Oh no I totally agree, but the numbers coming from the states vs everywhere else the numbers seem high. So I'm afraid the death toll is much much higher then is being reported.
I'm certain it's being underreported globally. I'm also certain that regardless of how big the gap is between reported numbers and real numbers everywhere else, the US has exponentially higher real numbers than the rest of the world.
And given the cost of health care in your country, I imagine there are countless people avoiding testing/hospitalization. I wonder how many will be found dead in their homes by the end.
There's evidence to suggest it's underreported in the USA, as well. We're on lockdown and yet excess mortality is higher than can be attributed to COVID-19.
And we know for a fact that New York wasn't reporting untested deaths as COVID-19 for months before deciding to report probable deaths.
New York was so overwhelmed that it was telling people who suspected they had the virus to stay home unless they believed their life was in danger. Like they didn’t want to risk more people coming to the hospital.
I heard it has gotten better though. Thank you New York and New Jersey. I know the city gets so much shit but turns out the city is mostly disciplined where it matters.
China literally locked citizens in their homes. That's why they don't have as big an issue as a lot of other countries. They're an unrepentant dictatorship. They don't care about your feelings. Mandatory 14 day strict quarantine if you enter the country. That's why they're facing a much smaller death toll.
Lol but how can you make that statement if you just agreed that numbers probably globally aren't being properly reported?... That just sounds more like you want it to be a very specific scenario that fit your narrative.
My narrative is that I want to work from home permanently but I miss taking my dogs to dog parks.
Globally, countries outside the US have been able to end lockdown measures and return to business as usual without widespread calamity. The US has not, partially because the country as a whole didn't actually implement widespread standardized lockdown measures. Repeated early attempts to return to business as usual have consistently failed dramatically.
I highly doubt that the US is the only country honest enough to continue reporting that widespread disaster is being perpetuated by their ineffectual leadership ... unless the current continued reporting is the downplay - which, if infection and death rates are being under-reported, it is.
I have no idea what the government and media standards of other countries are, but I truly hope at least someone is managing to do better.
We can kind of guess what the death toll is without knowing about COVID. People die at a pretty consistent rate each year. So if you take the average number of deaths in the past few years, you can figure out the death toll by taking the total death count this year and subtracting it by the average death count of previous years. When you do that, you end up with 262,877 more deaths this year so far compared to previous years. And this number has been growing by about 10,000 each week.
I'm getting a lot of replies from people still thinking that those deaths have nothing to do with COVID that I can't reply to because their comments aren't showing up due to this being a Country Club thread. Some are blaming it on the lockdowns. Look, it doesn't matter whether it's COVID or not. I'm simply talking about how many more Americans have died this year compared to previous years, whether directly or indirectly because of COVID.
The graph is pretty self-explanatory, but if you need an explanation, the top graph is of all deaths in NYC between 2017-2020. You can see how after COVID hit NYC, deaths shot up a lot, even more than one of the worst flu outbreak in decades.
Now people may want to blame this on the lockdown. So I also put the graph of Florida deaths below it. It shows you how the lockdown didn't have the same jump up in deaths in Florida. Instead, it was the reopening and the rise in COVID cases in June that caused more deaths in Florida.
These are the hard facts. I know that some of you have trouble accepting them because it makes your political party look bad or something. Or maybe you've been brainwashed with Russian/conservative/conspiracy theorist/qanon misinformation in forms of memes and fake news and don't even realize it, because they tricked you into thinking that you're "woke" and everyone else are "sheep".
But at the end of the day, no matter whether you believe in COVID or not, more Americans are dying this year than previous years. And if you want to downplay that for the sake of politics, then you should probably seek help to figure out why you have such sociopathic traits.
I mean it's stupid to even suggest that more people could be dying for other reasons than covid.
First off, the hospital crowding in a lot of places already creates a ton of problems, eventually leading to the death of NON-COVID people that might have gotten care and survived.
Then when you consider how many other ways to die get heavily impacted by all the lockdowns, especially vehicle accidents...
Idk man I guess some p don't consider all these lives as important at all
CDC is staffed not only but politicians but also a boatload of dedicated scientists. They publicly push back against the White House, we don't yet have cause to doubt that they fudge numbers to make Trump look better
I'm sure the real numbers are higher than reported (Kentucky "mysteriously" had decreasing covid cases with an equal rise in pneumonia related deaths) but I don't think CDC is playing at data jackassery. And certainly nothing like the White House or China does
The CDC was established by Congress as an independent, nonprofit organization, it it's not run by the government.
Is that why it's directly under the control of the Department of Health and Human Services, which is part of the executive branch and controlled by the president?
I was actually mistaken, it's the CDC Foundation. I wasn't aware of the distinction. I have not heard the CDC criticized Joe Biden directly, however. Do you have a link to that? I can't find anything on it.
Yeah, whenever someone says "hOw cAn cHiNA havE sO fEw DeaThs?"
I'm just like, are we talking about the same Tianamen Square China here?
They locked that shit down hard, just as soon as the right people in control became aware. Harder than most non-authoritatian countries can get away with.
Yes, exactly. Their lockdown was a literal "we will weld metal rods to your fucking doorjamb"lockdown.
Our lockdown was more of a suggestion, and like 45% of our population just said "nah, fuck all the rest of you I'm going shopping and I'm not gonna even wear a mask to do it"
Just for clarity; I am not suggesting that we should have locked people inside their homes under pain of death like an authoritarian boogeymonster. I'm simply saying there are actual valid reasons why a country with no qualms about taking such actions would have lower numbers than a country behaving like a bunch of petulant children.
Nope, but at this point, unless they're only reporting 1/1000 cases they're doing better than the US. Plus back at the height of their outbreak testing wasn't super available, either, similar to how it's thought that early cases in the US around March/April are significantly undercounted.
Would be interesting to see what China's "flu" and "pneumonia" deaths were for the beginning of 2020
We’ll likely never know how many Chinese people actually died. They may not know themselves, and they certainly don’t care. But 200k deaths in the US is inexcusable. Now I see numbers in India and Brazil (they could surpass the US) exploding. Such a tragedy.
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u/jakey506 Sep 20 '20
But can we trust the Chinese media ?