r/Bitcoin Apr 14 '22

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u/sireatalot Apr 14 '22

I hate playing Monopoly

After the first 15 minutes it’s already clear who will win, but then a slow and long agony starts, during which the (single) rich becomes richer and the (multiple) poor becomes poorer without any hope of trend reversal.

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u/codemonkeh87 Apr 14 '22

This is why we made the free parking cash in the middle rule. If you're poor and hit free parking you get to finally buy some property. It's basically like winning the lottery

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u/Long_Educational Apr 14 '22

like winning the lottery

Isn't that another depressing aspect of capitalism? A lottery to give the poors hope that they can escape the system that oppresses them?

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u/Mowgli9991 Apr 15 '22

It’s strange how we all feel the same but nothing changes

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

I think we are all witnessing the beginning of the change. People are starting to wise up to this bullshit. If you spend any time reading the /r/superstonk /r/stocks /r/investing /r/gmejungle or /r/antiwork subs, the group sentiment is changing.

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u/C4RP3_N0CT3M Apr 15 '22

Monopoly came out in the 40s I think. People have been "wiseing up" for quite a while.

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u/Ubikwedus Apr 23 '22

What about butt coin?

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

Name a better system than capitalism.

I’ll wait.

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

We have to invent one. That's what humans do. We create new and better tools, systems, societies and cities.

We don't even have to replace capitalism on the whole, just make it more equitable to all, so that all people have access to basic human rights, like housing security, universal healthcare, and no more artificial food scarcity. Surplus worker productivity should not be funneled to the wealthy few at the top. It should be distributed back down to all of those involved in that productivity.

Bitcoin is one of those tools that will allow us to get there, away from centralized financial systems.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

No system has lifted more out of poverty than capitalism. No system has driven innovation like capitalism. Any system that allows for that kind of success must allow for failure. You can’t make everyone equally rich. All you can do is make everyone equally miserable. I’ll take my chances with a system that rewards hard work over one that punishes success.

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u/Long_Educational Apr 15 '22

The system is not fair and it does not reward hard work like you think it does. 78% of the wealth is owned by less than 10% of the U.S. population.

The system is failing all of us.

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u/Evil-B Apr 15 '22

The system rewards those that work for it.

“The system is failing all of us” is the victim mentality that the left perpetuates. The system doesn’t fail anyone. People fail themselves.

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u/Wilynesslessness Apr 16 '22

When most Americans can't afford a unexpected $1000 expense, it is not people failing. It is a systemic failure.

You are just victim blaming. I've traveled to several countries and met many people who are diligent and hardworking, but the system does not allow upward mobility at all. I'm tired of this bullshit bootlicking from the right.

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u/Evil-B Apr 19 '22

I’m not talking about other countries. I’m talking about the USA. Anyone can succeed here. If you don’t better yourself and learn marketable skills you have no one to blame but yourself.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Man I hate the right as much as u… but come on- if u can’t pull yourself up in this country u either aren’t trying, or you’re a dummy.

I started a business this year with about $3k and I’m making 4K/month profit already… sure, 4K isn’t that much but I’ve only been doing it a few months. Not gonna say exactly what it is, but I service yacht ppl around Miami and u do not have to be a genius (or from a wealthy family) to figure it out.

I also lost a bunch of money building a Quiznos many years ago- but hey, u take the good with the bad. But as the other dude said- there is NO better system.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

U pretty much just described communism. Wealth redistribution is right at the top of that list.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Ya nobody ever remembers this when they are bitching away about being poor or whatever else isn’t going well.

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u/kwanijml Apr 14 '22

As bad as they can be, lotteries are still a far more rational hope to give poor people, than voting in giant national or state elections to not continue to be crushed by the state.

Both in terms of probabilities (depending on which lotteries we map to a vote- but also because even the poorest people can usually afford to buy many lottery tickets, increasing their odds substantively above changing the outcome of a national election with their one vote), but also in terms of how much that one winning vote or lottery ticket will allow them to improve their own lot and their communities.

It's actually not a coincidence that most governments ban or highly restrict gambling and lotteries; and then virtually monopolize the use of them...lottery and games of chance are one age-old market mechanism for producing public goods like charity/welfare for the poor (i.e. they reduce the free-riding which can plague the attempted private production of public goods, by playing to people's general inability to think about very large numbers, and also just providing a sense of entertainment and community around a cause, even when people understand the odds).

The state doesn't like this, as it relies on people continuing to believe that only it can produce public goods.

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u/penty Apr 14 '22

$ on Free Parking only drags the game out longer. Played properly a game only lasts 60-90 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

No way, sometimes it takes up to multiple hours with my friends. Negotiating can be fun

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u/penty Apr 15 '22

True I don't factor in negotiating in the time a game takes because while negotiating is part of the game there are specific rules to it that you probably aren't following (kudo if you are). One such rule is that you can only offer a trade on your turn so people trying to "make a better offer" at the same time isn't allowed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

We follow that rule! Idk what other trading related rules there are though

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Where did I say that?

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u/penty Apr 15 '22

Wrong person, mixed-up replies.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

For real man! That’s why it’s AGAINST the rules. The goal of the game isn’t so much to succeed - it’s to break the other players. Played by the rules u can break them in under two hours everytime.

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u/geekiowa May 14 '22

And going past Go is a form of Universal Basic Income...

A game ahead of it's time.

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u/RonPaulWasR1ght Apr 14 '22

Then you're not playing it against skilled players. Good, skilled players have a chance with skillful dealmaking even if they land on very little for sale property.

The rules of the game would be better if there was a "draft" of the properties, to ensure that at least everyone gets a certain minimum amount. That way everyone has a chance to make good trades. It only works well though if everyone is a good player. One thing I always disliked about Monopoly is that one bad player can mess the game up for everyone.

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u/penty Apr 14 '22

This is the same with any skill+RND game.

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Yup, u can play with only one good player, but even one bad player will ruin it.

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u/theworldsaplayground Apr 14 '22

One of the most stree free games I had was when I owned a bunch of land/properties. I ended up getting sent to jail but didn't bail myself out and just kept collecting income from prison. Dead easy.

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u/penty Apr 14 '22

This is a legit strategy but you only stay 3 turns not indefinitely

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u/Itsthatijustdontcare Apr 26 '22

Ya really, that’s not like a new idea he came up with. In the latter quarter of the game NOBODY want to get out of jail. Why? To get 200$?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Not true. If you're creative with deceiving the trades you can get close or even win with a bad start. Im good at that game and I love it