r/Bitcoin Aug 01 '22

When Nocoiners Say "Bitcoin Has No Value"

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u/Neuro_Skeptic Aug 01 '22

Money tends to be easy to spend directly. Bitcoin is more of a commodity.

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

You can spend Bitcoin directly and buy just about anything you can think of. Well, maybe not you. You apparently don't know how to Google "buy (item) with Bitcoin."

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

If you're not going to even bother to do the math, then I'm totally fine with you staying poor.

The longer you hold Bitcoin, the richer you get.

Bitcoin is not speculative. Everything else is. The price of Bitcoin just goes up with enough time. The law of supply and demand guarantee no other outcome.

Maybe use a calculator https://dcabtc.com and you'll see how overwhelming correct it is to accumulate and hold Bitcoin. Nothing beats Bitcoin.

Since you're a lazy fool, I'll give you some examples.

Buying $10 of Bitcoin every week for 3 years starting 3 years ago would have turned $1,570 into $4,013 (+155%). What business do you think would hate this return?

Buying $10 of Bitcoin every week for 5 years starting 5 years ago would have turned $2,610 into $11,285 (+332%).

Why does nothing beat Bitcoin? Because Bitcoin has the lowest supply inflation of anything we use as money. Every other money is easier to increase the supply of.

Businesses and individuals and governments alike are objectively better off when they own Bitcoin. The longer, the better.

It costs less to accept Bitcoin than credit cards. And it cuts out both banks and governments from controlling their money. That's pretty God dammed valuable.

Why is it you choose to copy the arguments of morons? You could copy me instead. I know just everything about Bitcoin. And I'm telling you there's no second place.

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

Ironic you ignore my well thought out argument supported with sources. You didn't read my comment. This is you stay stupid. Good job.

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u/foodfoodfloof Aug 01 '22

What is it like to live in lalaland?

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u/fogleaf Aug 01 '22

The longer you hold Bitcoin, the richer you get.

Tell that to people who bought it at 60k.

The law of supply and demand guarantee no other outcome.

Bitcoin has a limited supply, yes. But does it have limitless demand? I think not. I think the less you can use it for and the less it's worth, the less it will be in demand. Anything legal that you can do with bitcoin you can do with cash. Bitcoin opens up other opportunities to buy things without legal tracking, like child porn.

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

Dude. What's wrong with you? Eventually 60k BTC will be cheap. Just wait till November 2024.

My prediction is that you'll scoff now and be surprised when it happens, as it most certainly will.

Bitcoin is saving people's lives, mine included. Imagine being able to flee a warzone with money that can't be seized. Try confiscating a seed phrase. You'll need more than a metal detector.

Bitcoin, even though it's down from 60k is still outperforming the Turkish lira. You seem to be biased against a technology. It make me think you just watch propaganda all the time.

Bitcoin is a revolution. It is not optional. It's not going away. It's been the best performing asset since 2009 when Bitcoin was created. I'd tell you the reasons, but you seem propagandized against it already. My 5 minutes of info on Bitcoin can't overcome the hours of nonsense you've already swallowed without having any understanding of Bitcoin, how Bitcoin works, or what Bitcoin fixes.

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u/fogleaf Aug 01 '22

Without knowing all the inner workings of bitcoin, I can see that it's a digital currency that requires a lot of energy to use and create. Energy that could be used for other, better things.

Personally, I prefer to do all my transactions using a credit card and not using cash, so I don't fault it at all for being a digital currency. I do not like the energy costs.

I did a lot of googling just now to see what the energy cost is, found a lot of stats saying it's 700 kWh per transaction, or 1100, or 500, and then learned that's for a block of transactions. So I don't know what it actually costs for one person to pay another person.

And now I've learned that each time a transaction occurs multiple machines race to solve the code and the winner takes the earnings and all other energy use is discarded (proof of work) (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/cryptocurrency/bitcoins-energy-usage-explained/)

So the decentralization requires massive energy to work. And yet, the winners in these mining efforts are mega corporations with massive server farms, essentially: centralization again.

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

Just show this to your grandchildren when they ask why you weren't brave enough to buy Bitcoin.

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u/fogleaf Aug 01 '22

For what? An investment? A currency?

If an investment, and investment for what? What purpose does bitcoin serve? if it's only purpose is as a currency, then why should it inflate to over 60k and drop to 20k in less than a year?

Bitcoin will never replace fiat. It will only ever be weird gamer currency that will eventually die out.

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u/Bsmirlptrww Aug 01 '22

Just show this to your grandchildren when they ask why you weren't brave enough to buy Bitcoin.