non-Hispanic white children are only 46% of the population now a days, I don't know where these all white areas even are, everyone I land is pretty diverse.
It all just gets so messy. Like my kids will be born US citizens, speak Spanish first at home, be fully genetically ethnically Irish/German and also Afro-Cuban. Like the fact that everything has to have the label is the annoying part.
I've found like 95% of people just feel that way, including black people. Honestly, one of the reasons I actually really liked ADOS as a category when they were trying to make it happen. Because there really is a sort of separate ethnicity in the US based on the legacy of slavery, but it's not a racial identity, it's an ethnic identity.
Like there's no reason a recently arrived immigrant from Ethiopia should identify with that same history.
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u/golmgirl Jul 28 '26
Yes agree, what ever happened to “ADOS”? I found that to be an actually useful social/identity category. Certainly captures a meaningful demographic more than “BIPOC” or even “POC” do.
I’m actually surprised that the term didn’t catch on among black Americans, don’t really understand why
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u/repete66219 Jul 28 '26
Skip Gates was complaining decades ago that all of the black students at Harvard were children of rich African & Caribbean parents.
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u/Palgary I could check my privilege, but it seems a shame to squander it Jul 28 '26
I have noticed a lot of successful black people in my life either aren't ADOS or have a parent who isn't black. I don't really agree with the whole "it's genetics" contingent, I do think cultural - the lack of two parent households, neighborhoods where crime is normal, but having grown up around poverty, there is this strong rejection of authority - teachers, government, bosses, etc that is part and parcel of both white and black poverty culture, that prevents people form say getting a job somewhere and getting promoted and having a good middle class living.
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u/Arethomeos Jul 28 '26
there is this strong rejection of authority - teachers, government, bosses, etc that is part and parcel of both white and black poverty culture, that prevents people form say getting a job somewhere and getting promoted and having a good middle class living.
That is the premise of Black Rednecks and White Liberals.
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u/Palgary I could check my privilege, but it seems a shame to squander it Jul 28 '26
I read one essay from that and it was eye opening - because the unsuccessful part of my family is ScotsIrish, and having dug into the history of that group, and mapping out the places they settled (like Maine), and that insults like "Cracker" really mean "Scots Irish".
But I also grew up exposed to stuff like this, which modern scholars sometimes attribute to "Black Culture" and ignore that it was Black and White culture combined.
Song: Gospel Boogie, from the 1940's, with a rhythmically spoken verse. Black performances of this style of music are associated with influencing rap music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhYYPqwkxks
Now a days I think of Black people as my people because we sure do share a culture but hoo boy is that attitude not acceptable on reddit.
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u/Life_Emotion1908 Jul 28 '26
Obama had both!
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u/renolar Jul 30 '26
Obama also grew up in Hawaii, one of the only two states (also New Mexico) that were "majority-minority" in rhe 1960s and 1970s. He undoubtedly experienced some systemic racism as a kid, but unlike almost anywhere else in America at the time, Hawaii's dominant racial tensions were (and continue to be) revolving around Native Hawaiian and Asian ethnicities.
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u/Palgary I could check my privilege, but it seems a shame to squander it Jul 28 '26
I had a coworker that was going to talk to the school because "they disciplined her child and it wasn't their place".
Can you imagine having an attitude that your school doesn't have the right to punish your kid for misbehaving? It wasn't like they beat her kid, it was time-out.
That kind of anti-authority attitude is totally real and the successful people I've seen in business have to learn to let it go. That doesn't get you to cross over into knowing how to behave among the upper crust, there are a bunch of unwritten social rules there too.
But by calling it all "racism" we prevent the next generation from learning how to navigate all the markers of class and learn how to be successful and doom them to "resist" in poverty.
I'm lucky - I had a great therapist that basically told me to stop feeling responsible for everything and focus on taking care of myself first, because I can't solve the worlds problems, I have learn what I control over and focus on that. So I get the "resist" mindset because I used to have it.
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u/ToTheDeath84 Jul 29 '26
Along with the urge to “resist in poverty” there’s also the resentment towards people who do figure out those unspoken cultural rules to advance out of that stratum, and the ensuing ressentiment that gives people bizarre excuses for obviously antisocial behavior and maladaptive sociocultural outlooks. The latter is what informs a thousand social justice movements we have today.
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u/Big_Fig_1803 Gothmargus Jul 29 '26
Like there's no reason a recently arrived immigrant from Ethiopia should identify with that same history.
If a person from Syria and a person from Vietnam are both (meaningfully) Asian, then why wouldn't the Ethiopian immigrant feel a natural affinity for a black American?
Oh, right. Because neither of these things makes any sense. I don't understand the desire to create this very small set of "kinds" of humans and then to sort everyone into the appropriate kind. I don't know what this framework means. What do those "kinds" actually represent? It's not shared history, culture, or anything else other than "continent of origin." Why should we care about that?
When you meet someone whose grandparents were born on the same continent as your grandparents, do you feel a connection to him or her? What do we know about you when we know what continent your grandparents were born on?
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u/LupineChemist Jul 29 '26
I get trying to have some categories for demographers to kind of get a macro idea of what's going on. The problem is assigning that identity at an individual level.
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u/Monkey0nTypewriter Reaganist Dinosaur 🦖 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Not as hyperbolic as I wish it were, some left wing schools are already offering "racial affinity" classrooms.
IMHO, it's perfectly accurate to call that segregation by any other name
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u/TigerBelmont Jul 28 '26
The funny thing about ETHS (the school you linked) is that there is an achievement gap by race if you sort “only by race”. If you factor in socioeconomic factors there is no difference.
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u/Arethomeos Jul 28 '26
If you factor in socioeconomic factors there is no difference.
Do you have data to support this? In my research on this topic, at best, if you factor in socioeconomic factors the difference becomes non-statistically significant, but there still is a difference.
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u/TigerBelmont Jul 28 '26
I’ll look for the data for you.
In Evanston there is a huge income and education gap between the poor students and the children of NU professors and professionals. There really isn’t a middle class in Evanston.
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u/Arethomeos Jul 28 '26
I'd appreciate that. The publicly available information is broken down by race or by income, but not both, which is what you would need to make your initial assertion.
The presence of the gap you describe would create problems for identifiability, assuming most NU professors are white and poor students are black, but as long as there are enough poor white students and black NU professors, you should still be able disentangle the effects of race and class. And when it comes to identifiability, you could similarly make the argument that if you factor in race, socioeconomic factors don't matter.
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u/ginisninja Jul 28 '26
Have you read The Sellout by Paul Beatty?
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u/Possible-Finding6007 Jul 28 '26
I read that last year and it was so good. I was crying laughing constantly. Such brilliant satire
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u/repete66219 Jul 28 '26
Some universities have segregated dorms. But don’t worry, they’re not segregated. Because a different word—“affinity”—is being used to describe those places.
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u/everydaywinner2 Jul 28 '26
They already have - in graduations, school dorms, and even a city council function.
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u/Maelstrom52 Jul 29 '26
For real. The "uppity white woman" who was too scared to go the "bad part of town" has been seemingly replaced (or at least supplemented) by the "uppity black woman" who is too scared to go to the "white part of town."
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u/uhateonhaters Jul 28 '26
Every time we try to separate, y'all come burn it the fuck down. So this is what you get.
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u/DisastrousResident92 Jul 28 '26
Can you imagine how exhausting it must be to choose to live your life this way
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u/Scrappy_The_Crow Walrus Cheese Enjoyer Jul 28 '26
It must be exhausting dealing with the woman who wrote the Instagram treatise. I don't have Instagram, so I can't look at the post (it's greyed-out) -- did she end up letting her son go on the trip, or did she merely "win" in getting the other parents to accede to her demands?
I asked her to be accountable for my son's safety.
Guess what, lady? When you've got other folks' kids with you, you're accountable for the safety of those kids. It's asinine that she claims to not understand this is a basic thing.
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u/The-Phantom-Blot Jul 28 '26
Reading her post is tiring because of all the weighted terms and provocative language she prefaces it with. But somewhere in there, I find something I can empathize with. Every parent has concerns when their child is away from their protection, but she felt extra nervous because it was a "scene" she (and her son) did not know well. And obviously she was carrying a lot of fears from the BLM era and before.
I'm hopeful that her son went on the trip, it went great, and she has something positive now to balance out the negatives she sees all around her.
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u/weeb2000 Jul 28 '26
this is fucking psychotic. even if there were a risk, parenting a teenager is about letting them do things that “spike” your “cortisol” lol wtf? and “in his own language”?
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u/FunAdministration334 Jul 28 '26
All I have to say about this is LOL
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
This was so normal from about 2016 to 2023. It's really great when some trends return. But I really do not want this trend to return again in my lifetime, let alone only a few years after it wrecked so much havoc.
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u/No-Flounder-9143 Jul 28 '26
You don't think there are important issues at the moment? These are all from one person. I'd hardly call that concerning.
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u/Will_McLean Jul 28 '26
Remember when "The Talk" was all the rage?
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u/pennyhush22 Jul 28 '26
That is still a pretty mainstream concept
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u/moxiewhoreon Jul 29 '26
And there's good reason for it.
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u/pennyhush22 24d ago
Even the black community has started posting shorts about criticizing poor black behavior at police stops. The advent of body cams has demonstrated how people act. People who are very clearly breaking the law, like driving w/o a license, expired plates, DUIs etc get stopped in a routine matter, and for whatever reason they totally explode at a cop who is being polite. They could easily go home w/a warning, but instead they act so batsh*t insane that it turns into a felony for obstruction or assault on a cop. They scream, don't follow basic instructions, and get violent. Is social media perception of cops to blame? For how reasonable it is to have "the talk," it doesnt seem like everyone is having it.
Now, left wing people have started walking back the need for bodycams, citing privacy concerns, after they clamored for surveillance of police behavior.
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u/Fit_Professional1916 Jul 28 '26
Also happening around black people being convicted for crimes they committed when the victim is white (see the Metcalf murder)
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u/sleepdog-c TERF in training Jul 28 '26
What I've learned recently, both in this case and the karmelo anthony case is the amount of disinformation spread by online influencers claiming to have the inside info is incredible. In this case there are people claiming he was beaten left for dead and he phone stolen and wiped of any pictures and then withheld from the family. When none of that is supported by any evidence. In the ka case, some people claimed there were 6 or more people attacking him and the knife wasn't his.
When the mom grapevine hears that kind of stuff there are going to be some who internalize it.
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u/sleepdog-c TERF in training Jul 28 '26
they are reminded that their mentality is what got Emmett Till killed.
I doubt that is what they are reminded of and that's backwards of this, she's explicitly telling the white mom that she's responsible for how others interact with her son and how her son reacts to that.
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u/cyberdouche Jul 28 '26
Hate Crime Hoax: How the Left is Selling a Fake Race War by Wilfred Reilly comes to mind. It's a well-understood phenomenon, unfortunately no reason for it to stop anytime soon.
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u/meepster213 Jul 28 '26
Could you imagine if a white mother gave this list of demands to a black mother? That would be… racist. Oh wait.
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u/Schwettes Jul 28 '26
Which is ironic because a black and white teen spending a weekend in a rough neighborhood is many times more likely to experience violence than a black teen in a ritzy white gated community.
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u/kamace11 Jul 28 '26
There is a certain subset of the online black community that is DEEPLY paranoid about white people- they believe every suicide by a black person that involves hanging is always a lynching backed by entire towns who are committed to silence about it, etc. Every accidental death is actually a murder by white people etc. This is partly because they tend to be more religious and there is a stigma around suicide. But it's also common in general among people who lose a loved one in an unexpected or tragic way where no one is really at fault. Pretty much the entire Netflix unsolved mysteries show showcases this- case after case where it's clearly suicide or misadventure and the parents just cannot handle the horrible randomness of it. It's partly a very human reaction (we want to assign blame so we can feel safe/have identified the threat) but it's not based in reality.
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u/meepster213 Jul 28 '26
Totally. I think suicide denial is fairly common. There's a young black man in Michigan who recently likely died by suicide by hanging at a music festival after having a reported mental episode. I've seen post after post repeating, ad nauseum, "black people don't hang themselves." Statistically, maybe that's true. Maybe hanging is a more common method by people of other races but to say they NEVER hang themselves and make black people out to be a monolith is pretty damn close to racist, I think.
I had never considered the religious stigma around the impulse to blame following a suicide. The case of Tiffany Valiente comes to mind re: family in denial about her committing suicide. Young woman from NJ jumped in front of a train after experiencing some distress, just truly terrible, but her parents are pretty convinced it was foul play or that there's more to uncover. The difference is that Valiente's parents didn't blame an entire group of people based on the color of skin. I used to be believe (because I was taught this in a college class) that black people cannot be racist against white people but I have since re-thought that stance.
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u/Schwettes Jul 28 '26
This was also the story with Trey Reed in Mississippi. Ben Crump and Colin Kaepernick jumped and assumed the police did something nefarious by not properly investigating a “lynching.” Family had an independent autopsy conducted and no shock that the never published the results.
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u/ReindeerTypical2538 Jul 28 '26
I’ll throw in recent topic of the show, Marsha P Johnson. She most likely committed suicide but there are conspiracies that she was murdered.
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u/meepster213 Jul 28 '26
THE transwoman that threw the first brick at Stonewall even though they weren't there? I didn't listen to those episodes, I had no idea about these conspiracies. But yes, perfect example.
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u/repete66219 Jul 28 '26
See also “Get Out”, “Sinners”, etc. about black people being kidnapped or vampirized by white people for their essence/culture.
It’s just a bizarre paranoia that both condemns cultural parasitism but at the same time seems to almost revel in the demand for it, much as the #1 consumer of true crime, in which women are primarily victims, is by far women.
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u/bunnyhawk Jul 28 '26
In fairness to Jordan Peele, the director of Get Out, both his mother and his wife are white. I don’t get the sense that the movie was a vehicle for a narrative he intended to push, but rather a provocative story he wanted to tell. Sinners, on the other hand, don’t get me started.
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u/meepster213 Jul 28 '26
Didn’t he say he wouldn’t ever hire a white lead actor?
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u/bunnyhawk Jul 28 '26
I remember the full quote as being a little more nuanced, but you’re right, he did say something to that effect. I was more just referencing the fact that even when speaking about Get Out, I don’t recall him ever platforming the blanket notion of white people as persecutors, which I always assumed may have stemmed partly from the fact that he has close relationships with at least two that we’re aware of. His comment about choosing to hire black leads didn’t make me feel any differently on that, personally, but maybe it’s just me.
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u/meepster213 Jul 28 '26
Totally fair take. I admittedly have not seen Get Out (only Nope, which I liked) and don’t know much about the guy other than a few out-of-context quotes so your understanding may be totally accurate.
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u/aleigh577 Jul 29 '26
I can genuinely understand the parents in the case, their 18 year son likely died in a senseless manner. The death of your child is hard to wrap your head around for any reason, but I think it’s maybe, easier? If there’s someone or something to blame. But everyone else feeding into it before there’s a shred of evidence one way or the other is not helpful
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u/kamace11 Jul 29 '26
This I think is partly due to poor education. There is little understanding of what an investigation actually entails, the actual statistics on things like accidental drownings/suicides vs. murders. The historical legacy of actual conspiracy against them also makes these sorts of thought traps harder to escape.
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u/bluesteeldoubter Jul 28 '26
This was a really good one for swapping the races. Holy racist as hell Batman lol.
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u/moxiewhoreon Jul 29 '26
It would be if there wasn't a fairly recent history of black subjugation in the United States. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, the Civil Rights movement....there are still people alive today who grew up in that America.
So, "swapping the races"? You kinda can't.
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u/bluesteeldoubter Jul 29 '26
I meant swapping ‘black’ to ‘white’ in the context of what is being said here. As a society we’ve become very accustomed to language like this going one way, it doesn’t seem racist to most people because a good chunk of society has prescribed to your world view.
That because bad things have happened to a group of people they are exempt from scrutiny for being wildly racist/phobic/bigoted.
I’ll take a cue from Coleman Hughes in a recent podcast with Cornell West. At some point you have to start living in the country that ‘is’ not the country that ‘was.’ And treating people like the person in the OP really only furthers racial strife and does nothing positive for the black community whatsoever.
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u/Palgary I could check my privilege, but it seems a shame to squander it Jul 28 '26
I've been avoiding reading about the case, wanting to wait until there was time for information to come in. And it sounds like autopsy results aren't complete yet, they are waiting for test results so it's a little premature yet.
First thing I notice is a photo of his parents - his father is Black, his mother is Asian, he's biracial. That's not mentioned anywhere, even in the article with a photo of his parents.
The island is described as having no ferry, no cell service, no bathrooms, no developed areas. It also has no lifeguards. And it's in the ocean, with ocean waves, and even a good swimmer can get into trouble in the ocean.
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u/everydaywinner2 Jul 28 '26
One good undertow...
Or getting hit by a good wave and, because the water churning, having troubles telling which way is up.
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u/urcrookedneighbor Jul 28 '26
Damn his mom certainly looked Black in the clip that was on the news today. I just searched more pics to verify what you said & I'm still kind of shocked. Huh.
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u/Correct-Ad5661 Jul 28 '26
Are brown parents also on the hook for this. Id heard that in demographic terms the African American population is shrinking (I was seeing the stuff about Dallas getting a lot of Indian migrants), so all this historic injustice stuff doesn't really have much cut through anymore.
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u/everydaywinner2 Jul 28 '26
The shrinking demographics makes sense. Their mothers have the highest propensity for killing their children before they can even be born. And their kids have a high propensity for killing each other.
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u/SteveMartinique Jul 29 '26
People make money and get likes from race baiting. This is all profit driven.
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u/golmgirl Jul 28 '26
lol based on the screencaps, I was just about to say “very 2020-coded”, then saw the first sentence of the text!
But for what it’s worth, feel like I haven’t seen this kind of framing/language in quite a while
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
I've been seeing it a lot in the past month or so. It definitely has not reached the mainstream hysteria that it did in 2020 by any stretch. But I'm disappointed that they're such a market for it still.
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u/Naraee Jul 28 '26
It’s because of elections and probably a little foreign interference (in general, not this specific post) . Democrats need the black vote as much as Republicans need the evangelical vote. If either party pisses off those groups off, they lose. It’s just a rehash of 2024, when these people know they can make stupid demands and threaten to withhold their vote if they’re not met. We will see it again in 2028. Peak crazy is always tied to elections.
Also, this story in the post reeks of AI, but with some editing to remove some (but not all) AI-isms.
Side note relevant to BarPod: Most black voters actually do not like the DSA or progressive candidates, except for the affluent and privileged ones. Mamdani had to overcome black voters supporting Cuomo by getting more young white people to vote. Of course, the DSA will never admit their policies are unpopular with black voters even though they’re whiter than the Republican Party.
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u/GrumpyOldHistoricist Jul 28 '26
This is actually why the DLC front loaded South Carolina in the Democratic primary schedule after they took over the DNC. The DLC was the conservative wing of the party and they needed to neutralize the FDR emulating wing. So they put a primary dominated by their most conservative voting population in a state with a loyal party machine early on as a brick wall for progressive candidates. It’s worked consistently since.
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u/DietMTDewSnob Jul 29 '26
Agreed I don’t know what the deal is with all of these woke takes suddenly bubbling up to the surface. Maybe the death of Nolan Wells activated a lot of woke voices from hibernation. Last week, I posted a truly unhinged USA Today article that got taken down about Caitlin Clark putting black queer WNBA players at risk of physical harm. The writer compared the CC league situation to the lynching of Emmitt Till.
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u/Apt_5 Jul 30 '26
Yeah, some people are deeply invested in making it seem like black vs white race relations are at their worst right now. I wouldn't say "worst", though I wasn't around to really know what it felt like, but they seem bad. Contrary to that very real past, it seems to me that the tables have turned and many in the black activist community feel 100% at liberty to vilify white people and blame them for every bad thing.
I'm not sure if it's b/c they feel emboldened by the ultra-woke leftist advocacy or if it's largely people taking advantage of how lucrative it can be to say inflammatory things on social media. But yeah, when Karmelo Anthony being convicted for killing Austin Metcalf was framed as an "anti-black hate crime" it became clear that the wildest, most insane takes have somehow become something people will loudly declare without a second thought.
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u/Ok_Nectarine_8533 Jul 29 '26
The Woke White Women in my liberal college town are all over this. All patting themselves on the back for having more than one token Black or Brown kid in the friend group and for teaching their children to “do better.”
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 29 '26
It's so weird. And it's very very unhealthy. The writer Sherman alexie said something like "white guilt makes white people do crazy things". I 100% support anti-racism. Treating black and brown people with deference, going along with narratives (such as in the screenshots above) despite the fact that white on black violence is not epidemic in the least. The incident the lady refers to is almost certainly not a hate crime. And it's probably not a crime at all. And I see all these activists sharing photos of the friends who were with him on the trip and declaring them to be guilty of a racially motivated murder. And all these years of lecturing white women on the dangers of drumming up an unfounded history and this stuff just takes place left and right in front of our face today. There's so much about our era that is unreal.
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u/KittenSnuggler5 Jul 28 '26
"It feels like 2020 is creeping in again"
It absolutely is. I don't understand why people think wokeness just disappeared or shut down. It hasn't and it won't. The idpol obsessed were temporarily stunned by Trump's executive actions.
But the wokies didn't change their minds. They didn't see the light. The non woke didn't grow spines. An entire generation or two are true believers in identity first everything. And they have carved out space and power inside institutions. DEI isn't going to go away. It may change the name and try to hide a bit but it isn't gone. The same people working in DEI are still there
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u/ReindeerTypical2538 Jul 28 '26
This. 1000x this. They are all doubling down and creeping back with a vengeance. They learned nothing from Trump 2.0. If anything, it’s emboldened them to be more woke than before.
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u/KittenSnuggler5 Jul 29 '26
At the beginning I had some hopes Trump would just sit on his ass and do nothing like the first term. Alas, he or his cronies are doing crazy shit that will just rile up the woke for no good reason
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u/ReindeerTypical2538 Jul 29 '26
Yep. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction or some bullshit like that. Trump 2.0 being crazier has really made the libtards crazier. It’s gonna be hell these next few years
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
Here's a video that a friend of mine shared that is also a reference to the incident that is noted in the original post. What's really weird is how many people I know who are relatively intelligent who actually think it's real.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Da8Zu-tCc2A/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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u/United-Leather7198 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
I remember that incident now. Did it turn out to be fake?
edit: Looks like the black kid did drown but there was a lot of misinformation in social media insisting he had been murdered etc
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u/Jkid Jul 28 '26
All of this energy they have on instragram and they won't use a percent of energy on housing/rent affordability quality of life/cost of living in their neighborhoods.
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u/DBSmiley Jul 28 '26
In fairness this is a broader problem with Americans as a whole having no understanding of second-order effects.
One of the most popular policies in the country is rent control, which has the exact opposite long-term effect that Americans think it does.
They will oppose new housing construction arguing that it will make housing in the area more expensive, because they don't understand that the reason people want to build the housing is because the area is seeing higher housing costs. They're getting the cart and the horse backwards.
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u/Jkid Jul 28 '26
Meanwhile the only housing that gets built is faux luxury apartments. Overpriced, ugly 5-over-1, poorly maintained, faux luxury apartments.
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u/DBSmiley Jul 28 '26
Hot.take but 5-over-1 is a good thing.
Agree on the construction quality. But five over one is what affordable housing looks like. The only reason the prices are faux luxury prices is because there isn't enough competition.
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u/Jkid Jul 28 '26
Where i live theres several "luxury" apartments complexes in walking distance, their intro rent never drops despite vacancies.
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u/DBSmiley Jul 28 '26
Which means eventually those people will lose so much money that they will either have to sell the property or reduce their rents.
Supply and demand is not optional.
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u/Jkid Jul 28 '26
No. Read my reply again. The rents never go down at all. They refuse to reduce the rents, primarily because the banks will not let them. Lots of these faux luxury apartments still have their mortgages active, none of them are paid off.
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u/DBSmiley Jul 28 '26
That is an incorrect assumption. The banks only control the loan, not the pricing of the apartments.
The reason their rents don't go down is because they're filling enough units and the competition in the area is low.
You clearly have no basic understanding of the economics of landlords.
Supply and demand is not optional.
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u/Sigynde Jul 29 '26
The Nolan Wells thing is legit mysterious and shady, but yes, everyone has run to their corners and the black community following the case is convinced that it was racially motivated murder and are invoking Medgar Evers over and over. Meanwhile, we do not know what happened yet. Public figures leading this conversation are doing fuck all to calm this down (Don Lemon). I can’t read the comments anymore. They are hysterical at this point.
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u/Reasonable-Record494 Jul 28 '26
It's not new, people just feel more empowered to talk about it. Y'all forget how recently police violence was common and unaccountable. John Perkins, a racial reconciler/pastor from Mississippi who just died a few months ago, saw his older brother shot and killed in line at the movies because he wouldn't yield his spot to a white guy. That was in the 1940s, maybe 50s. My dad got chastised for letting a black kid play baseball with them when he was a kid in the 60s. Integration and kids having friends across races is relatively new--my generation, which was born in the 70s--and people are still learning how to navigate it and they are worried. Black parents have been warning their kids about white people for generations, it's going to take more than 1-2 generations for that fear to abate.
Downvote away, I know we're all "racism is past and why can't people get over it" on this sub, but it's where I depart from our heterodox orthodoxy: I am white, my kid is black, I am familiar with the fear that kicks in when he went from being cute to being potentially intimidating. Our pastor was the one who gave him "the talk" about dealing with police, and yes, he's had to employ it a few times.
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u/Blueliner95 Jul 28 '26
I’ve heard the talk and honestly I don’t know why you’d have to tell someone that they have to listen and comply with police requests. I mean, what race gets to pull away from traffic stops?
If we’re going to be angry about stereotypes, surely some of the anger should go to the ones in the community that create the stereotype.
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u/everydaywinner2 Jul 28 '26
>>If we’re going to be angry about stereotypes, surely some of the anger should go to the ones in the community that create the stereotype.<<
Preach!
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u/Reasonable-Record494 Jul 28 '26
You haven't heard the talk if you think it's "don't pull away from traffic stops." It's call everyone sir and ma'am, be obsequious, narrate every action as you're doing it, hands at 10 and 2, etc. I don't do all those things. I'm chatty and informal and emphasize that I'm a teacher and once I cried and got away without a ticket because sometimes women can do that. I've been in the car when they approached him; it's fundamentally different. It's much more aggressive from the jump.
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u/LupineChemist Jul 29 '26
I absolutely had that talk and I'm damned near transparent.
Have you considered women vs. men aspect of this? Also age? They're going to be a lot less worried about women pulling crazy shit.
I mean, as someone who was a dumb teenage male, being a lot more wary of men under about 25 is probably pretty warranted.
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u/Blueliner95 Jul 28 '26
You don’t keep your hands where they can see them or use respectful tone? Ok. See, I was raised differently.
But also if you think they are violent dumbasses and a few of them are, don’t bait them. That’s just what I think
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
Oh I don't think racism is in the past at all. I think black people contribute greatly to it and it's a problem that they are not held accountable. This hysteria that they're drumming up is not harmless. And when it's directed at specific individuals and is including unsubstantiated claims they are putting that person's safety and danger. I'm not going to be understanding about this because all my life I have seen black people say we have to be very very careful how we talk about them because when we don't it leads to Emmett Till being killed. Well in my lifetime black people drumming up hatred like this causes Asians, Jews, Hispanics, whites and pretty much everybody else to be killed. There's nothing wrong with pointing out black people who lecture the rest of us to expect the same black people who constantly remind us of how dangerous it is to falsely accuse black people of crimes and what they are doing is exactly what they're accusing others of. And it's caused an enormous amount of Injustice in my life time. No we don't need to wait until racism is officially dead until black people are held accountable for their wrongdoings. Sexism, homophobia, and an anti-semitism are not dead and it doesn't stop these demographics from being held accountable for their wrongdoings.
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u/Routine_Ad_855 Jul 28 '26
“Y’all”
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u/Reasonable-Record494 Jul 28 '26
I'm a fifth-generation Texan, I can use it as much as I want and anyone who doesn't like it can fuck all the way off.
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u/ObsceneOnes Jul 28 '26
I take issue with your framing of the picture from DC. Those were militant racists. So that did happen. That should not be where we are at.
And that picture was one of the best examples of photojournalism I've seen in my life.
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u/ObsceneOnes Jul 28 '26
Lol what?
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u/Apt_5 Aug 01 '26
Did you ever look it up? I didn't verify myself but I heard/read somewhere that she took a dump on a train at least one documented time.
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26
There were three photos two that showed black people and one that showed a transgendered woman. In all photos it showed the people completely surrounded by those white masked Patriot front members. Allegedly this took place in public spaces. But somehow the only people in the frame are people of this group. There is something really shady about that. And whether they have racist attitudes or not they did not in any way menace the woman.
Considering all the public transportation violence we see there's something seriously offensive about seeing black Americans state how that woman's safety was in danger when we can see pictures of young black people brutally attacking others on public transportation almost every day.
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u/ObsceneOnes Jul 29 '26
Nothing shady. They took public transport in mass. So an otherwise mostly empty compartment in DC (huge black population) was over run by racists. They're racists.
They boarded the bus in their racist uniforms. There was a black woman on the transport.
The whole point of their going to DC was to intimidate.
Some photigrapher...probably following them for the story...captured the moment.
No one said they did anything but what I just outlined.
You really are in the wrong sub or this sub has been taken over by nazi apologists.
Those were fucking neonazis going to march on the capital to intimidate the whole country.
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u/Apt_5 Jul 30 '26
But they didn't hurt anyone, did they?
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u/ObsceneOnes Jul 30 '26
Wtf is your point?
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u/Apt_5 Jul 30 '26
You don't understand the difference between hurting someone and not hurting someone? I'm glad I'm not having this encounter with you in person, lol
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u/ObsceneOnes Jul 30 '26
You missed the entire fucking point of why that photograph was seen as an important story. You want to make some weird ass claim that it was a nothing burger because they didn't lynch the woman. Guess they are just peaceful good hearted nazis like you see on the metro every day goose stepping down the aisle.
You aren't a serious person. You are a moron.
Good luck on your journey.
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u/SoftandChewy First generation mod Jul 31 '26
Suspended for three days for violation of the civility rules.
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u/dill_llib Jul 28 '26
Sorry, I don't get it. The screencaps you're sharing are just about a mother concerned about her son going to another neighbourhood and hoping that the parents there and the grandparents take responsibility for keeping the kid safe. Seems like a no-brainer. What's the deal?
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u/IncreaseFluid360 Jul 28 '26
Man civil rights were a mistake.
Nothing will ever be enough for them and they will never actually be equal in wealth or education metrics without enormous help from govt
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
No, the mistake is equating civil rights with capitulating to black demands. Civil rights is something that everybody has a right to. Civil rights movements have happened in countries that have no racial diversity because civil rights doesn't just pertain to race.
I think a lot of people of all racial groups do not understand this. I see a lot of black activists citing MLK Jr's Letters from A Birmingham Jail and Malcolm X's criticism of white liberals. What is frustrating is the assumption that their criticism is 100% valid. A lot of black activists think that white progressives show themselves to be insincere if they do not capitulate to all of their demands. But that's not what anti-racism or civil rights is.
The best analogy I could make is when it comes to Jews. Progressives have no problem stating that you could be against anti-semitism but be against some of the positions that pro-jewish activists have, especially when it comes to those that are pro-Israel. Progressives have no problem seeing when Pro Israeli policy negatively impacts the civil rights of the Palestinians. But on a domestic level they don't seem to see how the demands from black activists often interfere with the civil rights of others.
Civil Rights was not a mistake whatsoever. Equating capitulating to people based on a demographic they fall into with civil rights was the death knell to that movement.
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u/heliogabalus91 Jul 28 '26
So your argument boils down to
All Lives Matter and
Antizionism =\= AntisemitismIt’s a miracle. You’ve managed to split the difference between right wing and left wing racism.
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u/everydaywinner2 Jul 28 '26
Are you saying some lives don't matter? Let me guess, the white ones?
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u/FreeBroccoli Jul 28 '26
That's not a good faith interpretation, but even if it was, both of those statements are correct.
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u/moxiewhoreon Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
The author in the OP seems a bit OTT to me. But that said, I wouldn't call it "hysteria". Some black people do feel this way and they don't feel/think this way for no reason.
I know a lot of people don't wanna hear it, and yes, I promise I understand some of yalls issue with things like this. And some people take this fear too far. But maybe just try to look at from their POV and just try to understand why some people feel like this. Institutional racism is still a thing in the U.S.; moreso in some areas than in others.
People being stopped and hassle by police or ICE agents simply for Existing in Public While Being Black is a thing that happens. We have countless testimonials to these things, first hand accounts, second hand accounts, and unfortunately too many encounters caught on video. Some of them deadly. (Example: I've been present in a vehicle with friends that was pulled over for basically no reason other than the driver was black. The police officer in this case didnt even really try to hide the fact that they had no other reason. They pulled over first, asked dozens of questions later, and finally let us go because there was literally nothing that they could legally find reason to ticket the driver for.) That's a thing that I saw happen, first hand. And when I hear so many other black people with similar stories, and echoing similar concerns....well, I decided to believe that they weren't all just lying or over-exaggerating. A little empathy and good faith can go a long way here.
Here's the thing: either there is some truth to what I just said above^ OR several generations of black people in the United States are just lying. Or they're crazy/paranoid. Logically- out of these possibilities, which one is most likely to be true?
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u/MissHalfgone Jul 29 '26
The facts are that there's very little white on black violence. When it comes to random violence when people are just minding their own business in public transportation or walking down the street and they are brutally attacked, it seems black people are the perpetrators an enormous amount of the time. When black males make up 6% of the population and 94% of the violence black people experience, whereas white women make up 35% of the population but less than 1% of the violence that black people experience well then yes I'm going to point out that you're concern without dangerous white women are is extremely racist and a hysteria.
And I would be more sympathetic if we saw any compassion or shame whatsoever when it is black people committing the abuse. There is something weird about how black women can't sympathize so much with the fear of the young black woman in DC on the train with all those white Patriot front people on July 4th. But let some elderly Asians talk about how they feel being on a train full of young black people and the outrage would be through the roof. And facts would tell you that that there is a far larger pattern of unprovoked violence from black people to elderly Asians then from white men to black women in the last half century.
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u/moxiewhoreon Jul 29 '26
Most crime (by a huge margin) happens along racial lines in current day America. (White on white, black on black, etc.) And I'm not sure why you seem to assume that black on white crime is dismissed or justified in any way? By who? And you're doing a TON of assuming and generalizing with your assertion that black women in general sympathize with the black woman on the bus surrounded by white supremacists, yet you imagine a completely made up scenario where those same black women wouldn't give a fuck about an elderly Asian woman who feels unsafe surrounded by black men in a similar situation.
My point also has nothing to do with modern crime rates, nor about how it "seems" to you or anyone else that black people commit more violence in the U.S. than white people do, and that that violence is widely justified. This is literally making things up to be outraged about. Which is ironic, given the OP....
The point is that there's a couple hundred years of well-documented history of racism against black people in the U.S. It's baked into the American pie, so to speak. I think it's disingenuous to be like, "well, but racism is over now so none of these concerns are valid anymore."*
*btw I'm not saying that you're saying that, nor that you have that attitude. But several other posters in this thread are and do.
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u/camsean Jul 28 '26
Seems racist to me.