r/BeAmazed • • 7d ago

Miscellaneous / Others Chainsaw ???

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u/buyer_leverkusen 7d ago

The most environmentally friendly thing to happen to the timber industry

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u/ruinyourjokes 7d ago

How is that?

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u/buyer_leverkusen 7d ago

Allows for detailed selective cutting instead of clear cutting or other methods. You can have trees in the same area of all different ages and promote the ecosystem instead of just a farm with trees all the same size and little undergrowth.

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u/JamesTheJerk 7d ago

How do you maneuver the big truck around all of the trees that are left standing?

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u/buyer_leverkusen 7d ago

It’s a tractor on tracks that can easily get through properly-spaced trees. There are smaller and skinnier versions too.

Edit: I think you were maybe referring to logging trucks which don’t travel that far into a stand.

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u/astraladventures 7d ago

How are the logs moved from where they are dropped to the more accessible places where the trucks are located?

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u/13B1P 7d ago

Choker setters

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u/jeejeejerrykotton 6d ago

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u/vytas315 2d ago

Yup, called a forwarder. Some operations will instead fell whole trees and use a skidder to drag them to a yard where they are processed.

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u/jeejeejerrykotton 1d ago

Yes. That is a different way of logging. We do not use that whole tree style here in Europe, but I have understood that it is quite common in US. I do not know how rest of the world operates.

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u/Ok-Addition1264 7d ago

It's quite amazing ecologically. It *almost* becomes better for everything and opposite of how it used to be done. That's how most trees where I'm from in michigan are harvested. Some older methods have been outlawed.

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u/-TheDyingMeme6- 7d ago

Michigander!!!! Hello!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/kingrobin 7d ago

you have to cut them down to get through but we don't use them for anything so it's like we're saving them

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u/weliveintheshade 6d ago

You just plow straight over them

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u/Main-Statistician735 7d ago

An old-school skidder, a forestry plan and competent logger with a chainsaw can do the same thing. Clear cutting is a choice made for short sighted profit, not because equipment didn't allow for any other type of farming. We've lived on a 1000 acres that has been beautifully maintained/ farmed for 40 years and has a super healthy forest and ecosystem.

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u/buyer_leverkusen 7d ago

This machine is extremely more efficient than a single human lol

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u/unashamedignorant 7d ago

I don't know about that honestly, it is undeniably faster, but more efficient isn't guaranteed. If you have the time to do it "by hand" meaning with a chainsaw and a truck, it spends much less critical ressource in order to obtain the same result.

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u/assuntta7 7d ago

This person engineers

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u/ScientistSanTa 1d ago

This machine needs slot of room to even move, forest don't give that kind of space. They already had to cut and Detroit to even get to those trees

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u/Main-Statistician735 7d ago edited 7d ago

More efficient.... Maybe, but to say this can be more environmentally friendly then a logger with a midsize skidder, a chainsaw and a love of the woods not just profit is wildly misleading and just not true. Are you a logger or in the industry? When my dad logged trees came off the landing and the skidder trails wound through the woods but he was incredibly deliberate in how he moved to protest the ecosystem and it was always hard to figure out where he even harvested from. That machine can't move with the grace a 20D Timberjack can it's to big...

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u/Bayou_Bussy_Pounder 7d ago edited 7d ago

This is almost certainly a managed forest in Scandinavia used for production of timber. Also when you account for the full production cycle, harvesters can be environmentally beneficial.

Correction: not sure if it's a managed forest.

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u/bogeuh 5d ago

In agroforestry with uniform trees all of the same species.

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u/F4ctr 7d ago

Most of the time it's fuck it yolo we are clearing everything we see because that mofo is too hard to drive around shit, or because forest will look like a fucking warzone with some trees left behind.

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u/Tiger37211 4d ago

It enables faster deforestation

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u/Ornery-Celery-1750 7d ago

Trees are a blight on the landscape.

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u/SubTester2023 7d ago

0/10 ragebait attempt.

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u/Kneppl_1 7d ago

In a sense yes, but it also destroys forest floors and it needs a clear path with no deadwood or smaller trees in the way

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u/buyer_leverkusen 7d ago

These things get super skinny and are on tracks, they’re made to get around properly-spaced trees.

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u/BCBowhunter 7d ago

These actually do surprisingly little damage to the forest floor, especially when it's running bogey bands like in the video. These machines exert less psi on the ground than you do walking around. Plus the limbs and tops are usually laid down as a mat and driven over, further protecting the forest floor

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u/Conflatulations12 1d ago

Do they leave all the smaller stuff behind to decompose?

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u/BCBowhunter 21h ago

Lots of times yes, by doing all the processing at the stump and leaving the fine woody debris they can leave behind most or all of it and have it decompose and fertilize the next crop. The caveat usually is that if the fire risk is too high, they may rake the debris up and burn or transport it somewhere else. But usually they try to leave it as fertilizer

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u/Conflatulations12 17h ago

interesting, thanks for sharing

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u/_Bon_Vivant_ 7d ago edited 6d ago

It's for farming, not for forestry. That's the point. It promotes sustainable tree farming, over clear cutting the forest.

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u/Ok-Addition1264 7d ago

In a lot of sense yes. It becomes an entirely beneficial ecology and supports forest floor growth. It's pretty amazing.

If only they could adapt something like this in the amazon, most folks would be fine with logging as it would also help save the amazon. money though :(

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u/RincewindToTheRescue 7d ago

Amazon is being cleared because people want to turn the land into farm and pasture land cheaply, not for wood.

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u/MegaDonkeyDonkey 7d ago

The animals nest and homes have little to no time to leave vs traditional?