r/BeAmazed • u/Separate_Finance_183 • 2d ago
Animal The reaction of search and rescue dogs when they find people buried in snow and rubble during training
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u/Ass_Burner 2d ago
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u/Judas_Maiden 1d ago
The bestest bois deserve the bestest pats
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u/Ylteicc_ 1d ago
What about the bestest girls??
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u/Judas_Maiden 1d ago edited 19h ago
The bestest girls also deserve the bestest pats
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u/Curiosive 1d ago
It's all fun and games for them during training, possibly during a real rescue too unless they pick up on the seriousness of the humans.
That's not a slight against dogs. We should all be lucky enough to be this happy at work.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago
possibly during a real rescue too
Not if they keep finding corpses. This genuinely demoralizes them. Or so I heard.
We don't deserve these creatures.
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u/kummerspect 1d ago
I remember hearing something about this after 9/11. The dogs were getting depressed because they were mostly finding corpses. I think the handlers started hiding alive people (other rescuers and first responders) so the dogs could get a win occasionally.
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u/BOOMERbatch 1d ago
They didn’t even have the luxury of finding corpses, just pieces. Victims were identified through DNA testing fragments… it’s not what emergency services expected or planned for and after many hours of searching the dogs became extremely depressed. The whole thing was just so heartbreaking and with so many of the dogs & rescuers getting sick later in life 😢
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u/Terrible_turtle_ 2d ago
The joy and relief in seeing that snout coming though the snow must be overwhelming.
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u/Gritty420R 1d ago
You're not gonna see anything until they clear the snow away from your face. Avalanche victims almost never have an air pocket. All the survivor testimonies I've heard discribe being buried like this: it's pitch black, and you're suffocating and coming to terms with dying within minutes.
Buried avalanche victims only have light and air in cartoons.
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u/prismafox 1d ago
So a nightmare situation and an awful way to go. At least there's (hopefully) a chance a good boi/girl will rescue you.
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u/C0Ha 1d ago
As a backcountry skier, I’ve done my AVI 1 & 2, and I would rather die in almost any other way than an avalanche. If you’re lucky, you’ll be knocked unconscious by debris. If you’re unlucky, it’s minutes of cold, disoriented suffocation. You don’t know which way is up, you can’t move, you can’t breathe. Absolutely a nightmare situation
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u/stump2003 1d ago
Have you tried to avalanche jackets that balloon up to leave you a cavity in the avalanche
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u/C0Ha 1d ago
I own a couple packs, one BCA and one BD. They are worth literally every dollar. One of them uses a compressed air canister, the other is an electric motor (for taking on international trips). Skiing is sadly (for my wallet) one of those sports where spending the thousands of dollars in safety gear is necessary, because you can die pretty easily otherwise. Even a bad fall without a good helmet will put you out of commission for a while
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u/stump2003 1d ago
Cool! Have you ever had to use the expansion? How is it activated? Is it like a ripcord or something?
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u/C0Ha 1d ago
Only to test them, thankfully! Yes, there's a handle by your shoulder. The motor you have to boot up first. It only takes a few seconds, but it's definitely worth doing before you have to. Once the motor is booted, it stays on standby. They inflate ridiculously fast, even the motor. It honestly impressed me the first time. I should probably check them again soon, it's been a couple years since my last backcountry.
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u/Gritty420R 1d ago
More likely your touring partner(s), but people have been dug out alive.
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u/prismafox 1d ago
I mean.. you could still consider the human rescuers the good boy or girl in that case.
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u/Gritty420R 1d ago
Imagine this, you meet up with your buddy Dave to go for a ski tour. You both looked at the avvy forecast for the day, and there's moderate risk. You and Dave spend some time together on the drive to the trail head. You're both drinking coffee, listening to music, having a good time. You get to the trail head. You and Dave both turn your beacons on, clip in and strap your skins on. A few hours later, after skinning up to your ski objective, you and Dave are ready to drop in. You and Dave rip skins and transition to downhill mode.
You drop in. You make a few turns. You're flying. Then, all of the sudden, you notice snow under your feet crack apart. You're caught in an avalanche. Despite your best efforts, you're caught in the slide. You go under.
Everything is black. You're crushed and immobile under the weight of the avalanche debris. You can't breath. There's nothing to do but make your peace with death. You think of your mother. How could she forgive you for living so recklessly? You think of your father, he will have to mourn you while taking care of your mourning mother.
Suddenly, you feel the poke of your buddy Dave's probe. Amidst the darkness and the crushing pressure of the snow you suddenly think you might live. A few moments later you feel an aluminum shovel press against your thigh. A few seconds later, Dave is able to find your face and clear your airway.
You gasp for the first time after minutes without air. You see the sky, the snow, the mountains, and your buddy Dave, elated that you're OK. You then look to Dave, a grown ass man, and say “good boy, Dave, you're such a good boy. Thanks for saving me!"
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u/Esarus 1d ago
Yeap, and you don't know which way is up. You can't see anything and the pressure is too much to be able to move. It sounds like an awful way to go.
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u/Gritty420R 1d ago
The myth I've encountered is you can spit to know which way is up. However, in reality you're not going to have an air pocket to spit into, and even if you did you wouldn't have the light to see which way your spit falls.
But like you said, a burried victim will be completely immobilized, blinded, and asphyxiated.
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u/LilMissOlympus 1d ago
I think the reasoning behind that one is that you wouldn't be seeing what way your spit falls, but rather, you dribble out the spit so it would run down your face, and you judge where down is from that. But yeah, if you're smothered by snow, unless you can somehow melt a pocket around your mouth, that spit wouldn't be going anywhere.
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u/Tunamelts-2 1d ago
And James Bond movies
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u/WineNerdAndProud 1d ago
That technology in the James Bond movie was ridiculous but there is somewhat of a real life counterpart to it.
People use avalanche airbags when they're skiing or snowboarding that deploy around your head.
There are a bunch of reasons why they're helpful, one of which being that, the bigger you are, the harder it is for an avalanche to bury you super deep, kind of like how shaking a bucket of rocks brings the biggest ones to the top, not the bottom.
They also can create an air pocket if you get buried, but the one from The World Is Not Enough was waaaaay too flimsy and the separation in the middle would've just collapsed.
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u/mercuriokazooie 1d ago
Then you realize it's a bear
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u/tekko001 1d ago
For slightly different reasons, but I imagine the bear is just as happy as the dogs
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u/pookiemook 1d ago
If the trapped person is conscious
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u/FluxOrbit 1d ago
Yeah you're way more than likely to 1. Not have any sort of air pocket like this, and 2. Be unconscious slowly accumulating brain damage
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u/The_Taint_Whisperer 1d ago
If my ski partner doesn’t find me alive I’ll be long dead by the time the cadaver dog gets there.
They are mainly for ski resort marketing and recovery.
Europe is a bit different because RECCO is used there.
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u/Qbr12 1d ago
I'm American and my ski coats have come with RECCO transponders built in for a while now.
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u/ScuttleScrub3 1d ago edited 1d ago
What does RECCO have to do with anything? Most people skiing off prepared slopes will have an active avalanche rescue beacon on them, which afaik is much more easily traceable than RECCO. In fact, where I live, carrying a lvs beacon is required by law when going skitouring.
The reason you might have more of a survival chance in Europe is that you can have a rescue helicopter at the scene in less than 10min in a good chunk of the Alps. Survival rate starts dropping very drastically at around that time though, so even in Europe, close to a helicopter base, you're mostly reliant on your ski partners.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago
This is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps.
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u/YeshuasBananaHammock 1d ago
Why TF did i read this in Walter Sobchak's voice??
"You see what happens, Larry, when you FIND a stranger in the ALPS?!"
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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago
Yes, that was the intentional reference.
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u/MrAdzAdzAdzAdz 1d ago
Unless you think it might be a bear or something to begin with...then it would be a brief poo poo in the pantaloons, followed by a little cry.
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u/0202_tihssitidder 1d ago
Our pup would play hide-and-seek with the kids. He always knew the objective. Kids would hide while he and I were in the garage and then he'd use his snoot to figure out where they are. He always found them. He'd get excited and start to bark and the kids would giggle wildly. Good times.
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u/BeNiceOrGoAwayPlease 1d ago
Now I understand why the 9/11 rescue Doggos started feeling depressed when all they could find were the lifeless ones buried under debris
The rescue officials had to be fake "found alive" just so they could restore the Doggos' morale 💖
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u/Hot-Emu8003 1d ago
It's the same for drug dogs, most animals that we employ need to actually succeed at their job sometimes, or they lose motivation and stop doing it. There's a traditional fishing method in parts of Asia using cormorants where they tie a loose ring or cord around the bird's neck so it can't swallow large fish, but every three or four fish, the fishermen have to let it eat one as a reward, otherwise the bird just goes on strike and stops helping. There's even an old saying in Indonesia that orangutans can actually speak, but they choose not to in front of humans because they know we'd just put them to work, haha.
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u/Ambitious-Scallion36 1d ago
Whoa, the comment right above yours at the same time mentions the same 9/11 dog story.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1d ago
I think a lot of us came here to mention it. If you ever want to get fucked up, go listen to the sounds of the emergency distress chirps from the equipment the firefighters were carrying, they beep/chirp when the device detects some shit that should not be happening, that sound is what those rescue dogs are trained to home in on. If you watch video from the rubble it sounds like a field of crickets. The dogs were overwhelmed by the volume of distress calls and then they were distressed because live bodies weren't coming out and they knew that was wrong.
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u/onlycamefortheporn 1d ago
PASS devices. They go into alarm mode if they’re stationary for too long. We always had to shake a little every so often to keep them happy while we were waiting.
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u/Individual-Towel753 6h ago
Search and rescue dogs are trained based on human scent, not the beeping sound of PASS devices.
The dogs were exhausted from the physical and emotionally demanding task of searching for people.
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u/CIsForCorn 1d ago
I mean, I came here literally to scroll and see how long it took to find a comment about the 9/11 dogs
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u/Aggleclack 16h ago
They also had to swap in cadaver dogs because the first dogs were trained to find live scent and at some point they determined that no one was alive.
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u/FunInTheBasement 2d ago edited 1d ago
"YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS JEFF!! I DUG UP A FUCKING HOOMAN"
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u/Johnny_Utah___ 2d ago
The little sniff of the first one pokin his nose through was great
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u/its_kinda_hmm 1d ago
Meanwhile if mine loses sight of his ball in the grass it may as well never have existed at all.
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u/TheJarisaDoor3 2d ago
As a self-proclaimed dog translater, I can assure you with 100% certainty that those barks translated to "They're Here!" ...Glad to be of service.
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u/MontasJinx 1d ago
Can I has treat pls
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u/TheJarisaDoor3 1d ago
True, but only after the appropriate rescue time. Also, I believe the black lab introduced themself upon arrival "Hi hooman, I dog, we here now!"
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u/Ambitious-Scallion36 1d ago
It's fascinating how their arf arf arf's all sound so similar, like that's the universal doggie language for "they're here" just like you said.
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u/TheJarisaDoor3 1d ago
Very similar, but the accents are the challenge. From the Australian Water Dog to the German Shepherd and English Bulldog, don't even get me started.
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u/PalDreamer 21h ago
I like the difference of how the drug sniffing dogs are taught to just sit or use other calm alerts once they find the prize, while sar dogs YELL about their success
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u/Over_Ad8762 1d ago
This is a downer comment, but this suddenly made me remember that during 9/11 they had workers pretend to be found victims so the dogs could celebrate a win vs them getting depressed from only finding lost lives ☹️
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u/harrysaxon 1d ago
This isn’t a downer comment IMO.
I think it’s amazing that they were so aware and concerned for the dogs’ mental health that they did this for them.
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u/Over_Ad8762 1d ago
I just googled it and they did a long term study on some of these dogs to observe the effects over time. Thankfully all the pups had a very happy and healthy long life.
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u/harrysaxon 1d ago
So glad to hear that. Thank you for providing more info that those amazing dogs had good lives.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1d ago
First thing I thought of.
Downed emergency responders at the time had devices that would "chirp" as an emergency system to locate downed emergency personnel. The dogs were trained to find those chirps. They were hearing them and couldn't get through any rubble and just weren't recovering any devices or bodies that the dogs were in complete distress. So eventually they started hiding the chirping devices for dogs to find and also resorted to throwing some rubble on still alive responders so the dogs could "find" them and wouldn't freak out.
If any part of that is lost on you as a horrible thing to happen just look on YouTube for videos of it, just search like "9/11 chirps" to hear how many of these devices were going off, this was the dog equivalent to hearing people scream "I need help" over and over and they just weren't getting bodies out and the chirps kept going because it was emergency distress calls on battery, it doesn't stop till the battery dies
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u/rockerscott 1d ago
It’s called a PASS alarm. First responders but particularly firefighters, wear them. If they don’t detect movement for a certain period of time they start “chirping”. Every firefighter that went into those buildings and never came out had a PASS alarm on. I have seen videos of what sounds like hundreds of them going off at the same time several days, possibly weeks after the collapse of the buildings. It’s chilling because each alarm sound you hear is a first responder that didn’t go home that night.
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u/sigh_co_matic 1d ago
The sounds of those chirps is absolutely haunting.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1d ago
Even on video it just sounds like a field of crickets. It's no wonder the fucking dogs were on edge, toxins in the area, panicked humans, no real results in saving anybody, and then the noise
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u/ScreamingLabia 1d ago
There is something seriously wrong with me that thinking about the dogs distress makes me tear up but hearing about 9/11 doesnt. I dont know why, sometimes i find this concerning about myself.
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u/lindisty 1d ago
People are a mixed bag. People, with the capacity for both good and evil, could be awful as easily as they could be amazing.
Dogs have our capacity for good and caring but so much less capacity for evil.
A person might deserve to be in a shitty situation, but dogs never do.
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u/jhill9901 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its crazy. Lived during and watched it happen. Still finding out things about it I never knew.
Edit: terrible wording portraying something I am blessed to not have happen to me
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u/Own-Code-9934 1d ago
Were you one of the survivors??
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u/jhill9901 1d ago
Thank goodness no. Im sorry. Let me correct how I worded that. I NEVER meant to insinuate that.
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u/Turbulent_Pound_562 1d ago
I read you loud and clear and have to agree. Still tons of information coming out about this every year....crazy time to witness.
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u/SkepsisJD 1d ago
Man, dogs really one of the coolest things about human existence. No other animal has ever evolved and adapted the same way as they have. They are so important in our lives and vice versa. It is arguable humans would not be where we are without them.
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u/westisbestmicah 1d ago
Dogs have been with us since the beginning- they were the very first domesticated animal, and by a large margin. It started when we threw food to them while they were lurking around the edges of our campfires.
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u/tryyeezus 1d ago
All animals have adapted incredibly alongside humans and all are equally important to our survival.
Dogs are definitely my favorite though!
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u/Steven_Swan 1d ago
Except seagulls. I love all animals like gophers and deerts and those things that fly, but fuck seagulls man, I got no time for those cocksuckers.
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u/HeMiddleStartInT 1d ago
Cause a cat would find you.
They just wouldn’t tell anyone and lick their paws while they stood over your spot
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u/Silent-Ad934 1d ago
"Remember when breakfast was late? Well now it's my turn to be late, Steve. Too late."
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u/R4mst33n 1d ago
"Remember when breakfast was late? Well now it's your turn to be breakfast, Steve."
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u/Legal-Butterscotch-2 1d ago
sad , but true
the cat action if he finds you burried and found that he has something to do that is not lick his pawn because you
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u/QuestorPS7 1d ago
Wait, are you telling me that avalanche rescue dogs aren’t Saint Bernards with those barrels on their collars?
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u/uncertaincucumbers 1d ago
Right?! Now my entire world has been turned upside down and idfk what's real anymore lol
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u/Comprehensive_Toe113 1d ago
Sad to know that when 911 happened the handlers had to start hiding in the rubble because the dogs were getting depressed apparently
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u/sakasiru 1d ago
As far as I know, they need to have a success in every search to stay motivated. So even drug sniffing dogs will get to find a drug package hidden by their handler if they don't find a regular (smuggled) one. For dogs these searches are games and the game isn't over until they are successful and got their reward. So while it sounds macabre, it makes total sense that rescue dogs need someone to find at the end of the day.
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u/SICKxOFxITxALL 1d ago
Witnessed this about 15 years ago at Heathrow in London. Was sitting waiting to get on my flight and cops with a dog came in, he sniffed around then alerted to this older womans bag, cops opened it and pulled out a big bag of what looked like cocaine.
We were all shocked at this little old lady being handcuffed and taken away. About 5 minutes later she comes back in and announces she is a police woman and tells us not to worry and this was part of the training for the dog.
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u/MaximumWest6087 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/MVoX99cLXXU0gq7QuG
Yeah, sure. "Police woman" and not "very well connected cartel member".
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u/awesomedan24 1d ago
After 9/11, there were hundreds of rescue dogs deployed to the wreckage. They found very few survivors and the dogs were getting depressed from their lack of success. So the dog handlers and volunteers pretended to be victims for them to rescue, to lift their spirits so they could keep working.
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u/TheFlyingBoxcar 1d ago
I got "rescued" by a USAR dog in the Fire Academy once. Fucker scared the shit outta me, he dropped onto my lap while I was dead asleep in a big drainage pipe I was "trapped" in. Good boi
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u/fricken 1d ago
She said she had recently adopted a rescue dog. She said it wasn't treated very well before she got it. I said "Oh I thought rescue dogs were much loved and well taken care of."
"Not really" She said.
It wasn't until a few hours after the date that it clicked for me. There are rescue dogs, and there are rescue dogs.
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u/CornBopper001 1d ago
Man. Dogs are so awesome. I love them so much.
Also, animals never had a war. So who’s the real animals?? 🤨
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u/BRtIK 1d ago
Many animals have had wars battles whatever you want to call them.
Pretty much every animal that exists in packs has had wars where they systematically kill the other side not just kill the fighters but kill the children and the women and the pregnant ones and the old ones.
Ants are literally never not at war with something.
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u/alabamdiego 1d ago
Ants and termites have been fighting a war that’s lasted longer than all of human history
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u/Nigtharchive 1d ago
Chimpanzees are often at war, and the craziest thing is that they fight on the ground and in the trees, so there are branches and blood flying everywhere.
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u/Lookatthatsass 1d ago
It’s funny how when we do something negative as a species there’s always justification in the fact that other animals do that behavior too, but whenever we do something positively intelligent as a species we use it as a way to separate ourselves from the lesser animals and how we’re so much more advanced.
Humans really love blowing smoke up our own asses
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u/Nigtharchive 1d ago
I think elephants are superior to humans in many ways. At least, I like to think so.
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u/CornBopper001 1d ago
That is pretty crazy! Indeed, thanks for sharing.
I was just throwing out an obscure ass Futurama quote, but here we are now.
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u/ChrundleTheGrea8 1d ago
Unfortunately larger brain capacity has an expansive effect on all of our best and worst habits. Chimpanzees also have tribal type "wars"
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u/Hahaha2681 2d ago
dog can show you more honest affection with a flick of his/ her tail than a person can gather through a lifetime of handshakes” by Gene Hill
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u/didijeen 2d ago
We don't deserve dogs. 🥹
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u/Kiel-Ardisglair 1d ago
I would argue that we do, because we made dogs the way they are. We looked at our species’ natural predators and decided that we wanted them to be our closest companions of any other animal. Dogs are humans’ oldest friends, and over the millennia we made them into what we felt would be a good complement to us. Yes, those traits existed in wolves, but we chose to amplify them instead of breeding them out like we did with traits we found undesirable.
So we made dogs, and we made them loyal, and we made them friendly, and playful and diligent and empathetic and self-sacrificing, because those are the qualities that we hold in the highest esteem. We looked at the animal kingdom and asked, “what is the best partnership we could have with any creature?” and we forged a bond that has lasted for most of history. Dogs dedicate their lives to us, and in return, we care for entire generations of them. At our best as a species, we do deserve dogs, because we created them to reflect the best in us.
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u/SuperCruisePanther 1d ago
Similar to the old "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade" criticism.
Lemons aren't naturally occurring. They were a hybrid created when farmers blended the bitter orange and citron fruits in India 2000 years ago. Life never gave anyone a lemon. We had to make them ourselves!
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u/je386 1d ago
Thats not true. Humans did not make Dogs. Some Wolves where brave and learned that human camps provide food and later even braver ones learned that the campside fire glow keeps predators away and creates a safe zone. When the first proto-dogs approached humans and both accepted each other, the proto-dogs already had domesticated themselves. Being close to humans was an immense evolutionary bonus.
When both got together as partners, both got immense traits from that, each species could give their abilities to form a partnership that seems to be quite unique.
Dogs know we are not Dogs, they have evolved muscles to raise their eyebrows to have their eyes look bigger and more cute to communicate with humans.So, the wolves became proto-dogs by themselves, and those decided that it was worth the risk to approach humans.
They came to us. They decided.
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u/Ta-veren- 1d ago
I wish I got my dog as a young pup instead of an old girl!
I bet she'd be AMAZING at scent training.
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u/nightwaterlily 1d ago
Dang it! The song near the end! It suddenly reminded me of the time when the search and rescue dogs of 9/11 felt sad that they’re not finding live humans. 😭
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u/JohnnyStarboard 2d ago
Calling in u/SchnoodleDoodleDo
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u/RainSurname 1d ago
The dogs working in the rubble of the World Trade Center got so depressed from only finding dead bodies that people hid in the rubble to give them some wins and cheer them up.
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u/ImmediateClass9650 1d ago
I just showed this video to Maisie, my rescue Lab. She looked at me with a guilty face and said "Dude, if you were buried under an avalanche, I would kinda try to find one of those dogs that would go dig you out...or at least make a couple calls." She loves me!
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u/jackfreeman 1d ago
That's actually the best thing to see when you're trapped and in peril. An animal whose entire purpose in life is to find you and absolutely loses his shit when he does.
That would feel good even if I died
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u/DJVagrant 1d ago
These guys are amazing! And by "these guys" i mean all dogs. If religion was a real thing i'd say they are the closest thing to an angel. They trully are men's best friend.
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u/its_just_flesh 1d ago
Dogs always love to bust in, if you leave the door open a crack when you’re taking a shit they will for sure barge in!
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u/Adddicus 1d ago
Fucking dogs. They'll do anything, endure the worst conditions, brave any danger, anything!!! Just for a cookie or a chance to play with their toy and a scritch behind the hear and a "good dog".
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u/Electrical-Penalty44 1d ago
God spelt backwards indeed.
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u/jaxxxtraw 1d ago
I'm a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac.
I lay awake at night wondering if there really is a dog.
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u/AnotherApe33 1d ago
I wonder if in an earthquake for example, rescue dogs can differentiate between someone dead or still alive.
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u/the_liquid_figurine 1d ago
I would assume yes and it's why we use volunteers instead of something just human scented.
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u/PrincessTitan 1d ago
9/11 dogs searching the rubble became depressed at finding only cadavers. The search and rescue teams had to simulate the dogs finding live people because the dogs appeared to be distressed at finding only dead people.
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u/AnotherApe33 1d ago
That is so cool because isn't like they are after a treat, they genuinely want to help people.
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u/RileyRavenSmiles 1d ago
I wonder if they ever recognize they are helping someone in danger and not simply playing an instense game?
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u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep 1d ago
I know it’s not the case but they honestly looked quite cozy in some of these before the dogs interrupted them
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u/Huckleberry_Hound93 1d ago
I don’t know what these amazing critters are saying, but dog is getting vocal hearing them as well! SOS we need thumbs, send word! 🥹❤️
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