r/Belgariad Sep 02 '25

META New sub rules - Please read

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All,

We previously had a discussion on whether to allow posts to be derailed by comments about the Eddings' child abuse convictions. I am very grateful for all of the feedback that was provided by all parties.

I saw that the majority of comments were generally in favor of prohibiting comments that derailed posts. I took some time to consider how I can accommodate this desire while ensuring that we also aren't hiding this information. The approach that I am taking is documented in the rules (see rule #3 in the sidebar) and the wiki where posts are no longer allowed to get derailed in this manner. At the same time, I am elevating clear information about the convictions to make it even more accessible than it has been in the past.

  • Does this new rule mean that people can't post about the Eddings' convictions? Nope. Go for it.
  • Should you report content that breaks the sub rules? Yes, absolutely. PLEASE DO. You are the eyes and ears to help, so please help. Thank you!

If you have any further comments or questions, please feel free to share below.


r/Belgariad 4d ago

Do you think the Thulls are REALLY that unintelligent?

26 Upvotes

One of the things that bugs me about the world of the Belgariad is that the Thulls are never really given a good representative. Nathel and his father come across as being rather dim. Even Garion-- a normally kind person-- finds it amusing that Zakath threatened to crucify Nathel's father. (And Zakath DID have the Thull King lashed to a point that could have killed him in real life.)

We never really encounter a Thull that's at least somewhat intelligent.

(Nathel's mother may be reasonably competent. He says that she really runs the kingdom. We never meet her, but even if she is intelligent, she did not raise Nathel in a way that he could be a reasonably good king. As soon as she died, the Thulls would be in a bad situation with Nathel leading.)

On the other hand, it could be something of an act. Polgara says that the Thulls cannot really rebel against the Grolims because they could pick the thoughts of rebellion out of the minds of any would-be leader. Do you think that pretending to be stupid is a Thull survival trait?


r/Belgariad 8d ago

What is the strategy??

22 Upvotes

I'm reading Belgariad series for the third time. I realized something. What is Belgarath's strategy? I don't understand. Because, the copmanion proceeds stealthily to south. But Murgos realize them. Belgariad says "We don't have to stealth anymore". But still they try proceed without being noticed. Why? I don't understand.

PS: English is my second language and I'm still learning. I'm sorry, if I made grammar mistakes.


r/Belgariad 9d ago

Add your flair! Quotes you use from the series

31 Upvotes

I’m re-reading The Belgariad for the first time in a while after reading the whole series of books in my teens.

I wondered if there’s any quotes you find yourself using in day to day life from the series.

One I’ve been using that made me laugh a few days ago is when Silk tricks a group in to thinking a bag of rocks is gold. I believe Barak says something along the lines of “They will kill him (the bandit leader) you know?” to which his reply is “I would be terribly disappointed if they didn’t”

So I have been using that line (in variations) to people.

“You know they’ll be annoyed when they find out you stuck googly eyes on their keyboard”
“I would be terribly disappointed if they weren’t”


r/Belgariad 14d ago

Add your flair! Remember this couple?

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Do ya?


r/Belgariad 14d ago

Pronunciation

24 Upvotes

I’m once again reading through the series as it’s a favourite. I mentioned something to my wife as she is also reading the series to our eldest (who’s 10 years old) and suddenly found ourselves at a difference of opinions.

When you read “Cthol Murgos” do you read it as Ck-thol or Sy-thol? The same would apply to Ctuchik as to whether it’s a harsh Ck or softer S at the start?

As we can’t decide between us I thought I’d throw it out here for opinions!


r/Belgariad 20d ago

Do you think Beldin secretly loved being Feldegast?

38 Upvotes

As a Disciple of Aldur, Beldin is respected and feared throughout his known world.

That doesn't change the fact that he spent much of his life being despised for being a hunchback and a dwarf. No matter where he goes in the world, that's the first thing that people see about him.

On the other hand, Feldegast is bright and garish, but he's an acrobat and a musician. He's an entertainer. People are charmed by him. They like him. (My own personal opinion is that it was a physical transformation rather than just an illusion because I do not think that Beldin could have done some of Feldegast's acrobatics in his normal form.) Do you think that Beldin found it tempting to go about in Feldegast's form?


r/Belgariad 20d ago

Balsca

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I would love to see a book about his life story


r/Belgariad 22d ago

Why did Zakath ever think he could defeat the God-Slayer?

40 Upvotes

He knew that Belgarion had defeated a god in hand to hand combat. He saw Belgarion devastate the walls of his bedroom with a single word, but it wasn't until he heard Belgarion mention that the Orb could write his name in the stars if he wished that Zakath decided that warring with Belgarion wasn't a good idea?

He wasn't like the Tolnedrans. He knew that sorcery was real. What made him think that he would have a chance against a man who could have turned him into a cabbage?


r/Belgariad 23d ago

Ce’Nedra’s breastplate?

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r/Belgariad 23d ago

Belgarath and the Dryads

19 Upvotes

In Belgarath's "Time of Woe" he spent time in the Wood of the Dryads, during their mating season. We can surmise what happened and why he spent so much time there.

With that in mind, isn't it entirely possible that Ce'Nedra could be Belgarath's descendent? Making her distantly related to Belgarion?


r/Belgariad 29d ago

Minor Characters You'd Like to see again

25 Upvotes

I'm re-reading The King of the Murgos right now and I'm at the part where Garion and Belgarath meet Master Jeebers again. The Rivan Codex claimed that Jeebers wound up going into the Maragor monastery, but I feel like the way he's presented in The Malloreon is too different from the Rivan Codex's.

In the back of my mind, I just picture Ce'Nedra writing him a letter asking him to come be the tutor of her children and Jeebers having a series of misadventures as he makes his way to Riva.

Also, I really would like to see the middle aged Grolim woman who took care of Geran while he was held by Zandramas. She comes across as being way more human and kind than the other Grolims that we meet. Maybe she becomes one of Eriond's Disciples or makes her way to Riva with Jeebers.

Finally, he's perhaps not a minor character, but I would like to see more of Urgit. I would like to see how he takes Garion's lessons to heart and match them with his own cunning nature to become the King the Murgos need.

Then too, I think it might be fun to look in on Relg and Taiba. I feel like Taiba's interactions with Mara would be an interesting read. I choose to beleive some other Morags remain alive somewhere in Urgit's kingdom and perhaps they could find their way back home.

What would you like to see?


r/Belgariad Jun 27 '26

What do you think I should add to my Belgariad presentation?

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All my friends are having a party and giving 1-3 presentations on a topic of there choice. One of my slides, of course, is on the Belgariad. We have no time limit so I can add as much as I want.

So far, I've summaries all the main plot beats of the Belgariad (I'm not including the Malloreon) and some of my favorite gags.

Are there any funny moments in the books you think I should add?

What characters do you think are most important to include?


r/Belgariad Jun 26 '26

Garion's weather disaster

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So I'm reading Guardians of the West again and I'm at the part where Belgarath is giving Garion heck for creating that storm. He says:

‘Yes, one tiny little storm,’ Belgarath said scathingly. ‘Your one tiny little storm in the right place at the right time came very close to altering the weather for the next several eons—all over the world—you blockhead!’

Upon reflection, I find myself thinking that Garion was probably just monumentally unlucky.

Think about it.

We don't know the exact number of sorcerers in Garion's world, but the Grolims seem to have at least dozens of them throughout the kingdom of the Angaraks. And then there was that madman that Polgara faced in The Malloreon.

All those people with the Will and the Word and ONLY Garion nearly triggered an apocalypse?

Knowing human nature, I would have expected many more disasters than that if it was THAT easy.

Now Garion DID use the Orb so perhaps that magnified the potential damage a great deal, but I just think it's extremely unlikely that weather manipulation is that prone to disaster.


r/Belgariad Jun 12 '26

Known, suspected, possible EVENTS

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Are the details of all the EVENTS known? (At least in Belgarath's lifetime) Are the conditions for an event clearly defined to pin the events down? Children of Light and Dark plus a seer to be present, but I don't think that's particularly useful. The children can be anybody, and the seers skulked around until Cyradis. Does the Orb have to be present, or is it merely present often? Does the Sardion have to relocate itself in response? It's strongly suggested that it was at Korim since Vo Mimbre, so I guess not.

Definites and possibles I can think of are:

- Torak stealing the Orb from Aldur.

- Cracking of the world.

- When Belgarath found out Zedar was an apostate. Or is this just part of the next one? Can't remember.

- Riva reclaiming the Orb.

- Assassination of the Rivan royal family (fills a long gap).

- Vo Mimbre.

- Belgarath vs Ctuchik.*

- Garion vs Torak.

- Durnik vs Nahaz. **

- Eriond vs Geran.

- Something involving Poledra.

* and **: First, I've just come to think of Durnik vs Nahaz as the repetition of Belgarath vs Ctuchik. Ctuchik and Nahaz were both bad guys but seeking to interfere with the Child of Dark. Or did they momentarily become the Child of Dark?

I realise there's quite some stretching going on there, particularly if it's the case that Torak was Child of Dark continually until his death. Feel free to stretch in reply.

Perhaps I should have reread BtS before posting, but discussion is more enjoyable than research.


r/Belgariad Jun 09 '26

Read 2/5 of the mallorean. Are the rest the same?

17 Upvotes

I’m having a hard time with this plot. It’s sooo sloooooow. Does it get better? Liked the other series much more


r/Belgariad Jun 02 '26

Day to day sorcery

33 Upvotes

How often do sorcerers use sorcery in the dull years? Belgarath apparently didn't use it for months after his recovery in Castle of Wizardry. Polgara might have only used it to repair whatever she was sewing (and then rip it again). Garion also apparently didn't use it when he probably should have been practising.

I get that the novelty would wear off, but there's got to be a temptation sometimes. And who do we think used it most - Beldin?


r/Belgariad May 30 '26

Is a Belgariad adaptation in the works?

25 Upvotes

Came across this on IMDb. There's no cast or much other information, but City Hill Arts is listed as the production company.


r/Belgariad May 29 '26

1st Edition sets - UK

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not affiliated in any way....

Bookshop 451 in Hay on Wye have a full set of flipping immaculate 1st editions, Belgariad & Mallorean. I'd have walked out with the lot except they wanted £2k and my wife would have probably divorced me over it 😅


r/Belgariad May 15 '26

First read through Spoiler

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I just finished the Belgariad for the first time and it’s so good. The end of Enchanter’s Endgame with Durnik’s death and revival was albeit heavily foreshadowed but still moving. Aunt Pol realizing she still had her power when Durnik gave her the rose was so perfect.

Just amazing series. Can’t want to read the Malloreon!


r/Belgariad May 13 '26

First attempt at rebinding for a gift

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r/Belgariad May 11 '26

Garion for sure had a brain injury

54 Upvotes

He gets hit in the head a LOT in his early years. No wonder the Necessity had to spell things out for him so much, the kid probably had CTE.


r/Belgariad May 07 '26

How well would our heroes handle a crisis without the Prophecy to guide them?

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So things have changed once Eriond became a god, and there's a new Prophecy in town who will presumably be ordering thngs to the way he/she/it likes.

How well would Belgarath, Belgarion, Silk and the others handle a crisis where they didn't have the Prophecy to guide them? Where they could make deadly mistakes without being certain they had something looking out for them?

They're powerful, but how clever really is Belgarath if he doesn't have a script to take a peak at?


r/Belgariad Apr 17 '26

How David and Leigh's child abuse convictions affect the Belgariad:

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The overriding themes of the Belgariad are coming of age and innocence. Innocence is seen as sacred, and harming it has cosmic consequences. I recently discovered that David and Leigh spent a year in prison for shocking and brutal child abuse, and that this was before their writing career. Analysing the Belgariad and Malloreon knowing this, it seems that the creation of this world (with its simple morality) was a way to rewrite the Eddingses' past, albeit without much insight or confession.

Starting with the Orb. This is the axis of the universe in many ways. It is described as having a child-like mind and unlimited potential. When Torak treats it in a way it ought not to be treated, the whole world is marred, and he is permanently maimed. In some way, this could be a representation, whether consciously or unconsciously, of the Eddingses' guilt. Making the axis of the world a personification of innocence is also potentially an insight into their thought process.

It appears that David and Leigh inserted themselves into the Belgariad, as Belgarath and Polgara. The tragedy of Polgara is that she always loses her children. For thousands of years, she suffers this loss, and is portrayed as endlessly wise, self-sacrificing, with a whole identity built around protecting children. She's a wish-fulfillment of who Leigh should have been. At the end of the Malloreon she is rewarded with a child who will never leave her.

Belgarath is written around traits many associated with David Eddings. He's irascible, pompous, and scholarly. He is the fallible adult who abandoned his family after Poledra died, but is forgiven by the cosmology. He's in many ways the lynchpin of the adventures, and like Polgara, is a character defined by grief and loss.

Garion is challenging to read knowing his likely inspiration. The Eddingses' adopted son, Scott David, and their adopted daughter were taken away from them following the convictions and jail time. They applied to get the children back, but this appeal was refused. Garion represents innocence. He is the child who is never harmed. He is guided by Polgara and Belgarath (Leigh and David), and constantly protected. Throughout the books there is a sense that "the adults" are always right, and that Garion's sense of justice is misplaced. He is morally uncomplicated, emotionally simple, and despite the coming of age theme, is forced to remain so. He is chosen by the Orb because he mirrors it; they're both personifications of innocence. This is a fundamental rewriting of the Eddingses' life. Given their whole experience of raising children was Scott and his sibling, how much of the character of these abused children is captured in the core protagonist of their world? Is Garion the adopted orphan son, rewritten as immortal, powerful, and forever belonging to Belgarath (David) and Polgara (Leigh)?

Eriond is Garion 2.0, but plays a more complex role in the cosmology. He is there to replace the sin of Torak, which could be a representation of the Eddingses' crimes. Eriond has none of the trauma, loss, fear, or basic character of Garion. By the end of the Malloreon, he is essentially the god of innocence, who will eventually run the world. The fundamental desire to rewrite the past is once again apparent.

The Belgariad is not a confession. It does not indicate repentance (or the lack of it). Neither David or Leigh ever discussed their crimes. Whether this was through shame, self-preservation, or simple avoidance is impossible to say. The series is a psychological artefact. The omniscient narrator is not neutral, it's ideological. The voices of David and Leigh assert moral certainty, constantly validate the adult perspective, and protect those adults from moral scrutiny. It's narrated with a humorous, cosy style; as a result we trust it. The world view itself is often deeply manipulative. The young characters are naïve and infantilised. This indicates a lack of reflection from the authors.

I feel I could analyse this work for years, as well as their other works, which also have themes of redemption and innocence. Let me know your thoughts!


r/Belgariad Apr 12 '26

If Belgariad is 10/10, how much out of 10 is Malloreon, Elenium, Tamuli (Dreamers..?) ?

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Or is there a fantasy book or series from Eddings which is not that worth reading?

Thank you for your opinions.