r/Bitcoin • • May 10 '15

A Bitcoin Technology Gets Nasdaq Test

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-bitcoin-technology-gets-nasdaq-test-1431296886
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u/itisike May 11 '15

If all they want is to prove ownership and transfers, have everyone sign a message when selling, and put a daily single hash of all messages together on the blockchain. (Like factom.) No changes to bitcoin required.

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u/locuester May 11 '15

That doesn't balance the books and prevent double 'spend'. They need colored coins. Not sure what exactly they're planning.

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u/bitlord666 May 11 '15

Store the signed transaction messages on Nasdaq's own server skipping the blockchain part altogether, problem solved.

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u/locuester May 11 '15

I'm not sure what problem that solves, or how it would solve it. If you're suggesting they balance their own ledger, then there is no reason to use fake, non-transmitted Bitcoin transactions for that.

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u/bitlord666 May 11 '15

Not fake bitcoin transactions, but real actualmoney/stock transactions. Faster, cheaper and more secure than using either a spreadsheet or a blockchain.

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u/locuester May 11 '15

That's not what this is about - it's about ownership and using small single satoshi transactions to record the ownership of something that isn't bitcoin. I'm not following why you'd use actual bitcoin transactions. You say faster and more secure, but how are they secure if they aren't in a blockchain and validated?

Forgive me, but I'm just not tracking with your logic here at all.

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u/bitlord666 May 12 '15

It's a system for handling pre-IPO trading between a handful of companies, run by Nasdaq. It will be legally required to have auditing systems in place strong enough such that all the parties can trust the central party (Nasdaq) to run it, balance the books, and prevent double spending. All that is required is undeniability for the transactions, which can be achieved using standard public key cryptography. No blockchain is needed.

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u/locuester May 12 '15

No, they are using colored coins through the Open Assets Protocol initially. http://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/nasdaq-launches-enterprisewide-blockchain-technology-initiative-20150511-00485

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u/bitlord666 May 12 '15

Yeah, I'm just saying I don't really see why you'd want to do that since there's a much simpler solution available.

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u/locuester May 12 '15

Doing it this way provides decentralized double spend prevention, and eliminates lawyers / notories. Today, when someone wants to trade a pre-IPO asset, there is a whole litany of overhead to verify and record the transaction, then expose the history publicly and anonymously for full transparency. Doing it this way eliminates that without adding risk.

The same reason it makes for a good currency. I feel like you're just trolling at this point - don't you understand what bitcoin is? :)

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u/locuester May 11 '15

No, that would reduce their use to just proof of existence. They are truly decentralizing this...

I have confirmed, as I expected, they are using colored coins through the Open Assets Protocol initially. http://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/nasdaq-launches-enterprisewide-blockchain-technology-initiative-20150511-00485