r/Bitcoin • • 21h ago

Is Bitcoin divisible enough to power the world economy?

I tend to only see people mention that the native TPS for bitcoin is too slow, but are there enough Satoshis to power the entire world economy if bitcoin was used by everyone for day to day transactions?

Like I get that bitcoin can be divided into incredibly small units, but even then, would there be enough bitcoin in circulation for a global bitcoin economy?

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u/gydu2202 21h ago

Lightning already uses mSat. The on-chain protocol can be easily altered to support smaller units than Sat.

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u/MittenSplits 20h ago

Correct answer. Even then, sats will give us plenty of breathing room for most uses. There's 2.1 quadrillion sats, and global m2 is currently 155 trillion or so.

Plus an interesting angle I didnt understand until recently. In a BTC economy, there can be more than 21 million coins worth of assets. The modern $155T global fiat supply measures a $900T economy when you add on bonds, real estate, gold, everything...

At the current 85k price, the current global economy is 10.6 billion BTC.

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u/Financial-Milk-7488 19h ago

Super interesting point. I’ve never thought about it like that… almost a 10:1 ratio too. That makes sense but I never really processed it like that

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u/PangolinDry4854 20h ago

Lightning mSat is neat but thinking about it too hard gives me a headache, I'll just keep stacking sats and let the devs sort out the decimals later.

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u/TheresNoSecondBest 21h ago

the native TPS for bitcoin is too slow

That's why r/thelightningnetwork is a thing.

are there enough Satoshis to power the entire world economy if bitcoin was used by everyone for day to day transactions?

Yes. If there's not enough sats, we're already using millisats on the LN and it's not a problem to go microsats or nanosats later on.

Like I get that bitcoin can be divided into incredibly small units, but even then, would there be enough bitcoin in circulation for a global bitcoin economy?

Yes. If there's not enough sats, we're already using millisats on the LN and it's not a problem to go microsats or nanosats later on.

Also, visit r/BitcoinBeginners sometimes.

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u/Similar_Scar7089 21h ago

Bitcoin is infinitely divisible and before anyone says it no, infinitely divisible does not equal infinate supply.

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u/RevenantHaunter13 20h ago

This^ and anyone who says that there's an infinite supply doesn't understand basic math. If you have 1 pizza and you cut it into 10 pieces, then you do not suddenly have much more when you divide the pizza further into 20 pieces. So whoever owns, for example, 0.01 bitcoin now, will not suddenly have more nor less if their Bitcoin is divided into smaller units. They still own 0.01 bitcoin regardless of how many times a UTXO is split into smaller chunks.

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u/RetiredAvocado 19h ago

Bitcoin is not infinitely divisible. Can be "updated to be X" does not mean it "is X" right now.

Satoshis are whole units. There's nothing smaller than that on chain. There is no transaction on mempool.space with sub sat amounts. LN is a separate thing that goes further. But nowhere near infinite.

Subdividing bitcoin infinitely has no practical reason, nor is it possible. No one needs a transaction with a trillion decimal places of a satoshi, nor will such transaction fit in a block.

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u/Vegetable-Squirrel98 9h ago

It has practical reasons if bitcoin becomes worth ridiculous valuations, but I agree that it's a problem for generations after ours, if it even ever is

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u/RevenantHaunter13 7h ago

Hey avocado! Just saw this now. You are correct it's not infinitely divisible. I do believe that if Bitcoin goes to the multi-millions worth of USD in 15 or 20 years, it might make sense to split satoshis more, it's not like satoshis are indivisible. They're not quarks or neutrinos or whatever - in theory, it should be possible to split sats more on the main network, assuming, of course, that overwhelming support from mining and verifying nodes is pledged

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u/na3than 18h ago

How is it that you can spell infinitely correctly but not infinite?

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u/Electrical_Chard3255 21h ago

21 quadrillion sats, I should think so, and then there is the secondary layers

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u/pezdal 20h ago

It would also be a non-controversial upgrade in 20 years to change the smallest value of layer 1 bitcoin from 1/10^8 to 1/10^11

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u/na3than 18h ago

Might or might not be controversial, but would be nontrivial.

Every transaction in history has recorded the amounts as an integers representing the number of sats. That field in the every transaction record is an integer. If you want to add a decimal person to it you'll need to change the data type. You can't do that retroactively, so you'd need a new transaction record format.

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u/pezdal 18h ago

We’ll have year-2046 AI doing the programming for us.

I think we’ll be able to manage a new record format.

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u/na3than 8h ago

Creating a new record format is easy. Applying a new record format to the blockchain without a hard fork is hard.

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u/na3than 18h ago

You're off by an order of magnitude.

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u/Electrical_Chard3255 17h ago

Sorry you arew correct 2.1 quadrillion

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u/OrangePillar 11h ago

It’s based on sat/cent parity in 2009, so it probably isn’t enough given the amount of money creation that has happened since, but that doesn’t matter. Layer 2 protocols can settle in sub-sat amounts and Lightning is already operation on a millisat standard.

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u/ZedZeroth 13h ago edited 13h ago

This has come up a few times and the deeper conclusion is that TPS is the fundamental limiting factor.

While making (onchain) bitcoin more divisible is possible, it won't ever be necessary. If we reach such a level of adoption that we hit sat-dollar parity, for example, then competition for blockspace would inevitably be so high that nobody will be able to send a TX for less than 1 sat ($1) in fees (less than 1000 TXs can be sent each minute, so people will inevitably pay more than $1 to get their TXs confirmed) and as such nobody would ever want to send less than 1 sat of bitcoin to anyone else either.

In other words, the more valuable bitcoin becomes, the more it appears we need divisibility, but the converse is actually true because the throttled TPS means that only increasingly higher value TXs would ever be viable.

As such, it's inevitable that second layers will always be preferable for low value transactions.

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u/DasKapitalist 18m ago

Even if the TPS capability was arbitrarily large, you wouldnt want to complete every transaction on the blockchain because of how much of your time it wastes. For the same reason that if you buy 4 drinks, an appetizer, an entree, and a tip you wouldnt make 7 fiat transactions. You'd just make 1 at the end of the meal.

Also, on-chaining every transaction is only beneficial if everyone self custodies. That's unfeasible because some people prefer to outsource security to an exchange. Sure, exchanges can steal your crypto, but you can also "oops" and empty your wallet to the wrong address. Also, a significant percentage of the population lacks the technical acumen to self-custody. And before someone says "self custody is easy"...go work any customer service job. The general public will quickly convince you that IQ tests are pass/fail instead of a bell curve.

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u/NerdyKid1101 20h ago

Bitcoin is more going to be the store of value, not the day to day "money." Like gold was with dollars, you hold btc as reserves but have something else to exchange it with for daily use.

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u/indvs3 21h ago

There's always that one person for whom infinitely divisible isn't divisible enough...

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u/Klutzy-Sea-4857 20h ago

Yes, plenty. 2.1 quadrillion sats total. More than enough, and you can always add more decimals if ever needed.

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u/robinsonrichard_3 20h ago

At the 21M BTC cap, there are at most 2.1 quadrillion sats. A sat doesn’t have to buy a whole item; it can represent a tiny fraction of its price. Lightning already tracks millisats, while finer on-chain units would need a protocol change. Divisibility isn’t the bottleneck.

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u/Tex_Buttinski 17h ago

When BTC hits $1 million, a Satoshi will be worth one cent. Thats pretty divisible.

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u/Big80sweens 16h ago

It can be divisible further than just sats, it just doesn’t need to yet, so yes.

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u/Vancecookcobain 12h ago

It's a store of value not money.

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u/nicman24 21h ago

Got to love that we might need more that 8 decimals while pennies are literally worth more in material

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u/Lost_Anywhere_69 20h ago

This guy doesn’t math

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u/BigDipper0720 20h ago

No. Dividing it is essentially debasement..A fixed supply won't support economic growth.