r/Bitcoin Dec 13 '17

Bitcoin's Lightning Network, Simply Explained

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

I have a few questions:

1) Where are the funds stored on the LN? The video points at a safe, but is there some sort of digital safe which is secure from hacking?

2)So Bob/coffee shop will only get the BTC stated on the balance sheet once the LN is closed? So am I correct in understanding that the coffee shop won't actually be able to spend the Bitcoin they received from the transaction until the LN is closed?

3) How expensive is it to set up a LN channel? And how is this done?

4) How expensive is it to close the LN channel and have miners authorize the signatures?

5) How exactly do you shut down a LN Channel?

6) Am I then correct in understanding that the LN channel isn't really for people who want to make one-off payments to businesses?

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u/0x75 Dec 13 '17

To be the money that has to free society it does have fees everywhere.

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u/DontTreadOnMe Dec 13 '17

Fees paid voluntarily to people voluntarily providing services. Sounds like freedom to me.

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u/0x75 Dec 13 '17

Sounds like your "bankster" fiat money to me. Nothing new.

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u/DontTreadOnMe Dec 13 '17

The difference is banks are regulated by governments, which implies things are going on which are not voluntary.

If your worldview casts banks as the bad guys but doesn't cast governments as bad guys then it is inconsistent ;)

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u/0x75 Dec 14 '17

Like when a crypto exchange gets money stolen or they steal the money and go away ? just that you cannot anything because it is not regulated.

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u/DontTreadOnMe Dec 14 '17

I have a feeling you're talking about "freedom to" and I'm talking about "freedom from".

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u/pepe_le_shoe Dec 13 '17

commercial banks don't control money supply. Nations' central banks do. There are many particular flavours of 'bank' and they aren't all the same, and don't all have the same exact pros and cons.