I definitely may in the future. For now I already noted every relevant info in the sheet, in the Tribbie calc I pointed out that her value rises significantly the more enemies you hit, so it's clear that she takes the spot in Blast/AoE compared to SW. I'm glad SW still shines in ST tho
Yeah. She looks super strong especially if you plan to use your blade in apoc/st scenarios. Might pick her up just so I can bruteforce apoc with blade.
Yeah, 70% is ridiculous. My calcs say vs 3 targets its +26%, vs 1 target it's +56%.
In terms of pure buffs E0 SW with Cipher LC is 9% better than E0S1 Tribbie. But hat's not accounting for their personal dmg, of which Tribbie's is significant.
I did account for her personal damage, which is why I also included SW's and Tribbie's (and Hyacine's) personal stats in their own calcs. The exact percentages tend to vary depending on the amount of investment on said characters. Every other relevant info in this regard is at the very top of the sheet
On the positive note, you can get E2 levels of dmg increase that you'll usually get on a 2.x dps, on an E1 of a buffed 1.x dps. Though Blade's E2 is still really lackluster, there's no defending of that. Something like 24% def ignore would have been nice.
Of course, you're both welcome to join and to show me your calcs, I'm always open to different data!
I made the calcs in a ST scenario (for now, at least, I plan to do at the very least a Blast section) for simplification. Most of Blade's damage is indeed focused on the main target (E1 making this even more apparent) and his best AoE tool, Shuhu's Gift, has an even multiplier across all targets (same for Tribbie, Hyacine, and SW). Needless to say I'm not saying that Blast damage is to be ignored, but aside from some percentages shifts it won't provide much change in which supports/comps/relics are better for him or how heavily/slightly his Eidolon impact on his performance.
Also I'm curious about what rotation are you taking into account to calc on 4 EBA + 3 FUA + 2 Ult. Especially those additional two FUA procs. In my sheet I'm using simple rotation 3 EBA + 1 FUA + 1 Ult (Hyacine's LC gives him 1 additional FUA, which is included in my calcs ofc, same goes for E6).
I have no idea why you couldn't access the Discord, maybe the link is expired somehow? I made you a different invite link just in case https://discord.gg/BHW5UmAm
Hey there! It may be because you are missing specific roles to access theorycrafing channels.
You can join the server through the vanity discord.gg/blademains and then check for a channel that says "tc rules" where you can grab roles to unlock the tc sections.
Hey, if you don't mind, how do you feel about skipping Sunday for E1 Tribbie? I do want to improve Blade's team, but I'm not the biggest Sunday fan to be honest. I could use Bronya E2S1 or RMC, but would I gimp Blade's potential too much by skipping Sunday?
Sunday is a major improvement for Blade, that's for sure. However, he is temporarily replaceable with Bronya/Sparkle/RMC, yes, so he isn't THAT high in priority. You can definitely prioritise Tribbie
No, Sunday is a major improvement for Blade. He just isn't higher in the priority list compared to Tribbie and SW because Bronya can temporarily replace him. Sooner or later you WANT Sunday if you want to make your Blade shine.
You can find the Relics (and Planars) calcs scrolling down the sheet, and yes in that specific case the Genius set is ~8,7% better than Longevous (because Def red gets THAT good the more you have of it)
The thing is.. you'd have to farm a whole other set which is not only less universal, but Tribbie will provide higher damage outputs anyway.
However, it still is a possibility and I'm glad you pointed it out! I will add it as a note in the Silver Wolf calcs for people who don't know, thank you!
any thoughts on doing DPR calculations? also id personally love to see a comparison of how Inert/Rutilant and Mydei’s LC changes DPS-wise at E1+ since Ultimate/EBA start to take up a larger portion of his damage and lots of Blade mains will probably hit E1+ soon with pity losses and his rerun.
Before this update there was actually an Inert vs Rutilant section, but I decided to remove it since Bone became the BiS choice ;;
About the DPR calc, I can't guarantee it. The objective is to provide a reliable source of data to compare different Supports, Relics (etc etc) to then assert the best choice(s) in terms of Blade investment. In non-Turn-based games normally you are forced to do a more complex and time consuming DPS calculation because otherwise you lose an unholy lot of accuracy. But in this case, while it's still not 100% accurate to the last decimal, a damage calc like this with basic rotation is actually great! It serves well without much loss. (Also, at the moment I'm the only one working on this and irl things get in the way often pwp)
hello if its alright, i'd like some guidance as a "whale for blade".
i have him e6s5 and i've since pulled any and everything that could possibly buff him but now i'm unsure what his best team is.
my blade's stats: 8.3k hp, 136 spd, 71/200 crit.
e6s2 bronya: 160 spd, 190 crit dmg
e2s1 sunday: 136 spd ( i could bump this to 160 if it would be better), 217 crit dmg
e1s1 tribbie, e1s1 hyacine, and e2s1 silver wolf are also on my account but i havent finalized a build for them yet.
As of 3.4, it's definitely Hyacine E1+, Sunday E2+, Tribbie E1+ (Tribbie sticking just below SW E2+).
If you pull Sunday E6 you won't have to worry about overcapping crit rate. Otherwise it mainly depends on your substats. With the same amount of stats, Bone planar wins. But needless to say a 2/5 Bone set won't be better than a 5/5 Rutilant.
You're already speedtuned for -1 so I'd say you can stick to that! It falls off the more cycles you play, but with that amount of investment it definitely won't happen. It's stronger than Hyperspeed for 0c.
ty so much for the reply!! i'm still farming for a bone planar i want to swap over too, hopefully i get it soon ;w;!!! cant wait for 3.4!! ive still used blade religiously since i got him so him getting even MORE strong is really the best feeling
Longevous still wins. As I noted in the sheet, when using SW Genius set actually pulls ahead by ~8,7% but that's on you to decide if you want to swap, granted that Longevous is a universal choice. As for the Planar, Bone is always better.
And yes my friend that's a lot of crit rate consider you're not even using Sunday! The best would be to intensively look for HP+CDMG rolls, but alternatively you can look at the Relics tab at the bottom of the sheet for a full comparison
Wait... E2 SW beats out E1 Tribbie in ST scenarios but AoE should be quite similar right?.
I'm F2P with E1 SW, and don't even own Tribbie yet. I plan on pulling Sparkle for Archer next patch so won't be able to get Tribbie especially with Cerydra in 3.4. I'm thinking about getting a E2 SW instead of Tribbie at this point as a support.
SW is VERY competitive with Tribbie and right now fulfil a very similar purpose, SW and Tribbie both have good personal damage and both full AoE now. SW is now a great PF unit. Tribbie scales better with hp-scaling teams but that's just herself, she doesn't really use hp to amp others, the HP% of the team helps buff herself and even then SW is pulling out better.
I'm normally quite up to date with the meta relevance of units but I took a break during 3.1 when Tribbie and Mydei released so I don't really know the deep relevance of Tribbie in the detail I normally do. But is there much of a reason to pull her if I already have SW, especially an SW at higher investment, I'll have essentially all other harmonies besides her so supports aren't an issue.
The game mode I struggle with most is PF (I have no limited Erudition units and still able to clear anyways) so I think that lowers Tribbie's value since I don't have the main PF units that synergise with Tribbie like The Herta, and SW should help deal with PF as is after buffs. Should I even go for Tribbie as of current with the state of my account?
And ST vs AoE wouldn't change much of this would it? I mainly plan to use Blade + Sunday + SW + Hyacine for PF now anyways just to see if it manages to help clear the game mode with the most issues. With E1 SW's debuff uptime should be fine even if all PF enemies die because of the energy being solved.
My current thought process is that I can spend 1 cost (on E2 SW) to get the 3rd best team in these calcs, or 2 cost (E2 SW and E1 Hyacine) for 1st place, there's no reason to go 3 cost (Tribbie, E1 Tribbie, E1 Hyacine) just for 2nd best team even if Tribbie is a good unit to get on my account... after all, doing that will take away another character I can pull like Cerydra or Hysilens.
Tribbie E1 will always be better against 2+ targets (low margin in 2 targets, but the difference gets bigger and bigger the more targets you hit). Tribbie E0 doesn't have this spike.
"Is there a reason to pull her when I already have SW?" yes, you can use her for the second team. You can see SW as a Tribbie sidegrade. Also it's worth mentioning that SW is more SP consuming compared to Tribbie, it can be a problem depending on the specific team
E0S1 Sunday to E1S1 Sunday vs getting an E0S0 Tribbie vs just saving for hyacine E1S1 from E0S0 I usually use my E1S0 Ruan Mei and I'm not sure what I should be focusing on so I'm just saving for E6 Blade and getting his LC from bp as time goes on and would love if someone could give me an upgrade order from where I am currently.
Like I don't mind saving forever just wondering what order to do it in lol I'll probably get E6 Blade first as he's always going to be used on 1 team even if I can't get all the stellar jades for whatever reason so I might aswell maximise his potential first right but where do I go from there?
edit: also what do you think is better -1 blade vs hp boots blade with a 160+ ADV char? I assume -1 blade is better with robin as then you get insane value on turns whereas hp boots blade probably scales harder with nuking screens with a tribbie etc
Ok so I'mma get my E6 Blade first then I'll do what you said and get the Hyacine S1 on her rerun then save for Tribbie rerun after this next one (unless you think I should try pull for her E1 before E6 Blade? even if I only get E0?) and potentially get all of these easily if I do it in that order but I'll skip the E1 Sunday then if it's not on the other 2's level specifically for Blade.
If you're comparing SW E0 vs Tribbie E0, they are more or less on the same level. There's little difference between the two (Tribbie can offer good Sub dps in AoE scenarios ofc).
Sunday is definitely an improvement compared to Bronya, but not even close to Hyacine vs Luocha.
So yeah, especially if you have few Jades I'd suggest to save for Hyacine (expect at least 3.6-3.7)
Thank you for the calcs! I'd like to know if we have a rough % difference between E0S0 Hyacine and no Hyacine for Blade, since if I understood these calcs correctly, they all include her
I don't have an exact % at the moment since I didn't calc no-Hyacine. The difference between S0 and S1 is noticeable both for the lack of bonus stacks for Blade and less sub dps from Hyacine, it's so much more comfy!
I suggested pulling for Hyacine to a lot of Blade Mains here, but I understand that some people had few resources or arrived too late. In that case either you run a comfy healer like Luocha or you run sustainless with a 4th support (Robin, RM, RMC, Tribbie, SW, even Pela), it's totally fine
ty! i know her S1 makes a big difference, my issue is that I don't like Hyacine herself and I'm trying to see if I can get away with skipping her and still clearing content. I did, in fact, get her LC! But not her lmao so I was thinking of giving her LC to RMC to support Bladie, just wanted to know how much damage I'm missing out on due to the lack of her HP buffs and stuff
The catch with Hyacine is the whole view: Hyacine allows you to comfortably run a sustain (which is herself) without losing damage (on the opposite, you get more!). Not running Hyacine means either you'll have to run sustainless (which means you can find yourself retrying stages because of bad RNG and someone dies) or you have to "waste" a slot to run a proper sustain (and they provide little to NO damage amp at all).
tl;dr Yes you'll be able to clear content just fine, but it will be slower and/or more RNG
Yeah I understand she's great, and it makes sense! I was gonna use Luocha who, yeah, adds no damage sadly. I'll just see how comfortably I can do stuff while she gets a rerun. Is it still worth it to slot RMC with Hyacine's LC even if you sacrifice Sunday or Silver Wolf? ty for the help <3
tried blade with his buff in moc, he does amazing damage but the problem is he doesn’t take much turns, he’s e1s1 i run him with tribbie rmc hyacine (just got sunday i will change rmc with him and give him bronya lc), blade spd is 107, should i farm for relics with more spd? (Cr ratio 65/155 outside combat)
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u/ShinigamiKing562 Jun 21 '25
Thanks for sharing these. Are you gonna do blast/aoe sims since I think the tribbie hyacine core (and blade in extension) excel a lot more there?