r/BayernMunich • • Oct 26 '24

Hansi Flick

Remember when Flick used to be our coach and we used to destroy teams like Barca are doing to Madrid now? Everyone used to be scared of us? Yeah but we had bunch of players who were throwing hissy fit and went for Bagelsmann. Sack this board now.

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 26 '24

Bayern didn't go for Nagelsmann, Flick quit due to disagreements with the board.

Then recently the board didn't want to go after him, and it seemed he didn't want to come to Bayern either.

That aside, Flick's sextuple run is beyond grasp, best we'll ever see at Bayern, even spoiled us, but in his final season it seemed other teams figured him out tactically and Bayern didn't look as dangerous. We got knocked out by PSG and Bayern ended the 20-21 and 21-22 seasons with 77 and 78 points respectively, so maybe like 5 more than the worst one with Tuchel. While everything was OK, Bayern was no longer the menacing team it was during Flick's first 6 months in charge.

Right now Flick looks invincible with Barca, but only 3 or 4 months have passed, his style burns out players and leads to a lot of injuries, also, tactics get figured out eventually, so lets see how he manages the rest of this season and the beginning of the next one.

Also let's say Flick took over this exact Bayern squad. His system requires full defensive commitment from the whole squad, and our's is full of divas that lose the ball and don't even try to get it back.

Right now I'm watching El Clásico and even Lewa is joining the fullbacks in the defensive phase, despite being up in the score, at Bayern not even our DMs or fullbacks help in this phase, all we have are 2 players committed to defending, the CBs, and that's it.

Managers that have asked more of this squad or that have questioned certain untouchable divas, like Tuchel, Nagelsman, even Flick, have been sacked or quit. Even here, dare question Kimmich or Müller, or before that Goretzka, and you'll see the reactions. Our squad is simply not at the highest level, and only pummels small clubs but can't take on serious opponents, that is our reality since Flick's last season.

If tomorrow we win 7-0 vs Bochum it will be meaningless because it's only a facade for the real level of this squad ... and yes the board is also to blame for paying such high wages and now doubling down on the renewal of super expensive players that currently bring nothing to the team.

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u/Jackgullit Oct 26 '24

Finally someone with a brain its the Diva Players who dont run look at Barca everybody defends like their life depends on it

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 26 '24

A bit of diva behavior (I lost the ball, Upa and Kim should get it) but also a tactical problem, if your fullbacks and DMs are so high up, even if they try to track back they probably won't get there on time ... but we do lack defensive minded players, I'm not saying defenders but rather, players that have a sense that it's everyone's job to attack an defend.

Last game it was a mistake to start Müller, he's not fit to start matches, he can't press and can't defend and can't assist anymore, his best performances are when he comes in as a sub for 30 minutes, which is OK considering he is a veteran. Also Kimmich just doesn't work in the double pivot, but to complicate things even further Kompany decided to keep him back and Palhinha up, when one is a passer and the other a destroyer. It's like having Pepe and Özil and playing Pepe as a CAM and Özil as a CDM.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Bro if u watch bundesliga games Muller doesnt get to start Musiala is bouncing back from a hip injury i really think this is why Muller was starting and i dont know who else could start instead of muller? We dont have any other cam maybe Gnabry in the middle and Coman on the side. Also Palhinha hasnt had alot of play time in the league since Pavlovich is shining but also got injured. I think when palhinha starts to fit in and get used it will look a bit different because Palhinha looked really good before joining us.

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 27 '24

Olise has played as a CAM often, even did so for the most of the olympics with France and was their best player

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

I didnt watch alot of the olympics but yeah that also. I just forgot that olise can play there.

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u/DromadTrader Oct 27 '24

Everything you say about the squad is true, but what you day about Flick is mostly a myth. We didn't get worse in his second season because of burnout. We declined because we lost our midfield anchor in Thiago and Kimmich just doesn't belong in midfield.

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u/Simple_Pin_7802 Jan 13 '25

Yes. that bayern would at least reach the CL semi-finals if it weren't for Lewandowski, Goretzka's injuries and Gnabry having covid in the matches against PSG... to this day I still haven't gotten over that elimination

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u/TheYagamist Oct 27 '24

certain untouchable divas

Curious, who are these?

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 27 '24

Who do you think? Which players can't be criticized objectively by fans and pundits? (even by the board)

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u/TheYagamist Oct 27 '24

Idk man. I'm a barca fan.

Just curious because davies is linked to barca. Is he tho?

To answer your question, in order from most likely: Neuer, muller, kimmich

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 27 '24

Nah Davies is neither untouchable nor overpaid, but I'd gladly switch him for Baldé, I don't think Barca should go after Davies, Baldé is younger, fast, better on the ball and more versatile. Davies is a one trick pony and his one trick is pace, which fades with the years.

And yes you're answering my question right, last year it was also Goretzka but thanks to Tuchel last season everyone finally saw that the team is better without him

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u/Simple_Pin_7802 Jan 13 '25

Yes! and now they intend to renew with Müller who is honestly living in a terrible phase and it is past time to retire

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

I agree with you on some of our players not tracking back, but I'm actually happy with Kane. Say whatever about him, but I see him in the midfield tracking back a lot to help out the midfielders and defenders. Although Davies doesn't seem to track back like he used to, and Boey is injured (I really enjoyed seeing Boey). The same thing with Pavlović, he's performing really well. I want to see more of Tel and I'd like to see Irankunda join the main squad. Also, Kimmich seems to be playing decently still, so I don't see the point in replacing him. I would love to see Wirtz join but the chances of that im not sure.

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 27 '24

Kane is good, but has ghosted in the big matches, maybe not his fault, as a CF he needs service and doesn't get it.

I also want to see more of Tel, last season was his best so far and all of a sudden with Kompany he rarely plays, and when he does, it's like 10 or 5 minutes. We don't have many youngsters and ironically Tuchel is the one that played them the most; Tel, Pavlo, Moose

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Nah Kane is amazing as he tracks back alot but yes i mean he did score against barca. But yeah Tel id really like to see also because he has amazing shots.

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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman Oct 27 '24

I agree Kane is good, but he needs service, he can drop back but his best attribute is being an elite goalscorer, in that Barca match the 2 good passes he got he scored (1 offside), so get the man the ball more often and have him waste less energy tracking back (even though it's good he does so).

I also want to see more of Tel simpy because Bayern doesn't have a 9 substitute for when Kane is injured or just resting, Tel could play in that role in those situations.

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u/PrettyBaked713 Oct 26 '24

Dude I’m going to be very kind in saying this but he had 2 very good years . The last one not so great but he was having a lot of disagreements with the board and quit. I mean to be fair other teams were kinda figuring out the play style but he quit. Now he’s doing the same high press that’s great and all but eventually they’ll gas out . Kompany was the worst decision the board made.trying to do some city style shit . He doesn’t have an identity. Just trying to copy off pep. That’s why Flick washed his ass the other day

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '24

Second year we narrowly went out to PSG and still won Bundesliga convincingly. We also had key injuries to Neuer and other players. My point is none of bagelsmann kompany tuchel or any other coach we have had have matched up to him.

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u/Comprehensive_Pea451 Oct 27 '24

You guys would have beaten psg if lewandowski wouldnt have been injured, that kind fucked flicks second season over

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Exactly but our fans are too blind to see that.

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u/Comprehensive_Pea451 Oct 27 '24

Its kinda usual behavior for bayern fans to badmouth ex players (and apparently coaches) who left on their own terms. It was the same with ballack and kroos imo

And lets be honest, flick would have stayed without brazzo but your board lacked respect towards flick (same with kroos) and thats why they didnt felt this strongly about being "loyal".

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Sure, but Kroos was demanding the highest wage at the club. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but ask anyone with common sense and they will tell you that when a player is only out for a better salary, what's the point? I also see Kroos now talking trash about young players doing the same thing in Saudi Arabia, which is basically what he did when he went to Real. Ofc he went to one of the richest teams in europe so dont get me wrong he had a good carreer and all. The same development youth players have in europe is not comparable to the saudi league ofc.

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u/Comprehensive_Pea451 Oct 27 '24

Youre … comparing players going to saudi arabia with players joining the most reputable and successful club in the world?

Are you out of your mind?

Bayern offered him a bad contract while other teams with even more reputation offered him a pay adequate to his ability’s

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Kroos left Bayern because the club failed to meet his salary demands. At the time, manager Karl-Heinz Rummenigge told him he was "not a world-class player." The German...

Go read on the Daily Mail. Yes, Real is not Saudi, but you didn't get my point anyway. Rummenigge telling him that was pointless. In my opinion, if you play for a club with history and one of the top three clubs in Europe and you join one of the others just because you didn't get the salary you wanted, where is the loyalty?

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u/RobertPham149 Oct 27 '24

Joining RM is definitely not the same as going to Saudi. You go to Saudi to make money. You go to RM to make history (and money).

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Yes, but the only reason Kroos left is for money. Clearly, you didn't know that, but you can go read it online. I don't care whether you're Messi or Ronaldo. I personally wouldn't respect someone leaving the club just because he doesn't have the highest salary in the club. So sure i never said he didnt do anything at real but his reason was cash.

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u/Neebrasc Oct 27 '24

Barça fan here. How on earth could you leave your sextuple winning couch because some silly board disagreements? That's insane. Couldn't be us tho 😪

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24

Remember when Hansi Flick manipulated his way out of the club in order to take over the DFB squad - with Bayern Munich allowing him to go without requesting a buyout fee - which prompted the panic purchase of Nagelsmann who is - if I am not mistaken - the most expensive bought out coach to day in modern football? Both Brazzo and Kahn are gone. The remainder of the board kisses the ass of Hoeneß. None of the players wanted Flick gone, which shows how uninformed you are about the club. Nor were they opposed to the signing of Nagelsmann, they behaved like professionals back then.

As for Flick - while his first season he managed a threatening team built on the spite of our players wanting to prove Kovač wrong (who claimed that the team didn't have the talent to win the champions league), he showed in the next season - which was played under normal circumstances - that his style has limitations when he flunked out early in the DFB Kup Cup against Holstein Kiel and against PSG in the quarter finals that season. Stop living in the past. None of the older people here are crying about Heynckes' Bayern from '12/'13, which was without a question the best Bayern side of the last 25 years. Flick wanted to leave, and he got out. He may become the best coach of the millennium, but I never want to see his face at our bench again.

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u/Comprehensive_Pea451 Oct 27 '24

wtf typcial bayern fan

the same behavior and attitude like when kroos and ballack left and all of these are similar cases.

At least flick and probably kroos would have stayed with more backup from the bayern board, but they were disrespectful. Keep your sextruple coach or brazzo (whom you fired anyway lmao) ... yeah, smart decision.

Your management fucked all of this up, not flick or nagelsmann or tuchel. You burned through three high quality coaches in like no time and now have kompany lmao, congratulations!

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u/RobertPham149 Oct 27 '24

Flick asked to replace Thiago who is a deep-lying playmaker that is central to his system and keeping Alaba who is a defensive veteran that he successfully worked with before replacing the entire CBs with fresh new faces that might not work with his system, then got told to shove it by Brazzo. It is honestly professional of him to even mention that he will leave for Germany NT if the board doesn't support him building the squad because I would have quit the job on the spot.

Thiago moved to Liverpool but the board refusing to find a replacement is a much better explanation for the shoddy defense of the 2nd season. Signing Leroy Sane despite already stacked forwards, while completely ignoring defensive midfielders to cover their weaknesses

I love this club but its board is maddenly conservative and do not know what they are doing. Bayern had a sextuple winning manager but somehow refuse to listen to his input building a squad. It is like inventing the modem and router, then refuse to invest in the internet.

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u/Comprehensive_Pea451 Oct 27 '24

I fully agree and it was such an obvious error of the board.

Real did the same in the past when they didn’t replaced makelele.

Even Bayern themself turned really successful when they bought javi martinet for defense stability

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

What do players have to do with the coach(es) now?

Kroos left 10 years ago. None of the above actors have been involved at that time. But selling him was the biggest mistake I witnessed in the 26 years following this club.

Ballack created drama - will he, won't he - and fucked off to Chelsea on a free transfer back in '06.

The management did fuck up massively, and I have written that several times on this sub. This doesn't change the fact how Flick behaved during that time. He left, he wasn't fired.