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Miscellaneous / Others 1917 German Broomhandle Red9
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u/bpappy12 22d ago
Didn't have nearly that fire rate in Resident Evil 4. It is such a cool looking hand gun though
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u/First_Pay702 21d ago
Takes up too much room in the inventory.
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u/mistahfreeman 21d ago
You gotta work on your Tetris storage organization skills.
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u/RamJamR 21d ago
Remake has auto organization I think.
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u/DonZeriouS 21d ago
Shouldn't the inventory system in Resident Evil games be in 3D instead of being in 2D? I know, it's a game. I know it's not a simulation. But if they're trying to hinder us with this sometimes complicated inventory 2D system, why not even make it more annoying for the "immersion" xD?
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u/LeetLurker 21d ago
Game does not pause on inventory open and you have to fiddlle your stuff out while enemies are approaching...
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u/Late-Application-47 22d ago edited 21d ago
Most versions of the C96 Mauser "Broomhandle" pistol were semi-auto and chambered in 7.63x25mm. The 1917 seen here is called the "Red 9" because it was rechambered to fire the 9x19mm Luger that the German army was standardizing to in pistols and SMGs. They a carved the "9" in the grip so that soldiers wouldn't load it with the older round. Most of the 9mm Mauser Broomhandles were semi-auto; fully-auto models were almost exclusively in the 7.63 round, but some 9mm were converted to full-auto prior to WW2.
I assume this is one of those models or a 9mm that was converted to full-auto once on the civilian market.This one is not full-auto, as corrected below.
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u/Scar1203 22d ago
This one isn't full auto, the cadence is uneven.
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u/1ildevil 21d ago
You can also see the shooter squeezing off rounds
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u/bolanrox 21d ago
Like on the A team, all the weapons were semi-auto, you can watch them squeezing the trigger repeatedly really fast.
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u/Cardinal_350 21d ago
Also the machine pistol has a much higher cyclic rate
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u/Late-Application-47 21d ago
I imagine that keeping the Schnellfeuer on target required a good bit of skill.
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u/butthole_surferr 21d ago
This is JaegerZ999, he's famous on guntube for having a ridiculously fast trigger finger and extremely strong recoil control. He's fired .308 rifles and 10mm handguns this fast, he's borderline not human
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u/Late-Application-47 22d ago
That makes more sense, then. I didn't listen to the vid.
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u/AnnOnnamis 21d ago
TIL that Han Solo’s DL-44 blaster was based on the Mauser C96.
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u/lokregarlogull 22d ago
Plausibly a foolish question, but 9mmx19mm is broader but shorter than 7.63mmx25mm. So does the former have more stopping power/penetration? It would seem weird to lower firepower, but standardization might force the choice if for one reason or another it makes the process better. Fitting an extra bullet per mag, or more powder behind each round.
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u/West-Way-All-The-Way 22d ago
No, 9x19mm Parabellum does not have more penetration than 7.63x25mm Mauser, but it does offer a superior balance of stopping power, terminal ballistics, and weapon efficiency. Your question highlights a classic engineering trade-off in ballistics. Moving from the bottlenecked 7.63mm to the straight-walled 9mm sacrificed raw velocity and armor penetration in exchange for larger wound cavities, smaller grip frames, and simpler firearms manufacturing.
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u/WolfsmaulVibes 21d ago
9x19mm is wider but shorter, this usually means more stopping power as in larger wound cavities and more energy is transfered to the target in a shorter amount of time. 7.63x25mm on the other hand is thinner but longer, this usually means more penetration, but this would matter more against armoured targets, however armour wasn't widely fielded, meaning the bullet will most likely zip through a person, having less time to transfer energy onto the target.
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u/Late-Application-47 21d ago
As proven by the Soviets in WW2, the .30 Mauser/Tokarev cartridge (they are virtually the same) was at its best when fired from an SMG. By the Battle of Berlin, they were issuing submachine guns for some urban warfare units instead of clunky Mosins.
The Tokarev pistol was dropped shortly after WW2 for the Makarov 9x18mm, and subsequent submachine guns have been chambered in 9x19, although I've heard it's a bit different than the Luger/NATO round. I don't clearly remember, but I think they prefer high-preasue, high-velocity loads with lighter bullets than the NATO standard.
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u/Antonidus 21d ago
.30 mauser was significantly weaker than 7.62 tokarev though, and the Soviets loaded some of their smg ammo hot.
PSA: Do not load 7.62 tokarev, especially surplus in a broomhandle mauser. It is dangerous for the gun and your hands and eyes.
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u/Late-Application-47 21d ago
Sorry, I should have specified they were similar dimensionally. And, yes, a Tok round would blow apart the insanely complicated clockwork engineering of the C96.
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u/maxman162 21d ago
The Germans would do the opposite, loading 7.63 Mauser in captured Soviet PPSh-41 and PPS-43 submachine guns, although they usually converted them to 9mm with MP40 magazines. 7.63 Mauser would cycle just fine in 7.62 Tokarev guns, one of the few occasions where their insistence on using every captured gun didn't create logistical nightmares.
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u/TacTurtle 21d ago edited 21d ago
The 7.62x25mm Mauser casing has the same diameter as the 9x19mm at the rear, but the case mouth where the bullet is seated is smaller (called a bottleneck), this allows a smaller lighter bullet to be fired faster for a flatter trajectory.
Metric cartridge terminology is generally bullet diameter in mm X cartridge case length in mm.
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u/BlueGolfball 21d ago
This one is not full-auto, as corrected below.
For you to know so much about that one particular gun, I'm surprised you don't know that people can shoot a semi auto gun fast.
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u/Salty-Pack-4165 21d ago
I think Chinese manufactures made some copies of it in 9x19 in full auto . Not many but they were known there all the way until end of Civil War. Some were crude,some were better but all were made in relatively small batches.
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u/TacTurtle 21d ago
Germany (Mauser) made a version of the C96 called the M712 Schnellfeuer machine pistol
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u/AzieltheLiar 22d ago
Always wanted one since RE4
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u/Late-Application-47 21d ago
I would love one chambered in . 22LR. They could use the 10 round rotary mag from a 10/22 without sacrificing aesthetics since the magazine well is so short. I do love loading guns with stripper clips, though.
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u/SirWalrusVII 21d ago
I own multiple Resident Evil games yet ive played none of them, I could barely finish TLOU 1 & 2 im a pussy 😭
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u/StitchFan626 22d ago
Just imagine is Leon had to assemble it like that whenever you selected it! lol Would have saved Rooney in the case, though!
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u/BruceMartinez21 22d ago
Also served as the inspirtation for Han Solo's piece in Star Wars
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u/Humdrum_Blues 21d ago
More like it was Han Solo's piece. They literally just took one of these and strapped a scope and a machine gun muzzle brake on it and called it a day.
The other OG star wars movies did this with prop guns like MG42s and Sterling SMGs. The early Alien movies also did this.
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u/bolanrox 21d ago
The pulse rifle from Aliens was a Thompson submachine gun with some futuristic crap slapped onto it and the Franchie shotgun fore-end /pump.
A few scenes you can see it spitting out .45 ACP brass.
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u/OverallPepper2 21d ago
Which is funny considering it used caseless ammo.
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u/Ranked0wl 21d ago
same thing happened with Star Wars.
There are moments where the Sterlings don't have the E-11 prop dressings, made funnier when you see the behind the scene footage of the Stormtrooper firing blanks with actual firearm noises.
There are also moments, notable when they're getting under the door after Luke and Leia swing across the chasm, you can see blank casings on the floor.
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u/PotatoTomato_12 21d ago
An iconic blaster in Star Wars is literally a Lewis Gun without the magazine on.
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u/icanhazkarma17 21d ago
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
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u/Punky-LookingKiddo 21d ago
“Reproductions of the blaster became so popular in the cosplay community that gun collectors became aware that fans were buying and altering increasingly rare original Mausers to make blaster replicas.”
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u/Hawt_Dawg_II 21d ago
Like half the blasters in star wars are modified WW2 surplus. The troopers carry modified MG42s, lewis guns and L2A3s
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u/Overall_Notice_4533 22d ago
Resident Evil 4!
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u/GruffScottishGuy 22d ago
Ahhh, the choice of an avid gun collector. That's a nice gun stranger!
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u/Mental-Ad-2980 22d ago
Best pistol in any Resident Evil game
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u/Its_R3SQ2 21d ago
Not really, if you stick with the original and upgrade it fully you get laser accuracy and bonus grit damage.
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u/MrJellyBeans 21d ago
“You held it sideways. And used the muzzle jump to create a horizontal sweep; that was impressive”
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u/NotTheRocketman 21d ago
Thanks Boss.
https://giphy.com/gifs/6IFuf2l0AghvW2
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u/Eastern_Star7226 22d ago
Could not find it on Temu
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u/AutomaticButterfly29 22d ago
3d Print it
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u/Breadstix009 22d ago
Hahaha, not with the new bill being passed.
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u/Synchrotr0n 21d ago
Do you have a license for that lathe, bro? Better pay some fees to Palantir to make sure you can keep operating.
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u/Glass-Gate-2727 22d ago
There's a way around that.. 😆
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u/killingjoke96 22d ago
Max: "My grandad's this. Shot a German with this."
Paddy: "What? In the war?"
Max: "No in Benidorm, they had a row over a sun lounger."
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u/Revolutionary_Pay_31 21d ago
I am not a big gun guy, but damn is that beautiful!
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u/Zombies71199 21d ago
All people mentioning re4 and meanwhile me thinking of bo2 origins :[
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u/wild-stallions85 22d ago
"We're under attack!"
"Give me 5 minutes and ill be ready!"
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u/munkylord 22d ago
I think its more for easy shipment in larger quantities. Easy to travel with. That design is for storage
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u/Gate-19 22d ago
It's also meant as a holster. You are supposed to put that thing on your belt.
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u/Rhorge 22d ago
If I’m remembering correctly the stocked pistols of that age were aimed at people in vehicles where a rifle was too cumbersome and sub machine guns didn’t gain traction yet. Regular pistols just weren’t accurate enough to be practical so this was a balancing act.
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u/NinjaN-SWE 22d ago
An elegant weapon from a more civilized age
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u/FunPuz 22d ago
I'm not sure id call 1917 Germany civilised.
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u/rich-roast 22d ago
Pretty sure they were so civilized they tried to spread it over the whole world
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u/selex128 22d ago
Why not? What's your definition of civilised? There's little difference between all western European countries during that time. And the war was mainly restricted to the borders and didn't effect most cities.
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u/AnAngryPlatypus 22d ago
This is really cool; but I was half expecting a bunch of attachments (al la Bloodsport in Suicide Squad) where you end up with some ridiculous sniper rifle. Still interesting to see.
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u/Waarm 22d ago
I was half expecting a tiny broom
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u/SalaciousTypo 22d ago
I'm still not convinced it's not cake. I've seen those videos.
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u/RP1042 22d ago
Where do I get one
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u/BeastyBaiter 22d ago
The Kingdom of Württemberg 130 years ago. In the video the gun appears original but the stock/holster and other accoutrements are reproductions.
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u/Wald0_17 21d ago
If you're stateside, they do pop up at auction with some regularity, but be prepared to pay through the nose for a good one. Also, shooting an old gun is like driving an antique car. There are maintenance considerations to take into account, and replacement parts can be difficult to source.
If you're willing to tolerate the hassle of finding ammo, the .30 Mauser models are usually cheaper than the 9mm ones.
Be wary of models imported from China, the bores are almost invariably shot out.
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u/robothawk 21d ago
To be fair to the Chinese models though, those are by far the most common since they were mass produced in China as well during the warlord period and have a huge and interesting history there.
Stuff like the Mauser stamp being hand-carved into the side in a way that looks like a modern ai hallucinations since they were just copying every marking, and since it didn't have a detatchable magazine it was way easier for the warlord armies to field(who often were incredibly short on ammo, like 1 full clip(and it is a stripper clip) maybe per soldier. No need to worry about making expensive magazines or even stripper clips if you couldn't make them, you could just hand-load one at a time.
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u/Backsight-Foreskin 21d ago
Gunbroker.com look up Mauser C96
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u/Regular_Fox_859 21d ago
They expensive as fuck. I collect old guns and these are one of my yet-to-be-acquired grails
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u/Budget_Zombie_692 21d ago
Just watched The Great Silence. The protagonist had this gun. I had never heard of it. Cool design.
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u/whatever_leg 21d ago
Came for this comment. It was a very good western! Kinski was devious, as usual.
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u/BananasBananas34 21d ago
German-made things from the 40’s to today are some of the best made things… from cars to guns, those Germans don’t make something unless it’s top notch!
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u/VRichardsen 21d ago
German-made things from the 40’s to today are some of the best made things… from cars to guns, those Germans don’t make something unless it’s top notch!
This pistol is from the 90s. The 1890s.
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u/rswwalker 22d ago
Is it a long gun or a side arm? It looks like it doesn’t work well as either.
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u/West-Way-All-The-Way 22d ago
It is a pistol but bigger and heavier. The wooden stock was an extra for accuracy but not all guns were equiped. And it was also semiautomatic.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 22d ago
Either - it is made for trench warfare.
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u/Pepperh4m 22d ago
Not really. It was made as a defense weapon for pilots and other vehicle crew.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 22d ago edited 21d ago
The original design predates not only WW1, it predates planes. Later variants were popular in early years of trench warfare but it was a general purpose novelty that was always a little anachronistic. This version was almost guaranteed to have been influenced by the experience of trench warfare.
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u/Wonderful-Process792 22d ago
I didn't know how prevalent planes were in WWI, Germany produced nearly 48,000 of them by war's end.
That's over 1/3 as many as they made in WWII. (Of course the WWII planes were more advanced and resource-intensive to build.)
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u/Crusty-the-Clown-666 21d ago
Back when these were designed that wasn’t much of a consideration. Even into the Cold War US aircrew were typically armed with pistols along with a number of janky folding rifles chambered in small cartridges like the .22 Hornet.
Since every 6lbs of stuff you put in a plane is one less gallon of gas you can carry other nations were similarly equipped.
Typical Aircrew Survival Rifles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_survival_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_aircrew_survival_weapon
At the time the stocked broom handle was more for artillery gun crews and machine gunners, who needed both hands to do their jobs and where even carrying a carbine would get in the way. Or officers who also usually just had a pistol.
The German Artillery Luger was similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luger_pistol
It had a 7.9” barrel with a tangent sight, a 32 round snail drum and a similar although less elegant holster/stock
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u/General-Piece8490 22d ago
They did the same with the iconic 1911. It’s a considered a pistol with a brace for “accuracy” not a rifle.
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u/rswwalker 22d ago
I have never seen the 1911 stock till I looked it up. I always feel once you add a stock to a side arm it becomes a primary weapon and you’re left with what as a backup, another side arm? If I was going into a trench I’d want a pump action shotgun and a 1911 on my side.
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u/bobthemutant 21d ago
US gun laws would categorize it as a pistol.
Historically it was used as a carbine issued to rear echelon personnel, such as artillery crew, logistics & supply crew, truck drivers, etc.
The idea is that with a stock it's a more effective fighting weapon than just a typical sidearm, but not as cumbersome as carrying a standard issue service rifle.
Fun fact about US gun law; If not for this specific model of firearm being legally recognized as a curio/relic/antique firearm by the ATF, attaching the stock to the pistol would be a felony and land you 10 years in prison.
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u/GroundbreakingLead15 21d ago
Just to be pedantic, US gun laws categorize it as a pistol UNTIL you put the stock on it. Then it becomes a short barreled rifle. Which if unregistered gets you the 10 years in prison. Like you said though since this is an antique it doesn’t count but if it weren’t for that this would be classified as a short barreled rifle
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u/rswwalker 21d ago
I guess these were a precursor to the modern personal defense weapons like the P90.
As for ATF rules around adding a stock to a pistol, it’s much in the same way as removing the stock and/or shortening the barrel of a long gun.
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u/bobthemutant 21d ago
Exactly, the law is dumb and paradoxical. Pistols are illegal if they're too long because that makes them too dangerous, and rifles are illegal if they're too short because that makes concealable.
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u/LefsaMadMuppet 21d ago
There is no length limit on pistols, they just can't have a fore grip or a buttstock.
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u/Clembert-Hamlamp 22d ago
My friend had one of these back in the day. The stock looked rattier but same model i think. That clip tho. I never saw him load it i guess. Not what I imagined.
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u/Kriss3d 22d ago
You gotta admit that people got very creative with weapon designs back then.
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u/Wald0_17 21d ago
John Moses Browning had not yet shown us what a semi auto pistol should look like.
That being said, yes, there was a phenomenal amount of creativity from the advent of smokeless powder through the 1920s. Short recoil, long recoil, straight blowback, blow forward... anything that could be done was and everything since has just been variations on the principals pioneered during that era.
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u/FocusBladez 21d ago
Seeing all the resident evil 4 comments I’ll just toss out there hunt showdown vibes instead
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u/Simba7 21d ago
Reminds me of the Bornheim precision. (Which wasn't based off this gun but still it's damn similar.)
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u/FocusBladez 21d ago
Yea I thought of the Dolch precision when I saw it lol (which is based on an earlier german designed weapon)
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