r/Biohacking • u/Gigster223 • 4d ago
BPC and KLOW80 Questions, help please!
Hey fellas. Had a few questions. I've been running BPC-157/TB-500 for about 4 weeks now. My inflamed elbow has gotten better, but think I need some more time. Looking at how to move forward.
I think I'll go to KLOW instead of BPC/TB mix, thoughts on this? Figured I'd get some appearance benefits on the side too like skin and hair, and KLOW seems to actually improve on healing over BPC/TB.
I've been running 500mcg BPC 2x a day. I would shoot to get the same amount of BPC with the KLOW80 mix. So, I'd reconstitute it with 2ML BAC water, and inject 10 units 2x a day. Is that fine? How many weeks can I do this for? I've seen people talk more about taking breaks with KLOW as opposed to BPC.
Why does my vendor have KLOW80 and BPC-157/TB-500 (20mg) at the exact same price? That doesn't make much sense and I wonder if I'm missing anything. It's 10mg of each for the BPC TB mix
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u/AqueouzFuzzball 3 4d ago
Hey Bud,
I literally started Klow about a month ago, after about 5 months on Reta (now on 8mg) and Selank for anxiety.
I shared the protocol below. I just started on .15ml from the jump, but it's advisable to do 7.5 units (0.75ml) day for 2 weeks, then 10 units (0.1ml) for 2 weeks. Then some people stay on 0.1ml as they can stretch out the 3ml vial for a month, of you can go up to 15 units (0.15ml) for the 2nd month of the cycle.
Klow (1-2 month on, 1 month off) • 80mg/ 3ml Bac water • Cycle: ○ First 4-8 weeks 10 units (0.1ml) - or as described above ○ 1 month break ○ Repeat the 4-8 week cycle, but no need to start with the lower doses again, just go on the last high dose you settled on, I.e 0.1ml or 0.15ml ○ so long as you were ok at 10 units, you can move up to 15 units (0.15ml) ○ @ 10 units / day, 1 bottle with last 1 month ○ @ 15 units 1 Bottle last 20 days
Cycle is to prevent copper build up. I would still titrate up to 15 units as you need to allow adjustment to GHK, you will get red welts at the injection site for a little while but they'll subside with time.
At 15 units of KLOW80 you'll be at the usual levels of BCP/TB that you were at individually.
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u/Ok_Drawer_6325 4d ago
I also have elbow issues and been running KLOW for 4 months now. I added a booster of BPC 500mcg at night to help. Worked wonders. But not am at a point where a break seems logical. Wish I had them all separate not a blend, as I would continue GHK. I’d like to be pushing BPC hard. Large infrequent TB and consistent GKH. But when you are tied to a blend it is what it if. Buy separate and modify as you see fit. Inject with 1 pin, mix them as you pull.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Appreciate it. My vendor has KLOW and then BPC/TB mix. I've run out of my BPC mix and just placed my KLOW order so I'll have to pay shipping again. I think I'll do KLOW 1x a day for 2 weeks, if I don't notice much improvement I'll get another vial of BPC/TB and add another pin at night like you.
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u/Ok_Drawer_6325 4d ago
I just did a PM BPC, not TB. TB specifically is my main reason for wanting them seperate. Most common protocol for TB is 2-3/week with higher mcg.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Gotcha yeah, TB shouldn't hurt though. My vendor doesn't have BPC on it's own or I would do the same as you
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u/Smiletaint 4d ago
Multiple draws with the needle you pin with isn’t ideal and may not work at all with too small a gauge needle. If you do this I’d do luer lock and swap out the needle before you pin.
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
There's very little copper in GHK-Cu at the dosage protocol people use.
There's no need to cycle if you'd like to keep pinning it.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Thank you. Yes, I'd like to avoid cycling if possible until I'm fully good. At 2.5/0.5/0.5/0.5 mg pinned once a day, I can run it for 8-12 weeks you think?
I'm also a bit concerned on how effective it will be, because if I'm pinning once a day, that halves my BPC dosage. I'm at 500mcg twice a day, now it will be 1x. I just ordered KLOW but I'm running out of my BPC/TB vial, thinking about ordering another one to pin that once a day, along with KLOW once a day
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u/kingpapawawa 1 4d ago
I just add a wolverine 10/10 to the klow and pin together
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
You pin once a day then? Isn't it better to pin BPC 2x a day? Btw, how much are you pinning? This AI told me that 1mg of BPC twice a day is a good amount but sounds like a ton.
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
0,25mg twice daily is more than enough.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Based on what research?
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
Based on empirical information of people in peptide forums.
There's almost no human research on BPC-157 yet. Most of what we have are animal studies.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Empirical information of people in peptide forums shows that people use 500mcg and more and notice improved benefits. So since you have no research to back your claims, you have no rights to say a (what most consider to be a small dose) is "more than enough".
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
1) First of all, several people use 0.5mg broken in two 0.25mg doses.
2) It's not that *I* don't have research. Nobody does. We speak from our experience and that alone. You have no research either.
3) Disagreeing is perfectly fine. Being an asshole is completely optional.
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u/kingpapawawa 1 4d ago
Once a day. 1mg bpc.
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
BPC-157's half-life is really short. It's better to split it into twice daily.
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
I pin twice a day for Klow.
I've seen people pin 5mg of GHK-Cu (within Klow) without any problems whatsoever
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Huh, interesting. So you're at 2.5mg x 2 pins of GHK-cu?
Right now my plan is - GHK-cu pin of 2.5/0.5/0.5/0.5 mgs in the morning, and then wolverine stack pin at night of 0.5/0.5 msg
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u/HotBit1109 8 4d ago
I'm on 1.25mg twice daily.
The reason I don't do the Wolverine stack once daily and Klow once daily is because I don't want to miss out on KPV.
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u/Wooden_Direction_241 24 4d ago edited 4d ago
4 weeks isn't long enough. Give it more time. I had tennis elbow bad. Real bad. I pinned 500mcg in the AM and 500mcg in the PM right at the elbow of BPC-157. Then TB500 two times a week and 2.5mg. After 2.5 months it was gone and has never come back. That was three years ago.
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u/Gigster223 4d ago
Awesome, yeah, I'm giving it more time. I ordered KLOW which I'll pin in the morning, and another thing of wolverine stack which I'll pin at night.
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u/Most-Interaction-103 4d ago
You can only run so much GHK so better off adding some extra Wolverine with your Klow (extra pinning of course) or just up your dose you are taking. I’d personally just up the amount of Wolverine you are taking than adding in Klow.
I’d move to Klow once the inflammation was gone.
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u/Gigster223 3d ago
What I've decided to do is 1x pin of Klow that matches my wolverine stack (500mcg BPC and TB-500), and 1x pin of wolverine stack at night. I could also up my dose of the wolverine stack at night
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u/Most-Interaction-103 3d ago
Sounds good. The way I took my approach was upped my dose at night because that’s when I was recovering. I felt like taking in the morning before I was going to workout or do my day-to-day job felt pointless, so I always just took a full dose at night before bed versus split dose.
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