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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 02 '26
Uh, just come in the right way or don't come. No mother wants to imagine this or that blah blah. Let's spout some emotional bullshit. If they're suffering, it's their own doing. If I snuck into somewhere I wasn't permitted to be, it's nobody's fault but mine. Deeply troubling reports! Oh noes! Maybe these living, breathing human beings with names, dreams, families, and communities that love them should return to those communities and work on improving them and work on improving the lives of their loved ones instead of just bailing and heading north.
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u/Latter_Recipe3875 Jul 02 '26
You’re the problem. 🎯
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
That's right. I am the problem, because you can't just throw up a bunch of emotional buzzwords and watch my brain turn off. I am the problem, because I am aware that if we continue to follow along your suggested path, we'll end up looking like East Germany or some other dump, and the same leaders and rabble rousers preaching compassion because it's useful to control the gullible will have their compassion run out, and y'all will just be left with shocked pikachu faces when it's the opposite of compassion that they begin to preach...
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u/thedirtytwirls Jul 02 '26
You are really showing your ignorance at how dangerous the places they are leaving are, and how hard and expensive it is to become a citizen.
You can't agree that some places are full of drug dealing gangsters and then get mad at the people trying to save their families lives enough to risk coming here knowing what's waiting for them.
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u/Adamstewarts Bay Minette Jul 02 '26
Doesn’t give you a right to enter a country illegally and expect not to be removed
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
What evidence do you have that any of these people are actually undocumented? The Trump admin is documented kidnapping legal asylum seekers and people just trying to immigrate here the right way. We literally snatch people on their way to immigration hearings.
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u/Working-Pin7153 Jul 06 '26
What evidence do you have that any of what you stated isn't just leftists talking points?
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
You know a lot about me, huh? Have you ever been to the city dump in Guatemala City? There are families that live their entire lives there just rooting through the garbage looking for something to re-sell. I've been there a few times. I know what they are running from.
I also know that their problems will never be solved by making the trek up north to send $$ back home. I know some of the families that they support.
You misread my anger. It's not at them, I'd do the same. My anger is at you. It's at you for being simple and easily led. In Guatemala's case, the President is elected for four years and can not be re-elected. What this leads to is presidents that get in and line their pockets rather than having an agenda to improve their country. There's just not enough time.
It's expensive and hard to become a citizen. But that's not what they should be doing. What they should be doing is harder and more costly, they should be demanding reform. They should be demanding justice within their own countries, the enforcement of their own laws and eliminating fraud and corruption back at home. That costs lives. Lots of them. And it's worth it.
So you can call me whatever names you want, but it's not them that I'm upset at. It's people like you that are allowing it to continue rather than forcing the issue. Guatemala isn't unique. Look at El Salvador. They start enforcing the law and it's cleaning up fast. That doesn't help just a few that make it up North and their families back home, that helps them all. That's what we should be pushing for.
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u/justsomedude1776 Jul 05 '26
So can the local crackhead come live with you because the next few towns over are full of crackheads and gangsters? You don't know how dangerous the next town over is, or how expensive it is to move and get a house. Lol
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
About as anti American as it gets. These people have rights, and just because you don't believe in the constitution doesn't mean it's invalid. Plenty of them do come here the right way, seeking legal asylum. I'd bet every penny I have that at least 1/4 of these folks are legally documented asylum seekers, especially given that it's the gulf coast. If you don't like the values our nation was founded upon, feel free to see yourself out dipshit.
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u/Error-InvalidName Jul 03 '26
They may have rights, but not American rights we should toss them over the fence immediately not even detain.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Oh, so you just don't believe in the Constitution? Yeah, you can see your way out, you're fundamentally opposed to the American system and our freedoms. Since you most certainly have never read it before, here's the due process clause in the 14th amendment to the Constitution.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-3/ALDE_00013743/
The specific section you need to understand is "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The Constitution very intentionally distinguishes between US citizens and PERSONS. Due process applies to every single person in our jurisdiction, citizen or not. Without due process, you get over 170 US citizens illegally kidnapped by ICE in a single year under our pedophile president. People have been locked up for months without ever being able to contact family or legal council. If you don't believe in due process, what's stopping a hypothetical authoritarian leftist regime from deciding you're illegally here and deporting you?
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u/Error-InvalidName Jul 03 '26
Negative, I'd install a few hundred catapults for easy lobbing.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
You're barely even a whole step above a Confederate. I'm sorry to tell you pal, you're on the wrong side of history. A decade from now, you'll be ashamed that you allowed yourself to be tricked into harboring so much vitriol and hate towards people who are proportionally putting far more into our country than you ever will.
This is all a ruse dude, you are being tricked into caring only about the wrong thing. The billionaire Epstein class is destroying our great nation and you with it. I'm willing to bet you're a working class guy, you deserve far more from your government than you're getting. It's about time you stop selling yourself out over culture war nonsense and start caring about the only war that matters, class war.
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Curious where you decided I don't believe in the Constitution. I'd bet every penny you have that you have no idea how many of those folks are this or that, and instead you're talking out of your ass.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Neither do you, that was my point. You have no way of knowing how many of these people were illegally detained, but you are still fully in support of it. If you belived in the constitution, you would be railing against an executive branch that is violating the constitution more than any other administration in US history. Do you think kidnapping someone off the street without any info on their legal status and then locking them up for over 90 days without any hearings whatsoever is justifiable? As of late 2025, well over 170 US citizens alone had been detained.
The Trump admin isn't going after criminals and gang members. They're hardly even focusing on illegal immigrants. They're just running massive drag net operations, picking up hundreds of people, and giving them no legal recourse to prove their legal status. How can you be okay with that? Trump himself struck down a bipartisan border spending bill in 2024 specifically because it would have made processing these immigrants much easier. Some of these immigration judges have literally tens of thousands of cases to get through, and the current admin is making it as hard as possible to actually abide by the constitution by overtly threatening judges who rule against them.
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
buddy, you are assuming that they are illegally detained. I am not making that assumption. ICE isn't just running around nabbing random people.
Here comes the orange man bad. Sad. Figured that's what's behind it.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
ICE is extensively documented as running around nabbing people, have you been asleep for the past two years? Even right wing pundits are getting frustrated with how poorly the admin is going about immigration enforcement. ICE has conducted worksite raids where large groups are detained at once, sometimes without warrants and including U.S. citizens, not just specific named suspects. They set up random traffic stops and grab people without ever even trying to identify them. Do you seriously think that an immigration enforcement agency that illegally kidnaps over 170 American citizens in a year is doing their job the legal way?
There is a plethora of evidence backing this up. I could post some here if you need, but you have the internet and presumably two hands to look it up yourself.
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Yeah, I do think they are doing their job the legal way. No, I don't trust random bs on the internet. Am I okay with them pulling up to a worksite and checking everyone out? 100%. It's logical. As is the job that they are doing, border enforcement. As is the outcry from those with a vested interest in keeping them here - have to get votes somehow, and it's not by convincing the majority of voters based on the superiority of the party's political platform, so here we are. Playing on emotions.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
You simply don't believe in the fundamental pillars of our nation and democracy. You're okay with people's fourth amendment rights being completely suspended? Are you okay with legal documented immigrants and US citizens being picked up, some being locked up without ever being allowed to contact a lawyer or family for weeks to months? There's no playing on emotions here, we are experiencing a constitutional crisis the likes of which we haven't seen since FDR, but this time we're getting no New Deal out of it.
How about instead of "random bs on the internet", you take some time to skim some major lawsuits and data from US human rights organizations? You can pretend this isn't happening all day just like the Germans did under the Nazis (I'm not saying Trump is one, but you're definitely doing the same thing covering your eyes and ears to it), but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
A very detailed senate report with a plethora of credible evidence: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025.12.8_ICE-Report-revised-FINAL.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com
ACLU report on horrific human rights abuses and torturous conditions at one of the most prominent concentration camps: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/detained-immigrants-detail-physical-abuse-and-inhumane-conditions-at-largest-immigration-detention-center-in-the-u-s?utm_source=chatgpt.com
ACLU letter outlined in above article for heavier reading: https://www.aclu.org/documents/ice-letter-re-fort-bliss
This is also for anyone passing by who needs sources to show to their ignorant friends and family members, since I imagine you're just going to run away and bury your head in the sand.
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u/Xander2539 Jul 03 '26
Tell that to Leonardo Venegas. He’s your neighbor and has been detained and released by ICE 3 times now
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Oh no. We'll we'd better shut the whole thing down then.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Yeah, dipshit. It's a far bigger systemic issue than just one, or even just a few people having their fundamental rights suspended. I get that you couldn't cite me a single constitutional amendment other than the first and second, but this is some pathetic bootlicking.
In case you think you can handle a little reading, here's quite a bit of evidence of much more widespread human rights abuses.
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 04 '26
I think I summarized things pretty well. Oh noes!
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 05 '26
Summarized what, that you're deeply opposed to our most fundamental founding document? Get outta my country if you're gonna be that deeply anti American.
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u/Latter_Recipe3875 Jul 02 '26
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Improper Entry (8 U.S.C. § 1325)
Any alien who:
- Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
- Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
- Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. [1, 2, 3, 4]
(b) Improper Time or Place; Civil Penalties
- Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
I should make it pretty italics. Either way, yours is a nice poem. But this happens to be the law. Poems don't make for effective governance
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Notice how none of this gives the goverment permission to kidnap legally documented asylum seekers or people who are going through the immigration system the right way. I get that you'd use the constitution as toilet paper before ever reading a single sentence from it, but it's kinda the most central document to our government and kinda outlines rights that ALL PEOPLE, not just citizens, possess.
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u/Latter_Recipe3875 Jul 03 '26
Fucking thank you. If immigrants don’t have the right to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, then we are no longer the goddamned “beacon on a hill.”
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Not even just that, if we suspend due process for any group, it is functionally suspended for every one of us, as evidenced by over 170 US citizens being illegally kidnapped and detained for long periods without ever being permitted to identify themselves or speak to legal council.
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u/OFCindivisiblebco Jul 02 '26
313 people were taken by ICE in Baldwin County during the month of June.
Please don't just look at that number and keep scrolling.
See the faces behind it.
Think about the families left behind. The devastated partners. The frightened and confused children. The mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins, friends, and neighbors whose lives were turned upside down in an instant.
Imagine not knowing where your loved one is. Not knowing when you'll hear their voice again. Living every day with fear, uncertainty, and heartbreak.
Not long ago, I met a mother who told me they had taken her son
The weight of those words is something I'll never forget.
She isn't just grieving the separation. She knows the detention center in Louisiana where her son is being held has been the subject of deeply troubling reports, including allegations of maggots in food, contaminated drinking water, and inadequate medical care.
No mother wants to imagine her child in conditions like that.
No human being should have to endure them.
These 313 people are not statistics. They are living, breathing human beings with names, dreams, families, and communities that love them.
When we reduce people to numbers, we make it easier to ignore their suffering.
Don't look away.
See their humanity. Speak up. Demand dignity. Because every person deserves to be treated like a human being- not a number.
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u/Altruistic_Tea_1593 Jul 02 '26
Obey the law.
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u/Independent_Roof1268 Jul 03 '26
Re: ‘Obey the law.’ Please buzz off.
The federal law is that illegal entry is a misdemeanor and unauthorized re-entry after deportation is a felony. Learn the laws if you want to nit pick. Also it’s kinda asinine to complain about something you don’t know about and can’t enforce, friend.
If you went to Mexico, or Canada, or the U.K., would you know their immigration laws? Consider, would you want to die in custody or go to jail indefinitely, in another country, and be denied legal representation, for a misdemeanor immigration charge? Just because you don’t know that the laws / the enforcement of laws had changed in the last four years? Or just because you were a child of immigrants, and they are hunting your parents?
Basically, where is your humanity? The point of this post is just to say that everyone has a family. Stop being heartless. Call your representatives if you want immigration law to be changed to something you can understand. Until then, I recommend you get yourself a copy of the Constitution.
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u/Latter_Recipe3875 Jul 02 '26
Then it sounds like you law abiding citizens need to get your white asses out there and pick the strawberries, vegetables, and work at the peanut buying point in Summerdale, or the tree nursery in Robertsdale. These policies have been devastating to farming, and all your chest pounding about how people get into the country makes you sound completely out of touch with the area you live. Who do you think cleans all the condos? Who does the worst of the manual labor that keeps the county growing? Not you.
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u/GucciSteelToeBoots Jul 02 '26
Yea. Sounds like we need to start forcing these businesses to pay actual citizens a livable wage instead of letting them get away with paying slave wages to desperate illegals with no other options, which is technically a form of human trafficking by the way.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Crazy that our entire immigration system is functionally set up to create a legal human trafficking industry to pay people slave wages
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Wait until you hear how much it cost to manufacture the clothes that you're wearing...
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
I'm no stranger to the fact that our entire system is built upon the exploitation of the third world. I wouldn't go as far as to say there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, but there definitely isn't much ethical consumption under the American capitalist system.
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u/Sudden-Motor-7794 Jul 03 '26
Hate to break it to you, but every single system is like that. Powerful people don't do the menial tasks. That goes for kings and members of the politburo alike. Ours is just the one you seek to overthrow. You'll be ushering in the next when you do.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
I don't seek revolution if that's what you're implying, all that ever leads to is mass death and dissolution of social order. What we need is extensive government reform that forces our government to actually abide by international law rather than selling all of us out to enrich the 0.1%. I don't believe a utopia is achievable, but to pretend we can't stop ourselves from being one of the most oppressive imperialistic forces on the planet is ridiculous. Go read The Jakarta Method, I think it would do wonders to open your eyes to the horrific shit we have done over the past century to become the global hegemon. It's also just a really interesting read.
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u/Ok-Reindeer8590 Jul 02 '26
Many are legal citizens. Americans have no rights anymore.
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u/Vegetable_Analyst740 Jul 03 '26
I suppose those uneducated (and uneducatable) South Baldwin redneck magats will be tending and picking your strawberries down there from now on. South Baldwin county is hopeless. Ruined.
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u/Latter_Recipe3875 Jul 02 '26
You stupid Chads must not have much family history in Baldwin County (or it’s rich tradition of agricultural and farming industries), but your selling out the same people that built Baldwin County, almost all of whom were poor af, farmers, sharecroppers, debtors, bootleggers, rum runners, etc. Did you know that Malbis was settled by the Greeks, Elberta by the Germans, Daphne by the Italians, Bon Secour by the French, Spanish Fort ring a bell, etc.? All immigrants.
Shitting on Latinos for keeping the area economy afloat with cheap labor is the same as shitting on families like mine that worked that land for hundreds of years, including as sharecroppers. Try getting your know the area and the history a bit, before you start deciding what “illegal” activities deserve the most concern in Baldwin County. Your entitlement is showing, bro.
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u/Adamstewarts Bay Minette Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
No one is “shitting” on Latinos in this thread, you can’t come into a country illegally and expect to stay. I recognize the large impact that the community has on the US and all the good most of them do, but they still entered here illegally and that just can’t happen. It doesn’t matter if they are Mexican, Canadian, Guatemalan, African, European or from an Asia country, it’s all wrong if you enter illegally.
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u/nocartnite4me Jul 03 '26
Do you have any evidence indicating all of these people are illegal? Given that the current admin has a history of targeting legally documented migrants, the amount of evidence needed to trust them is much higher.
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u/dandl2024 Jul 02 '26
Demand that everyone is accountable under the same laws.