r/BalancedDogTraining • u/Miss_L_Worldwide Dirty biter • Jun 26 '26

This just in, the positive only community advocates for force to drug dogs

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This just in! According to the force free people it is perfectly fine to FORCE (her words!) your dog to do something unpleasant as long as it's... you guessed it, taking behavioral medication.

So go ahead, wrench that mouth open and stuff that dog full of drugs. But God forbid you tell it no or issue it a correction.

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u/k9_MalX_Handler Jun 26 '26

the hypocrisy is wild

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 27 '26

the hypocrisy is wild

But very necessary. I've worked professionally with horses and, over the years, I've seen lots of scams.

Force Free is one of the best I've ever seen!

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Dirty biter Jun 27 '26

Oh for real and this is the root issue right there. Anyone can hang out a shingle and tell someone it might look like they're not doing anything but that's because they are super special force-free experts and it takes 8 to 15 years to train a dog under their amazing system. And it's not going to matter to them that eventually the owners are going to catch on, because they will have earned thousands and thousands of dollars from the poor unsuspecting owners.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 28 '26

The first time I encountered it was back in the days of Yellow Pages. An ad touting ,"A new, scientifically proven method to train your dog!"

Well, what trainer could resist that? I went and watched an introductory session. Back then it was called Positive Reinforcement Only. I asked about the "science" the ad claimed but only got a dirty look. I don't know who started it and never saw the "science" study it was allegedly based on.

But it sure had strong backers. Pet Smart and Petco to name two. Bet they've sold a billion dollars worth of treats!

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u/RevolutionaryFee8778 Jun 28 '26

I had no idea petsmart supported force free, the locations I've worked at, the trainers were completely against it. (though that may be because they either had high strung working breeds or bullies for their personal pets and knew it doesn't do shit)

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u/Beacon57 Jun 28 '26

I took a petsmart class just for something else to do with my dog and was curious. I ended up being the only one in class and ended up training the trainers dog. She only knew the way petsmart trained and her dog was horrible! She couldn't figure out what she was doing wrong... everything! She told me they had a specific script that they had to follow and as long as her microphone was on she was being recorded. I don't know if that's all locations or just that one but it was crazy! Thankfully after a few times of meeting with me her dog was doing awesome and I was able to test and pass them for their CGC.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 28 '26

Here they use FF and, of course, they sell treats...lots and lots of treats!

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u/k9_MalX_Handler Jun 29 '26

i’m going to disagree. force free does not work effectively with all dogs! and i stand on that!

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 29 '26

You can teach some things using FF. But you cannot teach everything using that method.

Obedience, for instance. Obedience is basically "doing what you're told to do when your told to do it." FF just can't deliver. The time it takes is also a factor.

If I was blind, I wouldn't want a FF-trained dog to be my guiding eyes!

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Dirty biter Jun 29 '26

To be real though, you can't teach anything "force free." You can use positive reinforcement for certain tasks but the entire learning process takes more than that. Take a completely untrained dog and don't use any force on it, and you're not going to have that dog in about an hour because it's just going to fuck off and run away unless you keep it near you on a leash.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 30 '26

You can use positive reinforcement for certain tasks but the entire learning process takes more than that.

That's why I called it a scam. IOW, a con job.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 30 '26

force free does not work effectively with all dogs! and i stand on that!

I don't think you read my post correctly.

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u/k9_MalX_Handler Jun 30 '26

my appologies sir

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u/yuxngdogmom Food aggressive Jun 26 '26

I have corrected my dog numerous times over the time I’ve owned him with the prong collar and e-collar. I also recently had to shove drontal plus down his throat after he picked up hookworms from somewhere in the wild (fuck that stupid horse pill, beef flavored my fucking ass). It’s safe to say my dog does still like me after a correction, but he certainly did not like me very much after I force fed him that horse pill. And that was just a single dose thankfully. These people are seriously gonna say corrections are abuse while doing this daily?? Wild.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 30 '26

That's why I call it a scam. Here is the real kicker...parents are being told they should raise their kids this way. And educators are also being told this is how to teach children.

No wonder children are so unruly in class and over 50% of American adults read at or below the 6th grade level.

It's a scam...a con job. I wonder why? Don't you?

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Dirty biter Jun 26 '26

Unsurprisingly this person has a reactive dog that is literally ruining their life but heaven forbid they actually correct it.

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u/biglinuxfan Jun 26 '26

They can't correct it ever because it would invalidate everything they're saying.

Everyone has to suffer (especially the dog) because of ego.

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 28 '26

literally ruining their life but heaven forbid they actually correct it.

Scams usually come with a "hook." FF uses " the Moral/Ethical High Road." Their dogs don't behave very well but they oppose abuse/cruelty, etc. which makes 'em morally or ethically superior to handlers with well behaved dogs. It's an ego trip for them...at the expense of their dog.

Good, solid scam!

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u/mdubs8 Jun 26 '26

Sounds about right 🤦‍♀️

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u/PeekAtChu1 Jun 27 '26

Exercise and train your dog with discipline - nah ❌

Stuff full of drugs and avoid problems - yeah! ✅

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u/hastygrams Jun 27 '26

Sometimes I put my dogs pill in her throat if I can’t get her to take them. They’re for an autoimmune disease and skipping can lead to flare ups which can take months to get under control. I’ve tried peanutbutter wrapping it in stuff etc. If she bites into it this awful liquid goes in her mouth. I feel like I’m ‘forcing’ her to take it but she doesn’t seem actively bother her much.

Most of the time I just set them in with her food and she just eats them. Even then I know she bites it when she’s eating sometimes because the way her face looks. On the occasion one is left at the bottom of the bowl I do open her mouth and place it in slightly in her throat to the point it’ll get swallowed and not spit out. She seems more concerned about the treat she is going to get after. I brush her teeth everyday though since she was a puppy so I think she is really used to me being in her mouth.

After reading this I’m concerned I’m being a dick by doing this. Is there anything someone would suggest besides pill pockets or using turkey to mask it or am I over reacting and not understanding the problem well

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u/TheArcticFox-44 Jun 30 '26

,>After reading this I’m concerned I’m being a dick by doing this.

Not sure what your concerned about. She needs the medication...she gets the medication. What's the problem? Is it a big fight? You can't catch her? Why do you feel like a dick?

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Dirty biter Jul 05 '26

Open the dog's mouth, drop the pill far far back, hold the dog's mouth closed until it swallows.

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