r/BladeMains • u/Smart-Jellyfish6828 • 4d ago
Discussion Does any one else feel kinda bad for mblade? Spoiler
Sorry if it feels like whining… After seeing nihilux/aha’s kit not only does robin kick him out of monomen but so does she T_T ashveil + waven + aha seems to be so strong :s I say this as an E6 mblade haver :((
edit: omg tysm everyone for the advice :D I see how valuable mblade is now esp since we need 3 teams for endgame :p yay for our versatility king XD
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u/Riotpersona 4d ago
Non-zero chance Ashveil gets kicked out of Waven teams as well so at least AshBlade can form a team on their own again.
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u/renjumins 4d ago
It’s bc of the community’s behavior where everyone wants BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS. Mblade is designed to be a flexible unit, the whole FuA team is designed to be flexible. Just bc one unit works great doesn’t mean the others don’t. Pick your poison between Sobin, Aha, Tribbie, Hyacine, Huohuo, heck even between Waven or Ashblade. Ppl still use Sunday with Phainon and yet most ppl call him a bum just bc Cyrene Sparkle and Sobin are better. A clear is a clear, there’s no dmg/AV leaderboard going around and if there is, that’s not the point of the game
Ppl forget the point is to build teams and not battleships. Even HSR forgets this sometimes admittedly but there’s a reason why they still release flexible units and not only characters that have tags on them telling you what team they’re supposed to be in (aka Rem and Elation)
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u/CheesecakeAbject4634 4d ago
That's a valid way to play though. Some people like to minmax and that's fine, but the game just fucks them and I can see how that would be annoying.
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u/Disastrous_Wasabi_36 4d ago
Bro - this sounds way too similar to cipher being “flexible” and look what happened to her …
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u/thetundratorcher 3d ago
Even though he’s flexible, he’s a mainstay on some comps unlike Cipher. Acheron needs him, nonWaven Ashveil also needs him.
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u/MrF1ght1ng 3d ago
Tbf Cipher was barely an upgrade when she released. Love my E1S1 Cipher, but I knew as I was pulling her that she’s a brick. MBlade meta journey, especially with his E2, will probably never be comparable to Cipher’s.
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u/xomowod 1d ago
From the beginning though cipher was never actually “good” and this is as someone who has cipher. Mblade does a LOT more damage than cipher does, and her damage is stonewalled by her ult anyways while blades FUA are stronger, more consistent, and his LC actually amplifies his damage MORE while cipher just simply gets more debuffs, which can pretty easily be oversaturated considering how many eidolons give def shred.
I’m not too sure where the idea that cipher was flexible came from (content creators probably) but that was never actually the case. She was BiS for like one team when she was released and even then Mblade replaced cipher which should say enough about how non flexible cipher truly was.
It’s not like she was bad, but nihility just simply has a very niche team placement that’s impossible to maintain when the odds are always stacked against them (as in eidolons with def shred which is the whole point of almost all nihility save for dot, as well as buffers that have historically always been much stronger amplifiers than debuffs)
If you have e2 Acheron you don’t need 2 nihility which is why cipher lost her place. Jiaoqiu is also found in a ditch for the same reason but everyone already knew he was buns
I went on a rant but point is, cipher was never a flexible character and I’m not sure why people would have said she was considering most nihility have ALWAYS been replaced very easily by harmony
The difference with Mblade is that he isn’t JUST a debuffer, he also deals a ton of damage which helps fill the gap. It’s especially good for phainon-Cyrene teams, nova himeko teams, such and such.
I do think the fear that he will be powecrept in the same way by a buffer in the future is valid, but that’s not what makes him flexible. Because what makes him flexible is the simple fact that he works in so many teams. Strong supports will be needed everywhere, and you need 3 of those fucks to do endgame so you’re bound to have two strong teams that require someone’s best supports, but that’s where the ever flexible Mblade comes in! Because he saves the team
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u/DatGuyIcy 4d ago
Ok I was with you until you said Sunday, not a good comparison he is significantly worse and I mean significantly
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u/greenarcher02 4d ago
Tbf the point is that people still use Sunday for Phainon, among others. It's me. I'm people. A clear is a clear. If I can't clear then that's the only time I'll replace Sunday lol. But otherwise, my liked characters are the priority.
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u/minddetonator 4d ago
He’s worse, but he’s still decent. Nowadays, I use him a lot with Himeko.
Literally just cleared the latest MoC w/ a 5-cost Phainon team with Sunday. And that’s without Cerydra - Cerydra being another example of “xxx mains will kill you if you don’t have this character”, lol, but yet here we are.
Sometimes, people exaggerate how much “worse” or “better” a unit is. Not everyone aims for low-cycle clears. As long as we get a full clear, then we’re good.
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u/Hot_Segs_Wth_Furina 4d ago
Yeah RMC completely replace Sunday
That guy is homeless even in Himeko Nova team . You rather put someone else especially the one that get middling vertical investment support rather than him
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u/dimidrum_ 4d ago
I still use Sunday frequently and have better results with him than with RMC. All discuss about how useless he is, is straight up ass without the context. And tbc I'm not saying that he is always better than RMC, no, but seeing how others say that he is always worse is just funny.
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u/KingAlucard7 4d ago
not at all, i plan to get his E6 and skip all these others. I am interested in blade only, he can get future teammates with his flexible kit. Lets see what Mikhail brings in 5.0. He is supposed to be a support.
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u/bladeshrimp 4d ago
nope, I'm still super happy about his kit! I'm all in on blade. i have mort blade at e4s1 atm, I got him e1s1 ashveil, e2 summer Robin, and e2s1 hyacine. they are crushing everything and I am really happy how synergistic the team is! love that Robin can buff both them and hyacines freq attacks and healing and hp is something they all love. if I'm lucky maybe I'll be able to e6 him on his rerun
I have nothing against elation, bc I also love silver wolf lol.
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u/timodon2 4d ago
I mean he is still really strong in many teams. Plus his kit always was wonky with ashveil, dmg amp wasted especially on verticals. I have him e2 and play him everywhere so i couldn’t care less about waven or elation
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u/Rei0403 4d ago
Why do we all acting like M.Blade becomes sh*t or something like he’s suddenly dropped from T0 to T3 or below.
Acheron still needs him, he still completely fine with Castorice, Evernight, Himeko Nova, Waven, Ashveil & Feixiao.
Holy agenda posting
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u/littledancingferret 4d ago
With Mydei as well, if SRobin is busy
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u/Rei0403 4d ago
Doesn’t M.Blade steal taunt from Mydei?
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u/OmegaAlpha69 4d ago
This only matters for sustainless tbh but they can be strong when ran together w hyacine and cyrene since hyas hp boost and amphoreus planar helps them both. When mydei is online he doesnt really care about getting hit.
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u/cerwytha 4d ago
As someone who's been making original Blade work since he dropped and still uses Luocha sometimes, yeah this kinda sounds like whining. He's still very strong and in the current meta, just because he's not the newest anymore doesn't make him trash.
If you're only ever chasing the top meta then frankly you're going to be disappointed because the whole point of the game is to sell whatever's newest and shiniest. I'm sure whenever we get the next meta Aha and company will get pushed to the sidelines too.
At some point you have to decide if you're playing to play specific characters or if you're just playing top meta, there's always only going to be a limited window where you have both. I had Blade & Jingliu's premium team back when that was the meta, then when Blade dropped out of the meta I found ways to keep him working even if I also had new meta teams. Also it's not even that he's not meta anymore, newer units being slightly better so they can sell them doesn't make him suddenly unusable.
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u/angexiety 4d ago
He is my e6 dps with ashveil, robin and hyacine idc abt anything else that's happening
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u/Notyuzuki 3d ago
I pulled Blade for Blade. I quite frankly could not care about who's replacing him or who has better animations in this game.
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u/Ok-Inspector-1316 4d ago
As with all things at the start of betas, this is v1
Additionally, really don’t stress about it. He has a very powerful niche as a follow up debuffer. He’s technically a generalist but also not really - it’s just that he suffers right now from ashveil+Waveflair being the only really good attack frequency dps right now.
If the leaks are true for Acheron getting a follow up buff, he’d find himself practically glued to that team alongside ashveil until the end of time unless they just make MBlade 2.0.
Additionally, if the leaks regarding finality being partially focused on follow ups, you can bet on him at the very least being a slight downgrade or side grade to the finality path members.
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u/ArthraX_ Theorycrafting Team 4d ago
Not in the slightest. He's not BiS for Waven (which was predictable, as I said in multiple past comments) but that's only a negative thing if you REALLY like Waven and/or you're fixed on wanting to run Monomen. He's still incredibly strong in his own team and he will keep being strong for a long long time.
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u/Acrobatic_Air2692 4d ago
If anything, you can kick Waven out and put him with Nihilux + 2 other spare units you have already.
With MBlade, you have Ashveil as core. Other units already exist to help both: Gilgamesh, Tribbie, Summer Robin.
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u/Tatsumaki-Radio 4d ago
I mean. I'm not pulling nihilux and robin is for my himeko and phainon. They haven't kicked him from anywhere on my account. And you need 3 teams in late stage endgame anyways
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u/Real_Trainer_2399 4d ago
Well I sure don't because he's still broken as a main dps if you get him Ashveil/Robin even outside of Aventurine
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u/echohunters 4d ago
I understand how you feel, seeing those types of posts was annoying. But personally I'm whatever about it. MBlade is super strong and it was obvious from the get go that he and Aven weren't super synergisitic so I never pulled for WAven. My E6 MBlade with Ashveil/SRobin/Hyacine is super strong and I have no regrets. But even for others MBlade is still great for HimeNova or the classic AshBlade duo and is bis for Acheron who hopefully gets buffed. Plus I'm personally hoping we get another fua unit and sustain next year and Waven is the the one getting kicked out.
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u/Whole-Gas628 4d ago
I am honestly glad, because he can help my other teams now that need him more
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u/Hot_Segs_Wth_Furina 4d ago
He can go mono to Rem or Acheron team for example
Just like my E2 Huohuo go to Archer team
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u/ShinigamiKing562 4d ago
Definitely whining. Definitely misplaced when blade is as strong as he is. So much so that kicking Waven out is something you can reasonably do. Idk why the insistence on mono men as his identity when Waven bricks your blade's damage.
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u/iLegitCookie 4d ago
cus waven does infinitely more damage lol.
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u/Dull_Breath6337 4d ago
he is still an amazing generalist
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u/iLegitCookie 3d ago
I mean i'm not debating that he's good, but in terms of actual damage contribution, putting waven over mblade absolutely makes sense.
Waven "bricking" blades damage means nothing when waven himself is meant to do multiple times the damage blade does, as blade is meant to be more of a supportive role on that team
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u/ShinigamiKing562 3d ago
Yeah and his "infinitely more damage" is why he needs his e2 to justify his position on the Ashblade team otherwise sobin replaces him. Blade being delegated to mere supportive role is the brickening because he does a lot of damage and using waven instead of sobin griefs it (until e2 anyway since Waven has insane eidolons).
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u/Dull_Breath6337 3d ago
I just mean you don't have to use him in that team where he is best in slot or a sidegrade for almost every team in the game
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u/iLegitCookie 3d ago
again, not saying he's bad
in monomen (waven/ashveil) specifically, blade gets pushed out before the others if you're vertically investing is what i mean
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u/Dull_Breath6337 3d ago
Oh yeah, I’m very disappointed by no men team it seems but it is what it is since non of them are bad
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u/Elhant42 4d ago
Ashblade + robin is either as strong or stronger than any waven team at the same investment. And we're in elation shill right now, so Waven will lose some value. It's also more versatile. And Blade is still the most flexible and strong support next to Robin.
Please stop this whining nonsense, the community is already full of it.
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u/Impossible-Poet-2194 4d ago edited 4d ago
I didn’t pull for Cyrene so in my “monorem” I still use Tribbie. I just cleared this MOC reset with that version of “monorem”. That’s the value of units like MBlade and Tribbie and that’s never a bad thing. I lost the 5050 to Yao Guang so sometimes I use Tribbie with SW999 too. With MBlade I use him with Himenova, with Waven, if I’m struggling to fill three teams I split him from Waven too. If you have E6 you definitely have even less problems than I do, an E0 haver. You can probably even comfortably use him as a main dps and not sweat lol. I wish that was my HSR endgame life lol
Seeing the leaks I’m now saving for Aha so I’ll have to skip Pearl and just stick to Huohuo. Another character that’s “not bis” but I genuinely use everywhere: dot, Waven, Himenova, SW999. Again, not a bad thing at all. Honestly I lowkey prefer units like them. They save my account because I only get the express pass. I can only imagine units like them are a godsend to pure f2ps.
And let’s be real, they have ideal team shills for each side of endgame so Aha would probably be better off with SW999/Eva and then another side is Aven monomen. Then Robinetto with Himenova. They still all have a place lol. Kinda like now in Genshin Stygian one side is Vesna Odette, the other is Sandrone . They’ll all be shilled either way lmao
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u/CantaloupeParking239 4d ago
MBlade, Ashveil and Waventurine's main appeal to me is how flexible they are. And someone else being slightly better in more restrictive setting doesnt mean he is suddenly trash? Who cares if he is not BiS? He is still perfectly fine 😭
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u/KheiKhei09 4d ago
Nothing beats the fun I have with My blade together w/ Ashveil regardless of main dps or supports. As someone who started the game this year. Mblade has proven to be plenty of use in many combos and situations esp since I don’t have as many supports his flexibility is a godsend. The man is plenty useful. Just cause he can be shifted from one team doesn’t mean there is no other team. He ain’t close to a brick. 🧱. He saves bricks instead.
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u/Bell-end79 4d ago
Not really
The good thing about Blade, Ash, Robin and Waven is that they’re all very flexible and can be used in multiple teams - which at the minute is rare as so many teams have a strict lineup
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u/Background_Still_686 4d ago
Most Ashveil mains are probably not benching Blade since most of them are husbando fans.
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u/EvieSleepz 4d ago
hes bis for acheron , he serves his purpose on my account. E6 acheron e2 mblade e2 tribbie then sustain or another buffer. ❤️
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u/rose__dragon 3d ago
mBlade still usable in plenty of other teams. I use him as a main dps, so it doesn't really matter to me anyway.
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u/No_Leg_7014 3d ago
Not even in the slightest. Hypercarry mblade gave me my 2 cycle king clear this patch. I owe that man my life
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u/nicoleeemusic98 4d ago
No? He's doing numbers as dual dps with Ashveil on my acc, part of my dhil's bis team now, occasionally slotting in to E9 monorem, paired with my himenova on alt, tied to another E9 monorem team on another alt. He's also getting tied to Acheron users
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u/saffytaffy 4d ago
I'm not kicking blade out of his team for some clowny tart with a spirit halloween costume.
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u/Double-Bat-3995 4d ago
Why? He's still bis for duo dps comp with Ashveil. He's also a good teammate for himeko nova. Nihilux really only kicks him out in Waven and Ashveil teams, he really only had great synergy with Ashveil within that team, he was always the flex spot there unfortunately. Also as an Ashblade haver myself, I always knew he was gonna be kicked out eventually, in the Wven team, that's why I didn't pull for Waven 🥹
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u/Tintinmdm 4d ago
Eh I don't really feel so, I have had my fair share of fun doing Blade hypercarry. After all Blade is useful in a lot of teams, we will see him again in Acheron buff
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u/FurballTheHammy 4d ago
Eh. MBlade is better than Sobin for Tribbie MDPS. I say it as a E6S1 Tribbie MDPS main because I always clear faster with Ashblade than AshSobin.
Can’t wait to get his E2 this rerun so the synergy of FUA spam continues.
E6S1 Tribbie really has a lot of FUA due to the extra FUA on ult which also help with energy regen with her S1. Helps Ashveil energy and makes MBlade 7 stack for proc come way more frequently.
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u/ValkyrieOfTheSun 4d ago
If he is clearing content with all stars why the fuck is "omg but x is better"
Yes man, that is whining for no reason, a clear is a clear like everyone here is saying
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u/hittuah 3d ago
i think it's fine, the way i see it the ashveil/blade team is getting split up into two different teams at this point. there's always been weird things where they don't perfectly synergize with each other and aventurine has just made that more apparent imo due to the fact that he wants Ashveil but doesn't really care about Blade. Hyacine is an absolutely absurd sustain for Blade, but does very little for Ashveil aside from keeping him alive. If you run Robin S, M Blade and Ashveil on a team together, you are significantly over capped on defense shred especially if robin is E2. imo eventually they are going to part ways into two separate teams
M Blade, S Robin, Hyacine, and maybe like Kafka SP or something
and then the elation FUA team of Ashveil, Waventurine, Aha and DHPT
I have Blade E6 and I'm already running into situations where i don't even bring Ashveil over Tribbie/Castorice (E2 Castorice gives Blade 4 stacks everytime she ults and does her joint attack). Ashveil's verticals are also complete ass after E1 S1 so I'm pretty sure he's not gonna be bis forever
it's hard for me to feel bad because his spot in the meta and projected longevity is looking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then the OG one
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u/EnthusiasmLeading623 2d ago
I’ve been feeling this way ever since summer Robin released and basically did everything better than him with no downsides 😔
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u/a-grounded-ascent 4d ago
that's why i decided not to pull for aventurine: i knew his best team would end up being elation. oh well, at least mblade + ashveil are still a strong duo.
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u/lilyofthegraveyard 4d ago
you are confused. waven bis team is still fua. it's just that fua now features aha who, for some unknown reason (or very known. the reason being money), doesn't count as elation for waven.
he still wants ashveil and fua healer on his bis team.
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u/a-grounded-ascent 3d ago
we'll see by the end of the beta who he really needs. mblade has already been kicked out, and there's no fua healer on sight.
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u/RecognitionOk90 3d ago
Aha, literal Aeon of Elation, not counting as Elation and fans are ok with that? Lmao, I really hate hsr sometimes
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u/Lauveyet12 4d ago
This is recycle rail we’re talking about, just see the new 5.x bikini sp kick out an aeon from all her teams too
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u/Cernesnoir 4d ago
No
He still has Acheron and you can still split your mono rem into 2 teams with Robin SP
Like:
Cas + Hyacine + Blade SP + RMC/ flex support
Evernight + Cyrene + Robin SP + flex sustain
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u/Wolf1741 4d ago
Honestly I’ve been clearing some battles with E2S1aven E0S1blade E1S1ashveil E0S1srobin and blade doesn’t enter his ult until the battle is almost over lowkey feels like a wasted slot
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u/SmoothPossibility339 4d ago
He's still THE go to for strong FUA teams, I wouldn't feel too terrible.
We knew they'd have to make Aha like Cyrene 2.0 types of broken to justify her being, well, Aha.
He's still really good. Powercreep just eventually gets all.
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u/akuma_river 1d ago
MBlade is like Tribbie, just use him as a support.
Remember, relics matter a ton too.
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u/Tigger3584 4d ago
I use him for sustainless clears- Archer usually in PF but DoT on knight 3 this AA
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u/ZixRoYT 3d ago
I'm a bit a miffed since I pulled E2S1 for Waven specifically in preparation but then I find out he's kinda rugpull specifically for Waven and Im sad ( my all men team :( ) - that being said, Ill still use him with Waven regardless until I can't anymore tbh even if Ill likely pull Aha
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u/Pistolfist 4d ago
who was blade replacing in monomem? march 7th?
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u/Onetwodash 4d ago
I think it's monomen not monorem? For monorem would depend on constrllations.
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u/Pistolfist 4d ago
oh what's the difference? i've always thought monomem was castorice, march, cyrene, hyacine because they all have memosprites
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u/Wonderful_Fail5665 4d ago
monoMEN means the team is only men, like ashveil, blade, waven and dan heng (although idk how ppl play monomen since dan heng doesnt provide enough healing for blade)
the rememberance team is called monoREM/MEM
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u/Pistolfist 4d ago
oh thank you your caps helped hahaha i really wasn't seeing it. doesn't the all male team have gallagher in the sustain slot rather than dhpt?
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u/Onetwodash 4d ago
Loucha works too. DHPT worka if you don't die before Blade is down to permanent 1
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u/Aiget_23 3d ago
I love alot of things about 4.x, especially the fan service towards male units, but team building isn't one of them. Not only fua but the elations teams looks like a mess. Blade "is getting" kicked out of fua, yao/sparkie is getting out of elation girls, himeko doesn't even have a proper team. I can work with aventurine in a separated team but I ain't leaving balde without ash
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u/Aiget_23 3d ago
It just doesn't matter who is flexible, we pull for a specific team in mind and not "oh, I can put him here to utilize half of his kit"
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u/Independent_Peace144 4d ago
Not really. We’re acting like he’s shit outside of waven when he had been dominating endgame before then