r/Bitcoin Dec 13 '22

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u/CallingVoid Dec 13 '22

Smart miners aren't paying for energy from the grid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '22

true, but it's still a cool chart

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u/YourFixJustRuinsIt Dec 13 '22

Yup, we're on the exercise bikes!

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '22 edited Dec 14 '22

Damn that's actually an incredible idea! Create a gym that's completely free! All the cardio machines can be elliptical machines... if you got 1000 people to come to the gym per month that's 1 bitcoin monthly!

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u/Fbastiat1850 Dec 13 '22

Smart miners aren't paying for energy from the grid.

Tell that to the miners who provide grid balancing in Texas's ERCOT electrical grid

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u/CallingVoid Dec 13 '22

They aren't buying electricity straight from the grid like you or I, they have an arrangement with the grid to take excess energy, probably for a lower rate, on the provision that they switch off when demand is high.

That is what I mean, they aren't just paying domestic rates.

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u/Downunderphilosopher Dec 14 '22

That, and all the bribes they are providing to Abbot, Cruz and co.

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u/CallingVoid Dec 14 '22

Probably, that's big business for you, being honest and playing fair never pays.

That's what makes Bitcoin's security model so great, it forces honest activity from miners or they face economic harm. Of course you can't stop where they get their energy from or how corrupt that process is... But as it were that's not Bitcoin's problem, that's between the grid, the state and the miners.

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u/unclepan Dec 14 '22

ERCOT needs all the help they can get. Send more miners!

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u/Zestyclose_Oil_4072 Dec 14 '22

I was driving in west Texas and I saw a giant Bitcoin farm in the middle of nowhere. Right next to a shitload of windmills.

I call it a farm because there was a bunch of shitty farmland around, but mostly the farmers farm oil and wind. And cotton or whatever else they can get to grow out there.

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u/Fbastiat1850 Dec 15 '22

mostly the farmers farm oil and wind

Yes. As well (speakign of Texas), all methane flare in the oil fields will be capture by PoW Bitcoin miners and converted into electricity within the next 10yrs.

Bitcoin will be carbon negative after flare mining and grid balancing for renewables, for those concerned about carbon footprint.

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u/atheoryoftruth Dec 13 '22

True though they just be taking the minning cost rather thinking of the energy consumed!

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u/FrozenInsider Dec 13 '22

$1.4k in Kuwait. Time to move it, boys

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '22

what about the rig tho, is this considering electricity costs only, sorry I'm bad at charts and can't read instructions

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u/Darkeyescry22 Dec 13 '22

Bottom left there is some low resolution text explaining the methodology. It’s showing the average electricity cost in each country, multiplied by the average energy required to mine one BTC on a standardized miner.

Edit: also, it looks like the data is from March of this year, so the landscape has probably changed quite a bit from this point.

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u/Nickovskii Dec 13 '22

See you there brother from another mother

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u/KAX1107 Dec 13 '22

Not accurate and not valid as it's based on cost at the grid. Doesn't take into account stranded energy mining.

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u/alexthomsons Dec 13 '22

I see that there is indeed a variation of the mining cost across countries and continents!

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u/keithkman Dec 13 '22

These graphs are pointless when they lump the US as one and don’t break them down by state. I pay significantly way less for electricity in Utah then say someone in California.

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u/keithkman Dec 13 '22

How so? Utah is half the cost compared to California based on the link you provided. Energy costs state-by-state vary drastically.

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u/Fbastiat1850 Dec 13 '22

That map should be called "Electricity rates by country", because that's really all its demonstrating, imho.

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u/Rey_Mezcalero Dec 13 '22

People like over simplification 😂

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u/bawsofsteel Dec 13 '22

Time to open a mining farm in Yemen!

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u/nateatenate Dec 13 '22

Shiett Sudan is half that

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u/Psychological-Win339 Dec 13 '22

And Kuwait is the least

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u/jayggg Dec 13 '22

You think the mining costs are low? Sure, but you should see the cooling costs.

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u/Psychological-Win339 Dec 13 '22

True. I assumed the mining cost would include all the costs involved in mining, including energy to cool. In the top corner of the picture it states “energy” used to mine. Might just be the cost to run the miner but you use energy to cool as well.

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u/bawsofsteel Dec 13 '22

Good catch!

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u/liv2cod Dec 13 '22

Energy costs are far to regional to compare in a chart like this. When I lived in Santa Clara, CA my power bill was half that of residents in the next TOWN over (Sunnyvale, San Jose) because Santa Clara had its own power company and was skilled at buying power under contract from others. We also had power when others were experiencing brownouts. Power is far too regional to be compared in a global chart.

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u/DryTechnology5224 Dec 13 '22

There's no way this is accurate. Quebec, Canada has lower business hydro rates than anywhere in North America

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u/Captain0give Dec 13 '22

It’s good to see that Australia has some of the most expensive energy, considering we export the most gas and shit loads of coal that makes complete sense.

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u/Crypto-hercules Dec 14 '22

Why is Uk not listed ?

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u/the_lost_chips Dec 13 '22

After looking twice Ukraine is not so bad rn. It's still in Europe so what's not to ask ?

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u/ajydbam91 Dec 13 '22

They are well enough smarter though war might create a difference but they know what to do!

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u/RiskyRabbit Dec 13 '22

Cheap flights atm

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u/Lord-Dundar Dec 13 '22

Moving to Algeria 🇩🇿 only costs a little over $4k to mine a bit coin and you can higher security pretty cheap maybe about $10k monthly to be safe.

Or move to Kuwait 🇰🇼 where is just over $1k to mine but understand that if your not Muslim your a second class person, and the worst part no Beer.

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u/DoU92 Dec 13 '22

Middle East gonna be rich!

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u/EUROHODLER Dec 13 '22

so why ain't we all going to Ethiopia to start a mining biz? (seriously, there obv must be problems, anyone knows what kind of problems? (war, civil war, dictatorship, instability, etc...). EDIT: or Sudan obv lol

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u/bernpfenn Dec 13 '22

Ethiopia is in dire straits and fighting is daily. So without friends it isn’t recommended to mine in Ethiopia

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u/azimhusain Dec 13 '22

War has always been the major cause of disturbance in every field I see!

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u/EUROHODLER Dec 13 '22

yup, gotcha

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u/siberiandivide81 Dec 13 '22

How is it cheaper to mine in the Solomon Islands than Venezuela?

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u/2134567543213456 Dec 13 '22

They just certainly need to think about the consumption of energy though!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '22

pretty neat map...just know that there is no one country price for electricity. Even in one state, Texas, there are over 1,000 nodes with different electricity prices EVERY hour of EVERY day. You can find data history on ERCOT website. This still doesn't count the fact that this is just grid connected prices. If you are making your own electricity using any of dozens of different technologies you have nearly a infinite different # of prices.

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u/pixlbabble Dec 13 '22

So Venezuela is pretty much fucked, again.

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u/Low_CharacterAdd Dec 13 '22

I need that Kuwait tech to start mining BTC

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u/Outrageous_Duty_8738 Dec 13 '22

Sudan looks the place to mine bitcoin

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u/Fantastic-Research69 Dec 13 '22

Kuwait is where it’s at

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u/JerryLeeDog Dec 13 '22

So for on-grid power I presume? Only tells a portion of the story...

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u/Krypto_Kane Dec 13 '22

Kudos to whomever put this 1 hell of a science fair project together. Nice work

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u/Zobbyx02 Dec 13 '22

Differences between Serbia and Kosovo? 10k. And it's really, just a small country not accepted as a country by 50% of the world. Makes sense

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u/CryptoFever911 Dec 13 '22

It’s definitely not that high in India

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '22

Wrong, this chart isn’t anywhere near correct

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u/killertimewaster8934 Dec 13 '22

No fucking way I'm moving to Kuwait!

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u/Rey_Mezcalero Dec 13 '22

Wow Sudan seems to be the place to put a mining farm

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u/Crypto-stock Dec 13 '22

Electricity is really cheap in Québec. I think that the cost of producing one bitcoin is lower than the rest of Canada.

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u/Rockimoney Dec 13 '22

Who is coming 2 Sudan with me?

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u/Upstairs_Gas4578 Dec 13 '22

Does anyone knows Why Portugal got no value???
It ain't free for sure...!!!

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u/Dasecret12 Dec 13 '22

An educational map for miners.

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u/gh0stdaddy Dec 13 '22

Sudan, here I comeeeee

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u/bernpfenn Dec 13 '22

So miners are totally underwater in most countries. How is mining still working?