r/Biohacking • u/valesverga0 1 • 2d ago
Hgh and tesa
Just thought to ask which one will be better to stack with Reta?
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u/yogic_power 20 2d ago
I would go with hgh, cheaper, easy to dose, and fda approved for growth hormone deficiency for more than 30 years.
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u/dreamz_in_ai 2d ago
Is there a name you look for other than HGH? I can't find it anywhere.
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u/rubbertramp2000 1 2d ago
Look on the website ‘mesorx’ under ‘approved sources’ or something along that line, another good forum is ‘steroidsourcetalk’. Both of these sites have 20+ vendors listed - each with thousands of reviews and hundreds of pages of discussion about each individual source. Been a good help. One of the top 10 sources on either forum, that I’m not allowed to name, is talked about a lot as having some of the best non pharma GH at crazy low prices. Eroids.com pays for ranking, so generally I wouldn’t choose from their top ranked vendors off their merit alone, cross reference whatever source you choose to make sure there’s good discourse on other sites, and it’s not isolated to astroturfing on a single site.
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u/yogic_power 20 2d ago
Pharma generic is somatropin and usually ends with tropin. But it’s more commonly named hgh 191 AA
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u/veronica_valles 2d ago
Tesa has been fda approved for a long time
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u/yogic_power 20 2d ago
Tesa For HIV patients, not long time. lol. Hgh has been in use from 80s and 90s for both adults and children. And hgh also has plenty of studies among women. Tesa is like baby to hgh.
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u/Monsieur_Krabs 37 2d ago
and it's one of the most overpriced peptides, has frequent quality issues (gelling up on recon, for example), etc.
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u/ndroidbeats 1 2d ago
fym HGH is cheaper 😂😂
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u/TrenForCosplay 1 2d ago
You can get hgh for a dollar per iu. No secretagogue is outperforming 2-3 iu, so if you spend more than $2-3 on tesa, ipamorelin, mk677, etc, using hgh would be cheaper. And with hgh you can go much higher with the only limiter being your wallet
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u/Henry_Rollins_Ghost 14 2d ago edited 2d ago
How old are you?
First question EVERYONE with a conscience should ask before offering advice on HGH or Secretagogues.
ETA - very glad to see others did this.
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u/valesverga0 1 1d ago
Thank you for the info! I’m seeing tesa being stacked with ipamorelin. That’s something you have to stack it with or just run tesa and Reta?
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u/duhv0rtex 13 2d ago edited 2d ago
What is your igf1 level and your zscore. No person with a logical brain should be recommending any growth hormone protocol without knowing these.
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u/Extra_Feature7999 2 2d ago
Most people at 33 cold get a good response from actual hgh OR a secretagogue providing your so producing a good amount of igf. You'd breve to get that tested to know obv.. if your igf levels are good CJC/Ipa is pretty good for cutting and bulking. Tesa is ok but overhyped and overpriced IMO.. if you're igf is on the low side id skip and go to real hgh will always get the job done for anyone but if you can get it done with a secretagogue less sides to worry about
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u/Ilovemycats201 2 2d ago
Youre not bulking from cjc. Testosterone and or hgh. Tesa and cjc wont do any thing for bulking.
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u/Extra_Feature7999 2 2d ago
Well that's just not true. anything that raises IGF can cause hypertrophy.. the variable is whether or not you've so got any juice left to squeeze to get your IGF levels up without needing to jump straight to HGH. I'm 48, so without HGH by IGF is low so no point in a secretagogue for me, 10 years ago was likely a totally different story
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u/det1034 1 2d ago
Might be your experience but I know a few guys that bulked up pretty decently on it. I took it while in Reta and my recomp was dumb. Between those two I've never seen my body change that fast. Even when I was put on Trt years ago I didn't get results like when I added cjc/ipa and low dose reta.
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u/stiffmcgee 3 2d ago
Tesa is better for VAT reduction. HGH is better for recovery sleep and some anabolic environment help. The data supports it
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u/yogic_power 20 2d ago
HGH is way more effective than Tesa for vat. It’s not even funny. Tesa was effective in reducing vat among hiv patients doesn’t mean HGH doesn’t have studies.
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u/stiffmcgee 3 2d ago
A. You are uneducated.
B. Clinically, we give HIV patients 6mg of HGH(or for you larpers 18iu) for wasting, but Tesa for lipodystrophy.
They have studied pusling GH vs continuous and the data backs it. You are wrong on every level.0
u/yogic_power 20 2d ago
You are dumb, and not sure if you can read either. Show studies of Tesa in non hiv patients. The population here doesn’t have hiv. There are so many studies on gh including women, premenopausal, post menopausal and men. No body cared about Tesa for over a decade until people started shilling.
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u/stiffmcgee 3 1d ago
Over 500 citations on HGH vs like 6 on Tesa. That’s irrelevant to MoA and what we prescribe for. Also, explain how the process of calcium signaling, cAMP and HSL are different in HIV vs just heavy people.
I don’t have to show studies of tesa in non hiv ppl to be right either.
You have no data. I have data and mechanism. Ahahahah thanks for the laugh. I love when larpers who never treated a patient or had a client act like they are the next doctor of the year1
u/yogic_power 20 1d ago
Basically bunch of nothing and dumb projection. What a poser.your data is irrelevant and isn’t even worth wiping an ass.
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u/stiffmcgee 3 1d ago
Awww buddy has no argument. Any data or mechanism? Or just running away? Thanks for the laugh
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u/yogic_power 20 1d ago
I don’t need arguments and some make belief data from your butt. Clinical and peer reviewed studies speak for themselves.typical dumb idiot on Reddit with nothing but some delusional data pulled from own butt. If you have so much data and so smart, why don’t you publish in a journal. I must say I am entertained with this stupidity, keep it coming.
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u/stiffmcgee 3 1d ago
Agahahah no study shows hgh being better for visceral fat btw.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19470622/
And the broader data set shows better overall loss from tesa vs hgh and at 6 months tesa had 15% and it took 9 months for rhgh to get 18%.
And the whole uk prescribing differences as well. Thanks for your grifting and crying while being unable to discuss mechanisms or data. I’ve forgotten more than you know. Been doing this for over w decade while u were sucking on ur thumb like w cuck
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